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[Pascal]

Atefeh Rajabi Sahaaleh (Persian: عاطفه رجبی سهاله‎; – 1988 - August 15, 2004) was a 16-year-old Mazandarani Iranian schoolgirl from the town of Neka, Iran who was executed a week after being sentenced to death by Haji Rezai, head of Neka's court on charges of adultery and "crimes against chastity". Rezai, who served as the prosecutor, judge and witness also carried out the execution of the teenager himself by placing the noose round Atefeh's neck before she was hoisted on a crane to her death telling her “This will teach you to disobey!”^[1][2]

After the execution of Atefeh, Iranian media reported that Judge Rezai and several militia members, including Captain Zabihi and Captain Molai, were arrested by the Intelligence Ministry. Inside sources informed the media that in addition to the confession of his rape of Atefeh, Judge Rezai, who served as judge, jury and executioner, also confessed to torturing her during interrogations to extract names of others she had relations with.^[3] He also confessed to covering up what he and the militia members had done to Atefeh, by speeding up the verdict of execution. Judge Rezai insisted that the verdict and the execution were fully in compliance with the laws of Islam, permitted and sanctioned by the religious authorities.^[3] No charges have been made against Rezai.

The execution is controversial because as a signatory of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Iran promised not to execute anyone under the age of 18. Atefah's father had passed her birth certificate to the civil authorities, lawyers involved, journalists and Judge Rezai himself but according to a witness, "the judge just looked at her body, because of the developed physique ... declared her as 22."^[1] Pursuant to continual complaints filed by Atefeh's family, and heavy international pressure about her execution and the way the judge mishandled the case, the Supreme Court of Iran issued an order to free Atefeh, but only after it already knew she was dead.^[3]


Atefeh's mother died in a car accident when she was five. Shortly after, her younger brother is said to have drowned in a river. Her father became a drug addict, and she was forced to care for her octogenarian grandparents. Despite her attending to their needs they are reported to have completely ignored her. She grew up in the town of Neka, Iran and was described as a 'lively and intelligent girl,' whom everyone knew, and was often seen wandering free on the streets. She was called "gypsy of Neka" by the locals, as she was not restrained in her behavior, having no parental guidance

On the day she was due to attend a wedding, the Moral Police arrested her as she was preparing dinner for her grandparents. As she had not committed an offence, a petition was presented declaring her a 'bad influence'; it was not signed.

She was convicted for ‘crimes against chastity’, based on her admission, obtained through torture, that she had repeatedly had sex with a 51-year-old ex-revolutionary guard turned taxi-driver Ali Darabi, a married man with children, who raped her several times.^[1] She kept the relationship,^[5] which lasted over three years, a secret from both her family and the authorities. However, while in prison, she finally told her grandmother, saying that afterwards she could only walk on all fours because of the pain.^[6] In the court the judge was Haji Rezai. As Atefah realised she was losing her case, she removed her hijab, an act seen as a severe contempt of the court, and argued that Ali Darabi should be punished, not she. She even removed her shoes and hit the judge with them.^[7] The judge later sentenced her to death.

Atefeh appealed her conviction. Her family could still not afford a lawyer, and none was provided, in contravention of Iranian law.^[8] Although such appeals are usually not resolved within a year, her death sentence was upheld by the Supreme Court. Haji Rezai, the religious judge, was reportedly so incensed with Atefeh’s "sharp tongue" during the trial that he travelled to Tehran to convince the mullahs of the Supreme Court to uphold the death sentence.^[3] According to the BBC, the documents presented to the Supreme Court of Appeal described her as 22 years old, but her birth certificate and death certificate stated that she was 16. The issue of her age was not brought to proper attention before it was too late.

Amnesty International and a number of other organisations have reported that she suffered from psychological illness, both before and at the trial.

She was publicly hanged from a crane in Neka, Iran, on August 15, 2004. The judge in her case, Haji Rezai, also acted as executioner and applied the noose himself.^[3] She was left hanging for 45 minutes. He later boasted that she had been "taught a lesson" for her "sharp tongue".^[3] Her father was not notified of her execution. The next day her body was stolen from her grave.^[3] It has never been recovered.
Amnesty International and many other human rights organizations from the international community declared her killing to be a crime against humanity and against children of the world.<sup>[9]




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Whats that you say? It's not a problem with the whole Iranian justice system? It's just the messed up work of one stupid/sick individual....

