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[shia4life669]

just wandering why did he name his son after that cursed evil man.

[zakzaki]

shia4life669, on 29 February 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

just wandering why did he name his son after that cursed evil man.

Was there no one named Uthman besides the cursed evil man?

[Your-Best-Friend]

You will get all your answers here.....
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[Abo_Al7ur]

shia4life669, on 29 February 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

just wandering why did he name his son after that cursed evil man.

Ask yourself also: Why Abu Bakr, Umar & Uthman didn't name their sons Ali???

[Ameen]

shia4life669, on 29 February 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

just wandering why did he name his son after that cursed evil man.

He didn't name his son after the third Khalif infact he named him after his relative [cousin]. He wasn't the only Usman, there were others with the same name.

[Haydar Husayn]

He had a son called `Umar as well, and one called Muhammad who had the kunya Abu Bakr. You may also be interested in knowing that Imam Musa al-Kadhim and Imam `Ali al-Hadi each had a daughter named `A'isha. They are just names.

Edited by Haydar Husayn, 01 March 2012 - 05:29 PM.

[Abo_Al7ur]

Haydar Husayn, on 01 March 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

He had a son called `Umar as well, and one called Muhammad who had the kunya Abu Bakr. You may also be interested in knowing that Imam Musa al-Kadhim and Imam `Ali al-Hadi each had a daughter named `A'isha. They are just names.

And I ask you the same quistion also: Why Abu Bakr, Umar & Uthman didn't name their sons Ali???

[Waiting for HIM]

because its not the name which is bad, its the character.

Abo_Al7ur, on 01 March 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

And I ask you the same quistion also: Why Abu Bakr, Umar & Uthman didn't name their sons Ali???

Now this is really realy interesting question. Yeah why there is no ALI among any of the famous Nasibi Khalifas and Kings?

Edited by Waiting for HIM, 01 March 2012 - 06:01 PM.

[Haydar Husayn]

Abo_Al7ur, on 01 March 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

And I ask you the same quistion also: Why Abu Bakr, Umar & Uthman didn't name their sons Ali???

Who cares?

[Abo_Al7ur]

Haydar Husayn, on 01 March 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Who cares?

But I see you care that imams(as) named their sons Otham and Aisha stuff?

Waiting for HIM, on 01 March 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

because its not the name which is bad, its the character.


Now this is really realy interesting question. Yeah why there is no ALI among any of the famous Nasibi Khalifas and Kings?

Really, if you ask every nasibi they be like

[Haydar Husayn]

Abo_Al7ur, on 01 March 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

But I see you care that imams(as) named their sons Otham and Aisha stuff?

It's an interesting curiosity, that's all. I don't attach any significance to it. I do think it should teach Shias to not be so judgemental about certain names though.

[Abo_Al7ur]

Haydar Husayn, on 01 March 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

It's an interesting curiosity, that's all. I don't attach any significance to it.

Good

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I do think it should teach Shias to not be so judgemental about certain names though.

You are wrong !
You should teach that to every sunni and not to shia because we don't care about these names.

[shia4life669]

Lol I guess those khalifahs could not name there son Ali because it would of reminded them how much of hypercrit They are. BTW Ali is a name of god

[Haydar Husayn]

shia4life669, on 01 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Lol I guess those khalifahs could not name there son Ali because it would of reminded them how much of hypercrit They are. BTW Ali is a name of god

Al `Ali is a name of a God, not `Ali. Nobody is allowed to have one of the names of Allah.

[shia4life669]

Haydar Husayn, on 01 March 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

Al `Ali is a name of a God, not `Ali. Nobody is allowed to have one of the names of Allah.

I know brother but i am just saying the name ali would remind the kahalifahs of the name al-ali which will make think back at god which will remind them about their own corruption.

[md. ammar ali]

imam ali named his sons' name uthman not by seeing 3rd khalifa but by seeing the meaning of the name and its usage and fame


itz just a coincidence that the 3rd khalifa's name is also uthman

Edited by varun loves ahlulbayt, 04 March 2012 - 06:11 AM.

