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[Abu 3antar]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

is based on hatred and mine is based on love. Doubt the prophet SAW daughter would says such things about her father's closest friends.

Yes indeed your religion is based on love. I mean why else would your fellow Sunnis in Syria target Shia pilgrims, chop off Shias arms in Afghanistan, cut off women's noses and bomb themselves in the middle of Souks, killing thousands every year? Before you say Bashar is Shia, that's false look how he prays and look at the Syrian army, mainly a Sunni dominated one.

I must tell you, you've got a crazy definition of love.


al-Bukhari narrated on the authority of Aisha that:

...Fatimah became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him, and did
not talk to him till she died.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Chapter of "The battle of Khaibar", Arabic-English.

The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me. Whatever upsets her upsets me, and whatever harms her harms me.”
Sahih Muslim, v. 5, p. 54

[Dagga]

[Rasul]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

Fake and Gay

[Auqab]

Rasul, on 11 July 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

Fake and Gay

ROFL!

[power]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

There are NO Sunni sects, rather we have different madhabs, and none of the madhabs differentiate in viewpoints of core islamic beliefs. But when we look at Shia Islam there are SO MANY sects.

Dagga, on 13 July 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

Google it please, I haven't got time, wahabis/salafis/sufis are not Sunni, they may claim to be just because no one would look at them If they called themselves wahabi/salafi/sufi but since Sunnis are around 90 % of the muslim population they like to blend in.

You have now contradicted yourself, are you claiming these sect are none Muslim or are they sect within Sunnsim??????

Edited by power, 14 July 2012 - 02:09 PM.

[Dagga]

Salafi/ Sufi/ Wahabi are not Sunni, Sunni has no sects, where the hell are you seeing the contradictions?!

[AspiringToBeShia]

Madhab/sect whats the difference...There are four subdivisions WITHIN Sunni Islam. If that is not a sect, I don't what you would call it. The illusion of unity among the Ahle Sunna has clearly blinded some people.

The true Islam is the Islam taught to us by the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) and his Ahlul Bayt (a.s.).

Not the "Islam" of Abu Bakr and Umar or the "Islam" of the Wahabbis or the Ghulatis. I really feel sorry for my Sunni brothers who hear propaganda advocating and elevating the so-called "Sahabis" and demoting the Ahlul Bayt.

[Dagga]

AspiringToBeShia, on 14 July 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

Madhab/sect whats the difference...There are four subdivisions WITHIN Sunni Islam. If that is not a sect, I don't what you would call it. The illusion of unity among the Ahle Sunna has clearly blinded some people.

The true Islam is the Islam taught to us by the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) and his Ahlul Bayt (a.s.).

Not the "Islam" of Abu Bakr and Umar or the "Islam" of the Wahabbis or the Ghulatis. I really feel sorry for my Sunni brothers who hear propaganda advocating and elevating the so-called "Sahabis" and demoting the Ahlul Bayt.

They are not divisions, we all follow the exact same articles of belief, Oh Shia Islam is the true religion? Which of the over 30 sects of Shia Islam is the true Islam? Which Imams are the correct Imams? Every sect of Shi'ism have their own hadiths to prove Imamate for that individual, wait why are we looking at hadiths when we can look at the Quran?! Oh yeah... Imamate isn't in the Quran, Whereas Sunnis follow the Quran and the Prophet SAW, that is the true Islam, the Book and the Messenger SAW. Not the Book and the Prophet and 5 Imams... I mean 7... I mean 12! Omg which one is the correct one?!

No Sunni ever demotes the Ahlul Bayt, they were of the greatest Muslims and may Allah be pleased with them.

Edited by Dagga, 14 July 2012 - 06:04 PM.

[Ameen]

Dagga, on 14 July 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

They are not divisions, we all follow the exact same articles of belief, Oh Shia Islam is the true religion? Which of the over 30 sects of Shia Islam is the true Islam? Which Imams are the correct Imams? Every sect of Shi'ism have their own hadiths to prove Imamate for that individual, wait why are we looking at hadiths when we can look at the Quran?! Oh yeah... Imamate isn't in the Quran, Whereas Sunnis follow the Quran and the Prophet SAW, that is the true Islam, the Book and the Messenger SAW. Not the Book and the Prophet and 5 Imams... I mean 7... I mean 12! Omg which one is the correct one?!

No Sunni ever demotes the Ahlul Bayt, they were of the greatest Muslims and may Allah be pleased with them.