You can spend all day rattling off incidents in USA (which i dont live in or feel a particular affinity to) that have been mistakes and very regrettable miscarriages of justice. It's not an indictment on their entire system as a whole though. Just like what i posted above isn't an indictment on the entire iranian system.

Almost everyone in this thread seems to be so blinded about being for or against America or Iran, What about being for human rights, being for justice, being for compassion and doing the right thing no matter where it happens?

Edited by kingpomba, 24 February 2012 - 03:10 PM.

[aliasghark]

kingpomba, do you know if Atefeh Rajabi Sahaaleh was 16, and not 22?

[ShiaBen]

kingpomba, on 24 February 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Atefeh Rajabi Sahaaleh (Persian: عاطفه رجبی سهاله‎; – 1988 - August 15, 2004) was a 16-year-old Mazandarani Iranian schoolgirl from the town of Neka, Iran who was executed a week after being sentenced to death by Haji Rezai, head of Neka's court on charges of adultery and "crimes against chastity". Rezai, who served as the prosecutor, judge and witness also carried out the execution of the teenager himself by placing the noose round Atefeh's neck before she was hoisted on a crane to her death telling her “This will teach you to disobey!”^[1][2]

After the execution of Atefeh, Iranian media reported that Judge Rezai and several militia members, including Captain Zabihi and Captain Molai, were arrested by the Intelligence Ministry. Inside sources informed the media that in addition to the confession of his rape of Atefeh, Judge Rezai, who served as judge, jury and executioner, also confessed to torturing her during interrogations to extract names of others she had relations with.^[3] He also confessed to covering up what he and the militia members had done to Atefeh, by speeding up the verdict of execution. Judge Rezai insisted that the verdict and the execution were fully in compliance with the laws of Islam, permitted and sanctioned by the religious authorities.^[3] No charges have been made against Rezai.

The execution is controversial because as a signatory of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Iran promised not to execute anyone under the age of 18. Atefah's father had passed her birth certificate to the civil authorities, lawyers involved, journalists and Judge Rezai himself but according to a witness, "the judge just looked at her body, because of the developed physique ... declared her as 22."^[1] Pursuant to continual complaints filed by Atefeh's family, and heavy international pressure about her execution and the way the judge mishandled the case, the Supreme Court of Iran issued an order to free Atefeh, but only after it already knew she was dead.^[3]


Atefeh's mother died in a car accident when she was five. Shortly after, her younger brother is said to have drowned in a river. Her father became a drug addict, and she was forced to care for her octogenarian grandparents. Despite her attending to their needs they are reported to have completely ignored her. She grew up in the town of Neka, Iran and was described as a 'lively and intelligent girl,' whom everyone knew, and was often seen wandering free on the streets. She was called "gypsy of Neka" by the locals, as she was not restrained in her behavior, having no parental guidance

On the day she was due to attend a wedding, the Moral Police arrested her as she was preparing dinner for her grandparents. As she had not committed an offence, a petition was presented declaring her a 'bad influence'; it was not signed.

She was convicted for ‘crimes against chastity’, based on her admission, obtained through torture, that she had repeatedly had sex with a 51-year-old ex-revolutionary guard turned taxi-driver Ali Darabi, a married man with children, who raped her several times.^[1] She kept the relationship,^[5] which lasted over three years, a secret from both her family and the authorities. However, while in prison, she finally told her grandmother, saying that afterwards she could only walk on all fours because of the pain.^[6] In the court the judge was Haji Rezai. As Atefah realised she was losing her case, she removed her hijab, an act seen as a severe contempt of the court, and argued that Ali Darabi should be punished, not she. She even removed her shoes and hit the judge with them.^[7] The judge later sentenced her to death.