[___NAZM___]

There ware many persons called by the name uthman. Uthman Bin Haneef was Imam Ali's friend and Imam put him the governor of Basra. And Talha Zubair and Ummul Momenin Ayesha after attacking captured Uthman bin Haneef and picked up his beared forcefully!! But then they left him out of fear that Governor of Madina Sohail bin Haneef might take revenge and attack their houses in Madia.
Imam Ali a.s was very upset with the behavior of Talha Zubair and Ummul Mominin Aysha. Uthman bin Haneef was very close to Amirul Mominin Ali a.s.

Edited by ___NAZM___, 07 March 2012 - 01:09 AM.

[ana_ma3a_al_haq]

Ali named his son after the dead I think of Uthman Ibn Madhun he was one of the first muslims and a shia. There is even an hadith who tells this. While Imam Ali never told in any hadith that he called his sons after the 2 khalifas.

Lets start now talking about Abu Bakr and Umar ..

Abu Bakr

1. Is an alias and not a real name
2. Abu Bakrs real name is Abdullah ibn Aboe Qahafa
3. In nahj al balagha Ali doesn't talk good about Abu Bakr even in bukhari he talks bad about him because of the fadak event.
4.Using a name doesn't mean automaticaly that you name your baby after the most popular person how got this name.
5.There were many known persons and sahaba with the nickname Abu Bakr .
6.Again there is no proof Ali Named His son after Abu Bakr let people bring any hadith.
7. When you are using the rules of Islam you have to do it like this :
7.1 Is it accepted by the quran ?
7.2 Is it accepted by hadith ?
7.3 Is it accepted by both or any proof ?
7.4 Is it accepted by logic ? Because the don't have any proof they have to go to point 7.4 This point is using logic of course and people will say now we believe in Islam that Ali loved the other khalifas and it's the most logic that he named his sons after those 3. You can say that Abu bakr was the grandson of Ilyas . And that even shias in the time of imam hussein and after the event of karabala were named Mawia and Yazid does that mean that we shias love Mawia and Yazid ? Or the persons named them love mawia and yazid ? of course not !

Umar

1. This one is pretty shocking I have to say but hold up and read this. We don't even believe that this happend to Ali but Umar was famous for changing babies names . He changed the baby names of the muslims.
2. In nahj al balaga Ali talks about them saying al sanamayn the 2 stateus and curses them.
3. There is even in the tafsir on nur al thaqalayn in surat al hujjarat a link set to a hadith from al kafi that
49:7حَبَّبَ إِلَيْكُمُ الْإِيمَانَ وَزَيَّنَهُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ وَكَرَّهَ إِلَيْكُمُ الْكُفْرَ وَالْفُسُوقَ وَالْعِصْيَانَ

but Allah has endeared to you the faith and has made it pleasing in your hearts and has made hateful to you disbelief, defiance and disobedience.

according to Al kafi the faith is Imaam Ali . The disbelief is Abu Bakr , the defiance Umar and the Disobedience Uthman.
Do you really think that Imaam Ali didn't know this ?

4.There are even more sahaba called Umar than al khattab himself again all the points that are used against at Abu Bakr can be used against Umar.
5. The point  Imaam Ali is making can only be geussed if you ask me . But the most logical point he is making that even if a person might be bad that doesn't make the name unusable.  I give you the advice to read again answering ansar how answered them perfectly .

[Abu Muslim]

ana_ma3a_al_haq, on 07 March 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

5.There were many known persons and sahaba with the nickname Abu Bakr .

I would be very pleased if you give me some examples Sahaba that were popularly known as Abu Bakr? Islamically or not we all know well that names are attributed to popular personalities. When one speaks of Abu Bakr its assumed that its talking about the well known companion Abu Bakr . I assume, Ali was aware of this fact when naming his children with such names. We all know shias don't name their children Umar, Abu Bakr or Uthman, because it reminds them of the "crimes they commited against ahlul bayt". Was Ali not reminded of the so called "crimes of Umar " when naming his son Umar?

Edited by Abu Muslim, 07 March 2012 - 03:46 PM.

[ana_ma3a_al_haq]

Abu Muslim, on 07 March 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

I would be very pleased if you give me some examples Sahaba that were popularly known as Abu Bakr? Islamically or not we all know well that names are attributed to popular personalities. When one speaks of Abu Bakr its assumed that its talking about the well known companion Abu Bakr . I assume, Ali was aware of this fact when naming his children with such names. We all know shias don't name their children Umar, Abu Bakr or Uthman, because it reminds them of the "crimes they commited against ahlul bayt". Was Ali not reminded of the so called "crimes of Umar " when naming his son Umar?

