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[Kismet110]

ateef, on 06 July 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

fatima better then maryam
umar aisha and abu bakr in helll
all come from foolish shia idealogy

Ateef, you're a weird person who wouldn't recognise Truth if it hit you square in the face:

Abdullah bin Abbas and others reports that when the following verse of the Holy Quran was revealed: "Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein." (Quran 42:23) a group of companions asked "O Messenger of Allah, who are those of your relatives whose love has been made obligatory on us by Allah?" The Prophet replied, "They are Ali, Fatima, Hassan, and Husayn."

Some hadith contain the words "and their sons," meaning Hassan and Husayn.The Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) said to Sayyida Fatima: "O Fatima, I give you the good tidings that Allah made you superior to all the women of the world, and made you the purest of all the women of Islam" (Bukhari and Ahmad); "You are (Fatima) the mistress of the women of all the worlds!" (Shifa).


Imam Musa Kadhim replied when asked about Abu Bakr and Umar: ‘They were kuffar upon them is lana’ah of Allah, the angels and all of the people. By Allah! Nothing of imaan entered the heart of any of them both. They were cheats, distrustful and hypocrites ‘til the angels of punishment took them to the place of humiliation in Dar ul Maqam.’

Al Kafi Volume 8 Page 125

ALI

[ateef]

You need classes on knowledge...

[HellHound]

^you need classes on methods to get your head out of the sand.

[ateef]

U were waiting arent u..cudnt come frm front...

I hope you had the classes of removing your head out of sand and you had fun..I do not need...

Anyways I told him because...A famous book doesnt mean thats enouf...You need many sources or have...

[Ameen]

ateef, on 06 July 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

Ask your  lost Shia...

fatima better then maryam


umar aisha and abu bakr in helll

all come from foolish shia idealogy

Foolish Shia ideolody??? Ok! Tell me about your ideolody. I would really like to know.

[HellHound]

Ameen, on 10 July 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Foolish Shia ideolody??? Ok! Tell me about your ideolody. I would really like to know.

I've coined a term for their ideology. It's called Sahaba Worship and Subconscious "Infallibification". They will attribute everything good to them, literally making them demigods, while taking everything positive about the Ahlul Bayt and flushing it down the toilet.

[Dagga]

Kismet110, on 06 July 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

Imam Musa Kadhim replied when asked about Abu Bakr and Umar: ‘They were kuffar upon them is lana’ah of Allah, the angels and all of the people. By Allah! Nothing of imaan entered the heart of any of them both. They were cheats, distrustful and hypocrites ‘til the angels of punishment took them to the place of humiliation in Dar ul Maqam.’

Al Kafi Volume 8 Page 125

ALI

LOOOOOL You dare quote Al Kafi, I can bring forth the many attributes Al Kafi give to the Imams that escalate them to Allahs level.

I've got a question for you, if they were indeed disbelievers then why do you use the Quran we use today when it was compiled by them?
Also it is PREPOSTEROUS to believe Musa Kadhim R.A said such a thing about his GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER.

Replicant, on 10 July 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

I've coined a term for their ideology. It's called Sahaba Worship and Subconscious "Infallibification". They will attribute everything good to them, literally making them demigods, while taking everything positive about the Ahlul Bayt and flushing it down the toilet.

Don't make stupid ridiculous claims every Sunni loves both the Sahaba and the Ahlul Bayt. Your religion is based on hatred not ours.

Ibrahim786, on 18 June 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

I swear by Allah swt that what the speaker says is what I believe - even more so since joining this forum. There is a constant obsession to degrade the sahabah and prove the superiority of ali ra and the ahlelbayt. To accuse the sahabah of the most filthy accusations as homosexuals and sexually devious (astaghfirrullah) clearly points to what the speaker is saying.

There is no doubt in my mind that many of the shia hate the sahabah more than they love the prophet pbuh or the ahlelbayt.

The way the sahabah are discussed here its as if they are worse than abu jahl, iblees, abu lahab, pharaoh etc etc.

How can you think its ok to abuse aisha ra ? do you not think the prophet pbuh loved aisha ra just like your own father loves your mother or just like you love your wife - would you take someone abusing your wife?

And the rewriting of history - its absolutely incredible and since I have joined this forum my opinion on shiasm has fallen than it was before.

All this in my opinion has led to less focus in shiasm to implement quran and sunnah in their lives.

however I still dont think many laymen want to destroy islam and quran/sunnah - its just out of their ignorance and brainwashed thinking that they are like this

Thank you.