Atefeh appealed her conviction. Her family could still not afford a lawyer, and none was provided, in contravention of Iranian law.^[8] Although such appeals are usually not resolved within a year, her death sentence was upheld by the Supreme Court. Haji Rezai, the religious judge, was reportedly so incensed with Atefeh’s "sharp tongue" during the trial that he travelled to Tehran to convince the mullahs of the Supreme Court to uphold the death sentence.^[3] According to the BBC, the documents presented to the Supreme Court of Appeal described her as 22 years old, but her birth certificate and death certificate stated that she was 16. The issue of her age was not brought to proper attention before it was too late.

Amnesty International and a number of other organisations have reported that she suffered from psychological illness, both before and at the trial.

She was publicly hanged from a crane in Neka, Iran, on August 15, 2004. The judge in her case, Haji Rezai, also acted as executioner and applied the noose himself.^[3] She was left hanging for 45 minutes. He later boasted that she had been "taught a lesson" for her "sharp tongue".^[3] Her father was not notified of her execution. The next day her body was stolen from her grave.^[3] It has never been recovered.
Amnesty International and many other human rights organizations from the international community declared her killing to be a crime against humanity and against children of the world.<sup>[9]




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Whats that you say? It's not a problem with the whole Iranian justice system? It's just the messed up work of one stupid/sick individual....

You can spend all day rattling off incidents in USA (which i dont live in or feel a particular affinity to) that have been mistakes and very regrettable miscarriages of justice. It's not an indictment on their entire system as a whole though. Just like what i posted above isn't an indictment on the entire iranian system.

Almost everyone in this thread seems to be so blinded about being for or against America or Iran, What about being for human rights, being for justice, being for compassion and doing the right thing no matter where it happens?

lol you're an ethnocentric [Edited Out].

You know nothing of the case. Neither do I. Why? Because we're not there. We don't know what actually did or did not happen.

Getting garbage from hearsay media does not indicate evidence.

You can say or think what you want, but the fact of the matter is, none of us were there to see what did or did not happen.

And what's wrong with hanging someone under the age of 18? We have states here that do it in the U.S. as well.

Adulthood is defined differently country to country (which reveals you're an ethnocentric moron).

And on top of that, a crime is a crime. And we all know that amnesty international is garbage. They define morality, justice, values, laws, through a Western perspective, not an Islamic perspective, not a Mayan perspective, not a Chinese perspective, not a Hindu perspective, not a Marxist perspective, but a Western perspective ONLY.

[Pascal]

aliasghark, on 24 February 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

kingpomba, do you know if Atefeh Rajabi Sahaaleh was 16, and not 22?

Thats your line in the sand? I say this with 0 regret... you have deep seated issues. You really need to get them looked at.

She was raped....by the judge...who was also the prosecutor....and the witness...after charges based on torture....carried out by the judge...were placed on her and then she was tried by the very same judge. Your sole objection is her age?

Does this not concern you? It's her age that you find the main issue? Really?

Don't you care that an innocent person probably suffered and was put to death... I thought my spiele about human rights and decency over loving countries would of got through to some of you...

ShiaBen, on 24 February 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

You know nothing of the case. Neither do I. Why? Because we're not there. We don't know what actually did or did not happen.

ShiaBen, on 24 February 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

You can say or think what you want, but the fact of the matter is, none of us were there to see what did or did not happen.

Thats an utterly hopeless objection. You literally have to question everything then because you're not there or you can't directly observe it yourself. How do you know i'm real? The same objection could be laid against any of the positive things you post about Iran as well. If you've never been to Iran it could be a paradise on earth or a stalinist gulag in equal measure because you can only trust what you see for yourself, you can't trust anyone elses words or any media according to you. How do i know who the president of my country is if i've never seen him? How do i know i'm actually in the country i think im in... Under the same logic i could say you know absolutely nothing about muhammed or Islam because you weren't there.

You see where such flawed logic leads?

ShiaBen, on 24 February 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

Getting garbage from hearsay media does not indicate evidence.

It's better than the Iranian media which we can't trust since they seem to be so fond of throwing journalist in prison and all.

ShiaBen, on 24 February 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

And what's wrong with hanging someone under the age of 18? We have states here that do it in the U.S. as well.