Follow the link :
http://www.answering...es/en/index.php


and my far nephews name is Umar . You are trying to use the logic rule again. The Muslims started with saying that Ali(as) named his sons after the khalifas so you should be showing your proof

"Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."2:111

Without a proof it's just talking which leads to nothing but ''opnions''.

[Abu Muslim]

ana_ma3a_al_haq, on 07 March 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

Follow the link :
http://www.answering...es/en/index.php


and my far nephews name is Umar . You are trying to use the logic rule again. The Muslims started with saying that Ali(as) named his sons after the khalifas so you should be showing your proof

"Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."2:111

Without a proof it's just talking which leads to nothing but ''opnions''.

In regards to that list of Abu Bakrs - How many of them had contact with Ali? How many of them were Muslims?  How many of them were companions? In what years did they live? Which ones contributed anything to Islam?.

You are using an exception (your far nephew) to negate a commonly established fact that the overwhelming majority of Shias do not name their sons after the name of the Rightly guided Khalifs. It doesn't work that way, sorry. If Shias living 1400 years after the events are reminded of the "crimes" of the Khalifs at the mere mention of the name Umar. Then, why weren't the Imams of the Twelvers reminded of the "crimes" of the Khalifs when naming their own children with those names? Ali wouldn't need to announce that he is naming his son after which Abu Bakr. Because, the name was synonymous with the unarguably most popular Abu Bakr of that time. If you see a Muslim with the name Muhammad, you would assume that he is named after the Prophet (SAW). Unless he confirms otherwise.

Edited by Abu Muslim, 07 March 2012 - 06:13 PM.

[shia4life669]

Abu Muslim, on 07 March 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

In regards to that list of Abu Bakrs - How many of them had contact with Ali? How many of them were Muslims?  How many of them were companions? In what years did they live? Which ones contributed anything to Islam?.

You are using an exception (your far nephew) to negate a commonly established fact that the overwhelming majority of Shias do not name their sons after the name of the Rightly guided Khalifs. It doesn't work that way, sorry. If Shias living 1400 years after the events are reminded of the "crimes" of the Khalifs at the mere mention of the name Umar. Then, why weren't the Imams of the Twelvers reminded of the "crimes" of the Khalifs when naming their own children with those names? Ali wouldn't need to announce that he is naming his son after which Abu Bakr. Because, the name was synonymous with the unarguably most popular Abu Bakr of that time. If you see a Muslim with the name Muhammad, you would assume that he is named after the Prophet (SAW). Unless he confirms otherwise.

In Ahl'ul Sunnah's authority work Al Isaba Volume four "Dhikr 'Abu Bakr" Ibn Barr states:

The first was Abu Bakr bin Quhafa, the second Abu Bakr bin Shuab Laisy and the third was Abu Bakr Nafee bin al Harith Saqfi.

In the Risala Taseemee'thul Isma page 4 we read that the grandson of Prophet Ilyas was called Abu Bakr.

If our opponents are still not convinced then we shall cite Sibt Ibn Jauzi al Hanafi's "Tadhkirathul Khawwas, under the Chapter "Dhikr Abu Bakr" who provides a complete list of those individuals that were called Abu Bakr along with the tribe that they belonged to:

• Abu Bakr bin Abdur Rahman Mukhdhoomee
  
• Abu Bakr bin Hamam al Hameeree
  
• Abu Bakr bin Muhammad bin Muslim Qurshee
  
• Abu Bakr bin Abi Maleeka al Timeemee
  
• Abu Bakr bin Sireen
  
• Abu Bakr bin Marwan ibn Muhammad al Thathree
  
• Abu Bakr Younis bin Bakeer al Shaybanee
  
• Abu Bakr al Bahili
  
• Abu Bakr al Sakhthayanai

Famous Arabs called Umar



We are quoting from Ahl'ul Sunnah's leading work Asadul Ghaybah Volume 4 under the letter "Ayn" that provides a list of men from those tribes that had the name Umar:

• Umar al Aslama
  
• Umar al Jamai
  
• Umar bin Hakim Salma
  
• Umar bin Salim Khuzamee
  
• Umar bin Suraqa Qurshee
  
• Umar bin Sa'd al Numaree
  
• Umar bin Sa'd Salma
  
• Umar bin Sufyan Qurshee
  
• Umar bin Abi Salma Qurshee
  
• Umar bin Amr Salmi
  
• Umar bin Abdullah
  
• Umar bin Ikrima
  
• Umar bin Umar Laysee
  
• Umar bin Ameer Ansari
  
• Umar bin Auf Nakhai
  
• Umar bin Ghazia
  
• Umar bin La Haqq
  
• Umar bin Malik bin Ukba
  
• Umar bin Malik Ansari
  
• Umar bin Mu'awiya Ghazree
  
• Umar bin Yazeed al Khaza'ee
  
• Umar Yamani

Famous Arabs that were called Uthman



We are again quoting from Asadul Ghaybah Volume 3 under the letter "Ayn" that provides a list of 19 people with tribal ancestry that were called Uthman:

• Uthman bin Arqam
  
• Utman bin Adhrak
  
• Uthman bin Haneef
  
• Uthman bin Rabia
  
• Uthman bin Shumaas
  
• Uthman bin Abi Talha
  
• Uthman bin Abu'l Aas
  
• Uthman bin Amr
  
• Uthman bin Abd al Rahman
  
• Uthman bin Abd' Ghanam
  
• Uthman bin Ubaydullah
  
• Uthman bin Affan
  
• Uthman bin Uthman Thaqfee
  
• Uthman bin Umar Ansari
  
• Uthman bin Umar
  
• Uthman bin Qays
  
• Uthman bin Muhammad
  
• Uthman bin Fadhoown
  
• Uthman bin Ma'dh

We have proven from the books of Ahl'ul Sunnah that the names Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman were common amongst the Arab tribes; these were the names of the sons of various parents. Perhaps Afriki could try and use some honesty for once in his life, and answer this:

'What revelation did you receive that led you to conclude that Imam 'Ali had named his sons after Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman due to his love of the three khalifas'?

We should point out that in our Shi'a text Munthee'ala Mahal Volume 1 under the Chapter "Shahadth" - we read the testimony of Imam 'Ali that he named one of his sons Uthman because on the day he was born he stated:

"I shall name this child after my brother Uthman bin Nat'eoon".

This is why the name Uthman was kept by Imam 'Ali it does not prove Uthman bin Affan's merit, not even in the slightest.

With regards to Imam 'Ali 's son Umar, we should point out that one of Imam 'Ali close Sahaba was Umar the son of Umm'ul momineen Salma . Umar was brought up by Rasulullah (s) and he fought alongside Imam 'Ali at Jamal, and was in fact one of his commanders during that battle. During his reign Imam 'Ali appointed him as Governor over Bahrain and Faris. To prove our point we suggest our opponents consult Asada al Ghaybah Volume 4 page 134 under the letter "Ayn". We assert that Imam 'Ali named his son Umar after this great faithful commander. We are fully aware that the Nasibi will advance some Sunni text claiming that Imam 'Ali named his son Umar after the second khalifa - but an Ahl'ul Sunnah work can not be advanced as evidence to convince us.

[Abu Muslim]

shia4life669, on 07 March 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

In Ahl'ul Sunnah's authority work Al Isaba Volume four "Dhikr 'Abu Bakr" Ibn Barr states:

The first was Abu Bakr bin Quhafa, the second Abu Bakr bin Shuab Laisy and the third was Abu Bakr Nafee bin al Harith Saqfi.

In the Risala Taseemee'thul Isma page 4 we read that the grandson of Prophet Ilyas was called Abu Bakr.

If our opponents are still not convinced then we shall cite Sibt Ibn Jauzi al Hanafi's "Tadhkirathul Khawwas, under the Chapter "Dhikr Abu Bakr" who provides a complete list of those individuals that were called Abu Bakr along with the tribe that they belonged to:

• Abu Bakr bin Abdur Rahman Mukhdhoomee
  
• Abu Bakr bin Hamam al Hameeree
  
• Abu Bakr bin Muhammad bin Muslim Qurshee
  
• Abu Bakr bin Abi Maleeka al Timeemee
  
• Abu Bakr bin Sireen
  
• Abu Bakr bin Marwan ibn Muhammad al Thathree
  
• Abu Bakr Younis bin Bakeer al Shaybanee
  
• Abu Bakr al Bahili
  
• Abu Bakr al Sakhthayanai

Famous Arabs called Umar



We are quoting from Ahl'ul Sunnah's leading work Asadul Ghaybah Volume 4 under the letter "Ayn" that provides a list of men from those tribes that had the name Umar:

• Umar al Aslama
  
• Umar al Jamai
  
• Umar bin Hakim Salma
  
• Umar bin Salim Khuzamee
  
• Umar bin Suraqa Qurshee
  
• Umar bin Sa'd al Numaree
  
• Umar bin Sa'd Salma
  
• Umar bin Sufyan Qurshee
  
• Umar bin Abi Salma Qurshee
  
• Umar bin Amr Salmi
  
• Umar bin Abdullah
  
• Umar bin Ikrima
  
• Umar bin Umar Laysee
  
• Umar bin Ameer Ansari
  
• Umar bin Auf Nakhai
  
• Umar bin Ghazia
  
• Umar bin La Haqq
  
• Umar bin Malik bin Ukba
  
• Umar bin Malik Ansari
  
• Umar bin Mu'awiya Ghazree
  
• Umar bin Yazeed al Khaza'ee
  
• Umar Yamani

Famous Arabs that were called Uthman



We are again quoting from Asadul Ghaybah Volume 3 under the letter "Ayn" that provides a list of 19 people with tribal ancestry that were called Uthman:

• Uthman bin Arqam
  
• Utman bin Adhrak
  
• Uthman bin Haneef
  
• Uthman bin Rabia
  
• Uthman bin Shumaas
  
• Uthman bin Abi Talha
  
• Uthman bin Abu'l Aas
  
• Uthman bin Amr
  
• Uthman bin Abd al Rahman
  
• Uthman bin Abd' Ghanam
  
• Uthman bin Ubaydullah
  
• Uthman bin Affan
  
• Uthman bin Uthman Thaqfee
  
• Uthman bin Umar Ansari
  
• Uthman bin Umar
  
• Uthman bin Qays
  
• Uthman bin Muhammad
  
• Uthman bin Fadhoown
  
• Uthman bin Ma'dh

We have proven from the books of Ahl'ul Sunnah that the names Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman were common amongst the Arab tribes; these were the names of the sons of various parents. Perhaps Afriki could try and use some honesty for once in his life, and answer this:

'What revelation did you receive that led you to conclude that Imam 'Ali had named his sons after Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman due to his love of the three khalifas'?

We should point out that in our Shi'a text Munthee'ala Mahal Volume 1 under the Chapter "Shahadth" - we read the testimony of Imam 'Ali that he named one of his sons Uthman because on the day he was born he stated:

"I shall name this child after my brother Uthman bin Nat'eoon".

This is why the name Uthman was kept by Imam 'Ali it does not prove Uthman bin Affan's merit, not even in the slightest.

With regards to Imam 'Ali 's son Umar, we should point out that one of Imam 'Ali close Sahaba was Umar the son of Umm'ul momineen Salma . Umar was brought up by Rasulullah (s) and he fought alongside Imam 'Ali at Jamal, and was in fact one of his commanders during that battle. During his reign Imam 'Ali appointed him as Governor over Bahrain and Faris. To prove our point we suggest our opponents consult Asada al Ghaybah Volume 4 page 134 under the letter "Ayn". We assert that Imam 'Ali named his son Umar after this great faithful commander. We are fully aware that the Nasibi will advance some Sunni text claiming that Imam 'Ali named his son Umar after the second khalifa - but an Ahl'ul Sunnah work can not be advanced as evidence to convince us.

Interestingly in that copy and paste you posted, Uthman bin Nat'eoon is not mentioned in the list of the 19 Uthman's. Which Uthman was named after Uthman bin Nat'eon? Ali had 2 sons named Uthman, and 2 named Umar. You (or should I say Answering Ansar as its a copy and paste) haven't explained the case of Abu Bakr yet.

[Hozin]

Abu Muslim, on 07 March 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Interestingly in that copy and paste you posted, Uthman bin Nat'eoon is not mentioned in the list of the 19 Uthman's. Which Uthman was named after Uthman bin Nat'eon? Ali had 2 sons named Uthman, and 2 named Umar. You (or should I say Answering Ansar as its a copy and paste) haven't explained the case of Abu Bakr yet.