Edited by Dagga, 11 July 2012 - 06:17 AM.

[Gepetto_Zapata]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

LOOOOOL You dare quote Al Kafi, I can bring forth the many attributes Al Kafi give to the Imams that escalate them to Allahs level.

I've got a question for you, if they were indeed disbelievers then why do you use the Quran we use today when it was compiled by them?
Also it is PREPOSTEROUS to believe Musa Kadhim R.A said such a thing about his GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER.



Don't make stupid ridiculous claims every Sunni loves both the Sahaba and the Ahlul Bayt. Your religion is based on hatred not ours.



Thank you.

Sure, you can say it's based on hatred if you want... Deep hatred for those who hurt the Prophet s. and his household s., hatred of hypocrisy, oppression and falsehood... It's something you should learn and be proud of, if you see the light that is...

Edited by Violently_Happy, 11 July 2012 - 06:57 AM.

[Ali Musaaa :)]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

LOOOOOL You dare quote Al Kafi, I can bring forth the many attributes Al Kafi give to the Imams that escalate them to Allahs level.

I've got a question for you, if they were indeed disbelievers then why do you use the Quran we use today when it was compiled by them?
Also it is PREPOSTEROUS to believe Musa Kadhim R.A said such a thing about his GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER.

Don't make stupid ridiculous claims every Sunni loves both the Sahaba and the Ahlul Bayt. Your religion is based on hatred not ours.

Thank you.

I tell you what, you got yourself some interesting views and opinions there. A strange way of looking at things as well & to top it off, quite an illogical argument.

Any Hadith that takes the Prophets or Imams of God to His level is rejected. Sure, there are some rediculous Hadiths floating around but we do not accept every single Hadith that is in the book.

Brother, don't threaten us with Hadiths. I & many others can bring many Hadiths from your own 'Sahih' collections to the table that would make your jaw hit floor. We are not the ones that, without question, accept every Hadith in our books.

In response to what you said about Imam Al-Baqir , imagine you are the decendant of Yazid, Joesph Stalin, Adolf Hitler or that Sadam idiot (La'na on them all). So, even though they were all horrible people you wouldn't speak bad of them or condem their actions simply because you are somehow related to them...? I don't think you pondered over what you said enough before posting.

So what if he was the decent of Abu Bakr? He was the direct decendant of the Holy Prophet and Ali, also Ibrahim & Ishmael as well. I still don't understand what point your making? If he was the decendant of Abu Bakr what does that prove? Literally nothing...

Our religion in based on the Oneness of Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, the Qur'an delivered by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sawa) and his Sunnah, which we learn from the very people who saw him every day of his life... His family

[Haydar Husayn]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

Also it is PREPOSTEROUS to believe Musa Kadhim R.A said such a thing about his GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER.

A true believer would not hesitate to say such a thing about one of his ancestors if it happened to be true.

Anyway, according to your authentic books of hadith, the Prophet said his own father was in Hell, so what importance does someone's great-great maternal grandfather have?.

Sahih Muslim Book 1, Number 0398:
Anas reported: Verily, a person said: Messenger of Allah, where is my father? He said: (He) is in the Fire. When he turned away, he (the Holy Prophet) called him and said: Verily my father and your father are in the Fire.

[HellHound]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

Don't make stupid ridiculous claims every Sunni loves both the Sahaba and the Ahlul Bayt. Your religion is based on hatred not ours.

Please make me understand your utterly indigestible concept of "love" for someone as well as his/her enemy and oppressor? Fatima died cursing Abu Bakr and Umar to be damned to hell, so how are you able to love them all?

Our religion is based on dissociation. Yours on the other hand, is based on a fairytale of a LaLa land where sahaba loved each other so much that they tried to kill each other and rape each others' widowed wives (ridda Wars), legitimized jealousy (Surah Tahrim and the incident of the honey), oppression and usurpation (Fadak) and numerous other "beautiful" acts...

[Ibrahim786]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

Thank you.

My pleasure

No offence to my shia brethern but I am more convinced than ever that shia islam is not the right path.

[muslimunity1]

Aslamalaykum,

@Ibrahim

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No offence to my shia brethern but I am more convinced than ever that shia islam is not the right path.

Who cares what you think, it doesn't effect or change the truth.

[Dagga]

In the space of 1400 years, Sunni Islam has grown from thousands to over 1.5 billion, where has Shia Islam barely makes 100 million, we can CLEARLY see where Allah's protection of unity lies.