Plenty is wrong with executing anyone at all but thats not my issue in this case, its not the point i'm trying to make. You're obviously in favour of execution along with many people here so i wont venture into that territory here. I'm not American though, the USA has human rights abuses too and does things wrong. I'm perfectly fine to acknowledge that, i'm not some zealot like some of the USA or Iranian zealots on here who will protect their country even when they are clearly doing something wrong, thinking like that is the wrong way to go about it.

It'd also like to point out that its a complete fabrication or misunderstanding that states in America currently do that, i'll bring your attention to Roper v. Simmons.

ShiaBen, on 24 February 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

Adulthood is defined differently country to country (which reveals you're an ethnocentric moron).

Of course...i must be an ethnocentric moron.

My problem wasn't with the fact she was 18 or 16 or 22...its the fact the judge raped her....made up false charges...extracted a confession under torture.....and was the prosecutor...judge and the bloody witness too. You seriously don't have a problem with this? Are you going to support this guy just because he's a muslim even though he's comitted a grevious human rights abuse? I can't believe you think this is ok... Do you think this is ok?

ShiaBen, on 24 February 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

And on top of that, a crime is a crime.

Except in this case the charges were made up and a confession extracted under torture, which is clearly not OK nor can you charge someone on that basis, especially a mentally ill person. The only criminal here is Haji Rezai who escaped without charge.

ShiaBen, on 24 February 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

And we all know that amnesty international is garbage.

How is it garbage? They criticise human rights abuses everywhere from the USA (as in my signature) to Israel to China to Palestine to Iran. They're fair and balanced and unlike some of the soul-less creatures that seem to inhabit this board they care about humanity and human rights abuses the globe over which is the right thing to do.

The right to free speech is a fundamental and universal right, so are many of the other rights. They're not western rights, they're rights for the world. They're rights we deserve. In nature we have these rights its only when the government, which is meant to represent the people, denies the people of these very same rights, their natural rights. If a state practices this they deserve sanction, if its the problem of the prime minister, he doesn't deserve to be in power. If its the problem of the parliament, they should be all fired. If its the problem of the countries political system it should be dismantled. Human rights abuses are human rights abuses no matter what guise you carry them out under.

Edited by kingpomba, 25 February 2012 - 01:35 AM.

[titumir]

kingpomba, on 25 February 2012 - 01:31 AM, said:

Thats your line in the sand? I say this with 0 regret... you have deep seated issues. You really need to get them looked at.

She was raped....by the judge...who was also the prosecutor....and the witness...after charges based on torture....carried out by the judge...were placed on her and then she was tried by the very same judge. Your sole objection is her age?

Does this not concern you? It's her age that you find the main issue? Really?

Don't you care that an innocent person probably suffered and was put to death... I thought my spiele about human rights and decency over loving countries would of got through to some of you...

Doesn't the tens of people killed by the US, which I posted earlier concern you at all? You didn't comment on those, I notice. Posting a similar story about some rural corrupt judge (and Iran has sentenced many corrupt judges to death, unlike the US) doesn't absolve the US of their actions.

[ShiaBen]

Amnesty International defines right and wrong through a Western lens. It's biased. Therefore its validity means nothing to Muslims.

And as for the above case. Again, you're relying on hearsay garbage. Nobody knows what actually happened. A lot of it is fishy.

And yes, titumir is right. In Iran, there isn't some BS infallibility law. If you're a criminal, you get your punishment due.

Nobody is infallible from the law.

[Pascal]

titumir, on 25 February 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

Doesn't the tens of people killed by the US, which I posted earlier concern you at all? You didn't comment on those, I notice. Posting a similar story about some rural corrupt judge (and Iran has sentenced many corrupt judges to death, unlike the US) doesn't absolve the US of their actions.

Of course, i'm very deeply concerned. Especially when incorrect lengthy prison sentences or God forbid, the death penalty is imposed.

Are you concerned about what happened here though? You haven't answered me on that yet. If it did happen, is it something you would be concerned about?

I don't think its wise to sentence the judiciary to death, it could be too quickly used as a political tool to eliminate judges who oppose the government. Could you please provide evidence of some cases where Iran has sentenced allegedly corrupt judges to death for reasons that arent political?