It doesnt matter akhi...this whole thing about Ali radhi Allaahu 'anhu naming his children after the khulafaa' because they were common names is preposterous...If Abu Jahl was a common name at the time of Rasool Allaah Sul Allaahu 'alaihi wa Sallam NO ONE would name their kids Abu Jahl! think about it this way...how many Shi'as today name their kids SADAM? it is a common name and yet no shi'i would dare name their kids sadam...because as soon as they mention the name, they get a mental image of someone who oppressed them... anyone who does name their kid Sadam will either be beaten, killed or ostracized from society...and who do Shi'ah think is worse, Sadam or Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman?  and let's not forget that Ali Radhi Allaahu 'anhu is supposed to be very wise and infallible...would he (knowing that the three first khulafaa were Kuffar and munaafiqoon and oppressors and changers of the deen supposedly) subject his children to the names of those people, even if it was a common name and even if he wanted to name them after another Uthman or Umar or Abu Bakr? if you're Jewish and one of the closest and most kind people that you ever met in your life who influenced you, inspired you, aided you, comforted you and loved you was a man named Hitler, would you name your kid after him? no of course not...and let's take an even simpler example...We all know of the Prophet Lut 'alaihis Salaam...He was one of the greatest people to ever live...but how many kids do you know with the name Lut? I personally dont know any...why? because even though he was a pious and righteous man, parents dont name their kids Lut because when he is mentioned people immediately think about Homosexuality...Ali Radhi ALlaahu 'anhu named his kids Umar, Abu Bakr and Uthman, some multiple times, because he was wise enough to know that some individuals would be disputing his relationship with the Khulafaa' so he let you know fervently that he loved and admired them...and anyone who says that ALi radhi Allaahu 'anhu named them for another reason is basically saying Ali radhi ALlaahu 'anhu tortured his kids with names that belong to the most hated people towards him

[Righteous]

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Hozin, on 08 March 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

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It doesnt matter akhi...this whole thing about Ali radhi Allaahu 'anhu naming his children after the khulafaa' because they were common names is preposterous...If Abu Jahl was a common name at the time of Rasool Allaah Sul Allaahu 'alaihi wa Sallam NO ONE would name their kids Abu Jahl! think about it this way...how many Shi'as today name their kids SADAM? it is a common name and yet no shi'i would dare name their kids sadam...because as soon as they mention the name, they get a mental image of someone who oppressed them... anyone who does name their kid Sadam will either be beaten, killed or ostracized from society...and who do Shi'ah think is worse, Sadam or Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman?&nbsp;&nbsp;and let's not forget that Ali Radhi Allaahu 'anhu is supposed to be very wise and infallible...would he (knowing that the three first khulafaa were Kuffar and munaafiqoon and oppressors and changers of the deen supposedly) subject his children to the names of those people, even if it was a common name and even if he wanted to name them after another Uthman or Umar or Abu Bakr? if you're Jewish and one of the closest and most kind people that you ever met in your life who influenced you, inspired you, aided you, comforted you and loved you was a man named Hitler, would you name your kid after him? no of course not...and let's take an even simpler example...We all know of the Prophet Lut 'alaihis Salaam...He was one of the greatest people to ever live...but how many kids do you know with the name Lut? I personally dont know any...why? because even though he was a pious and righteous man, parents dont name their kids Lut because when he is mentioned people immediately think about Homosexuality...Ali Radhi ALlaahu 'anhu named his kids Umar, Abu Bakr and Uthman, some multiple times, because he was wise enough to know that some individuals would be disputing his relationship with the Khulafaa' so he let you know fervently that he loved and admired them...and anyone who says that ALi radhi Allaahu 'anhu named them for another reason is basically saying Ali radhi ALlaahu 'anhu tortured his kids with names that belong to the most hated people towards him<br />

Go ahead and live in your fantasy world where all the companions loved each other and river of milk and honey flowed.
Do you know that Ali did not name any one Abu Bakr, Mohammad bin Abi Bakr was raised by him as his own. He had married Abu Bakr's widow too.

There is enough direct evidence of what Ali thought of the sheikhan. You like all Sunnis are clutching at straws so your fantasies are not shattered.