@Ali Musaaa

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Our religion in based on the Oneness of Allah سبحانه وتعالى, the Qur'an delivered by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sawa) and his Sunnah, which we learn from the very people who saw him every day of his life... His family

We can CLEARLY see that from your beautiful signature, TWO quotes from Imams, ONE quote from the Prophet SAW and NONE from Allah swt (Quran).

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In response to what you said about Imam Al-Baqir

I'm pretty sure if Abu Bakr was what was stated above 50% of your imams wouldn't have named their sons Abu Bakr LOOOOOOOOL.

@ Replicant's Nemesis

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Please make me understand your utterly indigestible concept of "love" for someone as well as his/her enemy and oppressor? Fatima died cursing Abu Bakr and Umar to be damned to hell?

Our religion is based on dissociation. Yours on the other hand, is based on a fairytale of a LaLa land where sahaba loved each other so much

You summarised my point tbh, your one is based on hatred and mine is based on love. Doubt the prophet SAW daughter would says such things about her father's closest friends.

Edited by Dagga, 11 July 2012 - 12:12 PM.

[power]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

In the space of 1400 years, Sunni Islam has grown from thousands to over 1.5 billion, where has Shia Islam barely makes 100 million, we can CLEARLY see where Allah's protection of unity lies.

So, by your own definition Allah (swt) has protected Sunnism because they have grown in number"s, YET, Christianity is still a bigger religion that Islam and growing in numbers, SO, Allah IS ALSO PROTECTING CHRISTIANITY???

[Rasul]

Thousand and thousand Sunnis convert to Shiism - Just look at Egypt!

[Dagga]

power, on 11 July 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

So, by your own definition Allah (swt) has protected Sunnism because they have grown in number"s, YET, Christianity is still a bigger religion that Islam and growing in numbers, SO, Allah IS ALSO PROTECTING CHRISTIANITY???

Not MY definition, Ali Ibn Abi Talib K.A.W, please refer to Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 126. Christianity has existed for around 600 years more than Islam, we are getting there soon brother , the amount of Christians becoming Muslim everyday is amazing.

[Rasul]

Who was then Adam ? Not Muslim? What about Nouh ? Was he not Muslim?

Edited by Rasul, 11 July 2012 - 12:36 PM.

[Dagga]

Rasul, on 11 July 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

Who was then Adam ? Not Muslim? What about Nouh ? Was he not Muslim?

Yes they were, they believed in One God.

Edited by Dagga, 11 July 2012 - 12:38 PM.

[Rasul]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

Yes they were, they believed in One God.

So Islam existed before 'Christianity'

[power]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

Not MY definition, Ali Ibn Abi Talib K.A.W, please refer to Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 126. Christianity has existed for around 600 years more than Islam, we are getting there soon brother , the amount of Christians becoming Muslim everyday is amazing.

So, you have admitted that Christianity is a bigger religion, now, is Allah protecting christianity as they are bigger in number's??

[Dagga]

power, on 11 July 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

So, you have admitted that Christianity is a bigger religion, now, is Allah protecting christianity as they are bigger in number's??

how is he protecting their religion when thousands convert every year? I didn't 'admit' Christianity is a bigger religion, its fact lol. If you look at Christianity 100 years ago and then now we can see how it is decreasing

Rasul, on 11 July 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

So Islam existed before 'Christianity'

You're so stupid LOL

Edited by Dagga, 11 July 2012 - 02:00 PM.

[power]

Dagga, on 11 July 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

how is he protecting their religion when thousands convert every year? I didn't 'admit' Christianity is a bigger religion, its fact lol. If you look at Christianity 100 years ago and then now we can see how it is decreasing

Okay, i am going to move away from numbers of christianity, as you are not understanding my point.

However, how  many sect's there are within sunnism?

[Ameen]

Ibrahim786, on 11 July 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

My pleasure

No offence to my shia brethern but I am more convinced than ever that shia islam is not the right path.

You are more convinced that Shia Islam is not the right path??? Really??? Why??? And then tell me about what is the right path and how???

[Dagga]

power, on 11 July 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

Okay, i am going to move away from numbers of christianity, as you are not understanding my point.

However, how  many sect's there are within sunnism?

There are NO Sunni sects, rather we have different madhabs, and none of the madhabs differentiate in viewpoints of core islamic beliefs. But when we look at Shia Islam there are SO MANY sects.