ShiaBen, on 25 February 2012 - 01:45 AM, said:

Amnesty International defines right and wrong through a Western lens. It's biased. Therefore its validity means nothing to Muslims.

How is it biased? Its no more biased than your system of definining human rights through an Islamic perspective.

Human rights are just human rights. They're universal. The right to free speech and free religions are natural rights and rights everyone should be extended. In your opinion which human rights commonly practiced in the west or talked about amnesty international should remain the perogative of Islamic governments instead of being granted to the people? I am interested in your answer. What rights should muslims have and which human rights shouldn't they have according to you?

Pretend all the supposed human rights abuses are true, which ones do you think are acceptable and which ones do you think are not? There is some examples in my signature but i'll provide a few. Do you think university entrance should only be extended to Christian jew or muslim? Do you think its ok to jail opposition political parties? Is it ok to judicially sanction journalists critical of the current government? Should i be able to wear whatever i want? Should the state tell me who i can and cant preach to? ect..

It seems some people are infalible from the law. It's perfectly ok for government salaried people to put journalists in jail...hardly anyone ever gets charged for crimes against the bahai....wonder why this is...

Edited by kingpomba, 25 February 2012 - 02:38 AM.

[titumir]

kingpomba, on 25 February 2012 - 02:28 AM, said:

Are you concerned about what happened here though? You haven't answered me on that yet. If it did happen, is it something you would be concerned about?

Yes, I'm certainly concerned about it, and I don't doubt that a lot of innocent people were hanged in Iran since 1979, and I do not say this without proof, I think this happened because many judges have themselves been sentenced to death and hanged in Iran since 1979. You see, when a revolution or a civil war happens, lots of innocent people die, and at least Iran has gone to the length of hanging some of the judges who hanged innocent people, though of course, 1) Many guilty judges escaped justice and 2) It would be better to have both victim and judge alive, instead of both hanged.

And yes, I certainly have seen such cases, however, I do not remember the exact name, but it was about a family who had their property confiscated by a judge, who then got hanged for "causing corruption on earth", and then Iran refused to return their property to them. It was a famous Shah-era rich family. I can't remember the name, I'm not even Iranian, but I definitely remember reading about it.

That being said, we see the judge being arrested by Iran's Intelligence ministry, which we do not see at all in America, where all the police officers get off scot free, and governors sign death sentences even when they're convinced of the victim's innocence. In America they hardly care at all about these things.

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William Joyce (24 April 1906 – 3 January 1946), nicknamed Lord Haw-Haw, was an Irish-American fascist politician and Nazi propaganda broadcaster to the United Kingdom during the Second World War. He was controversially hanged for treason by the British as a result of his wartime activities, being taken to owe allegiance to the UK by his possession of a British passport, a document to which, ironically, he was not entitled.

Well, the "iranian journalists" are lucky that they were not born in the UK.

Wow look at his alleged crimes:

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1. William Joyce, on the 18th of September, 1939, and on other days between that day and the 29th of May, 1945, being a person owing allegiance to our Lord the King, and while a war was being carried on by the German Realm against our King, did traitorously adhere to the King's enemies in Germany, by broadcasting propaganda.

2. William Joyce, on the 26th of September, 1940, being a person who owed allegiance as in the other count, adhered to the King's enemies by purporting to become naturalized as a subject of Germany.

3. William Joyce, on 18 September 1939, and on other days between that day and the 2 July 1940, being a person owing allegiance to our Lord the King, and while a war was being carried on by the German Realm against our King, did traitorously adhere to the King's enemies in Germany, by broadcasting propaganda.[24]

Edited by titumir, 25 February 2012 - 03:28 AM.

[Pascal]

Fair enough and i'm glad your concerned about these things over such silly things like nationalism or patriotism (almost had a heart attack here haha).

The thing that happened to Joyce we of course regrettable. It wasn't my point to show the USA does nothing wrong, it was my point to show that everyone does wrong things occasionally. This was a time when england was a long more strongly monarchist and less democratic, this was in war time as well so people were understandably jittery. Of course it wasn't right but England has progressed from things like this, it has changed and moved forward. The death penalty being de facto abolished in 1964 and being de jure abolished in 1969 and for a few other odd offenses finally in 1998 or something like that. De facto it was already abolished long before then though, it just remained on the books for some very strange and umodern offenses (piracy on the high seas, burning royal ships, ect). It isn't unusual in a country like England to have very old laws remain on the books because its a very old country. I believe julian assange tried to use a law from something like the 1800s to defend himself.