Imaamath is absolutely, crystal clear in the Quran. Now everything that has been said, regarding Quran and Imaamath, on this site by the brothers, if you still doubt it, then that's your arrogance and ignorance, which is coming in the way between you and the truth. If you still wish to continue to stay blind, then that's your decision.

[Dagga]

Ameen, on 14 July 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

Imaamath is absolutely, crystal clear in the Quran.

Is this why barely a tenth of Muslims believe in such a concept? Around 1.5 billion muslims around the world are 'arrogant and ignorant'.

Edited by Dagga, 14 July 2012 - 07:24 PM.

[Ali Musaaa :)]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

In the space of 1400 years, Sunni Islam has grown from thousands to over 1.5 billion, where has Shia Islam barely makes 100 million, we can CLEARLY see where Allah's protection of unity lies.

@Ali Musaaa

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We can CLEARLY see that from your beautiful signature, TWO quotes from Imams, ONE quote from the Prophet SAW and NONE from Allah swt (Quran).


I'm pretty sure if Abu Bakr was what was stated above 50% of your imams wouldn't have named their sons Abu Bakr LOOOOOOOOL.

@ Replicant's Nemesis

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You summarised my point tbh, your one is based on hatred and mine is based on love. Doubt the prophet SAW daughter would says such things about her father's closest friends.

Why is it so hard for you to answer questions directly and respond to clear Hadiths, instead of doing your utmost best to dodge and avoid everything in Sunni Islam that makes you feel uncomfortable?

Seriously Brother, what does my signature have to do with anything? Once again this is your attempt at dodging everything thrown at you. You don't have quested from Allah's book either...

I may have no quotes from Allah directly, but what is your point? How does that change the fact that as I said, our religion is based on the Oneness of Allah (swt) ? They are all in reference to Allah.

I quote my beloved Imam Al-Hussain because I think it is a beautiful statement about the Most Merciful, I quote Imam Ali because that is a line from one of the the most beautiful poems ever written, which explains to us that we need to focus our lives on Allah (swt) I quote the Holy Prophet, Ahmad because that is a beautiful piece of advice that leads one to developing a stronger relationship with Allah (swt) and finally on the path towards Jannah, inshAllah.

If you disagree with any of the above, then I'd describe you as more than lost.

Please show me evidence that our Imams names their sons Abu Bakr. Even they did, which I don't find it a hard thing to swallow, what does it have to do with anything?

According to your own books Muhammad said his own father will be in the fire (I am not sure how this is possible, considering to the best of my knowldge he was a Hanif (Believer in Monotheism, following the Relgion of Ibrahim & Isma'eel ))

So if the Prophet would say that, why could Imam al-Baqir say what he said about Abu Bakr??


As the Brother pointed out before, you guys have turned the Sahabah into infallible super humans who could do no wrong. Whenever you are presented with an Issue of theirs you do backflips in order to make it look better. In the case of Fadak, your own Hadiths state Fatimah (sa) died angry at Abu Bakr and didn't speak with him until she died.

You guys say Abu Bakr was right... He quoted the Prophet as saying: "Prophets do not leave behind inheritance." Well..
Ponder this:

Either the Prophet contradicted the Qur'an (astagfirallah) or Abu Bakr is a lying becuase you need to tell Prophet Dawud that he accidentally left his son Solomon an entire kingdom as inheritance...

May the blindfold be removed from you, inshAllah.

[adnan121]

Ali Musaaa , on 14 July 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Fatimah (sa) died angry at Abu Bakr and didn't speak with him until she died.

NO nO it doesnt say Fatime (sa) it says  Fatima

[Rasul]

Dagga, on 14 July 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

They are not divisions, we all follow the exact same articles of belief,

You forgot to mention that your Imams declared each other kafirs and according to Ahmad ibn Hanbal those who doesn't believe that 'Allah is young boy' - without beard with curly hair -  then they are Kafir!

Dagga, on 14 July 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

Is this why barely a tenth of Muslims believe in such a concept? Around 1.5 billion muslims around the world are 'arrogant and ignorant'.

Because 80% does not follow what Prophet left - 'Quran & Ahl al-Bayt '

Edited by Rasul, 14 July 2012 - 09:34 PM.

[Ali Musaaa :)]

adnan121, on 14 July 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

NO nO it doesnt say Fatime (sa) it says  Fatima

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[Rasul]

Dagga, on 14 July 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

Every sect of Shi'ism have their own hadiths to prove Imamate for that individual,

Now bring to us:

From every 'Shia sect' - Hadith Book and hadith that proves their leaders Imamat