The EU have also made the right choice in stipulating that it's member states should uphold human rights like this and abolish executions, this is a good use of power. Hopefully we won't see horrible things like that happen again, at least in the continent. The rest of the world is a bit iffy (excluding canada, nz, Australia, ect).

Edited by kingpomba, 25 February 2012 - 04:06 AM.

[aliasghark]

kingpomba, on 25 February 2012 - 01:31 AM, said:

Thats your line in the sand? I say this with 0 regret... you have deep seated issues. You really need to get them looked at.

She was raped....by the judge...who was also the prosecutor....and the witness...after charges based on torture....carried out by the judge...were placed on her and then she was tried by the very same judge. Your sole objection is her age?

Does this not concern you? It's her age that you find the main issue? Really?

Don't you care that an innocent person probably suffered and was put to death... I thought my spiele about human rights and decency over loving countries would of got through to some of you...

What? Get a hold of yourself. I was arguing against the narrative that this was a crime that Iran was committing against children.

[Nawab]

hussainmehdi, on 22 February 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

People live in Iran,
People live in United States,

People live in their respective countries for thousands of years,

Mothers and Motherlands are not the product at the counters to pick like british business petroleum,
Where you visit, test, watch the display and shout: “This One!”

The relation between mother and son is not a business partnership,
The relation between mother and son is not a trade of diamonds,
The relation between mother and son is not a business partnership,

Yes, people travel countries to gain knowledge and experience and may be money according to the standards of their understandings,

The choice of apple does not illegitimate the choice of grapes.

true poetry

[aliasghark]

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My problem wasn't with the fact she was 18 or 16 or 22...its the fact the judge raped her

Just noticed this... where did you get the idea that the judge raped her?

The whole (actual) story seems sad enough, it doesn't need to be sensationalized further.

[ShiaBen]

King Pomba's goal is to put Iran on the same level as the Western World.

I'm sorry, but you can't compare Iran to the Western World. There are more instances of human rights violated both historically and currently in the Western World than in Iran.

Iran isn't perfect, but it still upholds human rights better than many countries in the Western World.

Westerners should refrain from criticizing Iran and should focus on their own backyards.

Edited by ShiaBen, 25 February 2012 - 06:42 PM.

[bolbol]

I have heard about this story, it was revised about 3 times and many discussions evolved around whether the story at all existed. Especially when you see the comical American propaganda inserts, the usual "judge is corrupt, no lawyer, rape her so she can't go to heaven' rubbish. Even the demand of death for being raped is fictional, there is no law that allows this, so they can't carry out that law. Similarly, a man cannot function as judge, prosecutor and witness, this story has preposterous holes, and is designed for Western herds. Notice how the judge name is "Haji Rezai"...it's like saying the judge was called "Tom Joe"..Haji isn't even a first name (troll) one of those names you can't ever trace down, just a vague, incoherent, piece of garbage story.

There is currently not a single .ir domain from a news agency that discusses anything about her case, I think we can fairly conclude this was another concoction by the regime in Washington. It even gained prominence by BBC's state television, and even a Hollywood propaganda film, so with 'friendly' reports like those, who needs good coverage. There is not a single reliable link in the reference, all of them are Western propaganda links, including one that is owned by the MKO (lol).

This is another way of how the regime brainwashes their people and promotes the idea of 'America is a heaven, just look at what happens elsewhere in the world, be lucky you are in the USA', just follow the state sanctioned media and its European allies, don't go and investigate anything yourself. God forbid, you might actually find that this is yet, another lie.

This worthless stooge has a number of other articles in his/her name, such as the alleged 'chain murders' of Iran, which were an invention of Alireza Nourizadeh, and he took full responsibility for the 'horrific discovery'  from his comfortable Washington mansion. Nourizadeh is an Iranian immigrant who is employed by the American regime.

I wouldn't put my money on it.




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Edited by bolbol, 26 February 2012 - 07:19 AM.

[hussainmehdi]

In Iran, religious personalities can participate in general elections,
In western democracies, religious personalities cannot participate in general elections,

For example:

Prominent religious figures contest in general elections in Iran,
But, Pope and priests cannot contest in general elections under western democracies,

Prominent religious leaders may be appointed as executives on public services organizations in Iran,
But you will never see a Christian religious leader appointed as executives on any public services department in western countries!!!

In Iran, democracy gives equal rights to social scholars and religious scholars,
In western countries, however, religious scholars and certain social scholars do not have same equal rights,

In western countries, popes and archbishops are treated like ‘clerks’ and ‘assistants’,
While in Iran, religious scholars enjoy equal rights,

In western countries, archbishops are nothing but ‘table boys’,
In Iran, however, religious scholars take part equally in the management of the society,

In western countries, every individual when turns eighteen becomes stranger in its own ‘Mama’s home’  and runs immediately for a partner or companion and a separate place to live and a job,

In Iran however, values and relations are always alive due to religious influence and ‘turned eighteen’ enjoy family life until they become independent financially and socially,

This ‘touch of family’ protects youth from becoming ‘lone kite’ in the sky for everyone to ‘catch and enjoy’.

[hussainmehdi]

Iran is continuously progressing day by day with all sanctions and embargos,
While:

The whole western world has turned into a ‘land of cuts’!!!

“Cuts”

Cut jobs,
Cut health,
Cut welfare,
Cut services,
Cut pensions,
Cut education,
Cut everything that relates to people,

The whole western world has turned into a ‘land of announcement’!!!

“Announcements”

Announcements of sanctions,
Announcements of embargos,
Announcements of threats,
Announcements of tactical errors,
Announcements of new innovative measures,
Announcements of restrictions on international banking,
Announcements of furniture and fixture including ‘war table’,

No matter how many people hurt from cuts and announcement, they don’t notice,
Yet they claim they have Garden of Eden,

OK, if you say so.

[hussainmehdi]

A research study carried out by fuel poverty expert Professor Christine Liddell of the University of Ulster has revealed that nearly 8,000 people die during winter as a result of fuel poverty, reported the Independent on Tuesday February 29 2012,

“I believe the figure of 7,800 is much more realistic as it is based on WHO’s [World Health Organisation] most recent estimates of deaths relating to cold and damp homes,” said Liddell,

Link: http://www.presstv.i...ail/229189.html







With such situation, who can be proud on people’s miseries?

[Ruq]

hussainmehdi, on 26 February 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

In western countries, every individual when turns eighteen becomes stranger in its own ‘Mama’s home’  and runs immediately for a partner or companion and a separate place to live and a job,

Lol, o that that were true.

[baradar_jackson]

Zahratul_Islam, on 29 February 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

power tends to corrupt those of all races, religions, and political leanings.

This is one of the most false slogans that has ever been uttered. And it is repeated a lot. In the US, high school history classes teach this as gospel.

But it's not true.

If you see that someone is "good" and then he gains power and becomes "corrupted," this is not that power corrupted him! No. He was corrupt from the beginning; power tested him, and he failed the test.

We are all tested in different ways. Not all people lust after power. Some people may lust after money. Others may lust after women. Others may lust after fame/notoriety/recognition. There are an infinite number of ways in which people are tested. Power is one way; if someone appears to have been corrupted by power, it is in fact that before he had power, his true nature had not been put to the test!!

For example: a barefoot, hungry person; would you call him "not greedy"??? How would you even know that he is not greedy, if you have not seen him be in a position where he has something to be greedy about?!?!?!

So this slogan is incorrect. People come to believe in these slogans from reading ridiculous books like Animal Farm.



P.S. many individuals have been given this test, and passed!!

[AnaAmmar1]

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[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

baradar_jackson, on 29 February 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

We are all tested in different ways. Not all people lust after power. Some people may lust after money. Others may lust after women.

"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."

[AnaAmmar1]

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[baradar_jackson]

Propaganda_of_the_Deed, on 29 February 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."

Tony Montana lusted after all of those things...

[AnaAmmar1]