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[Haydar Husayn]

I have to say I'm a little surprised to see Uthman al-Khamees saying something quite this dumb. I thought he had a bit more self-respect than that. This is nothing more than cheap propaganda for the Sunni masses.

[Nima]

Unfortunately, there is vmassivev propaganda going on nowadays about Shia Islam.I have man ySunni friends who have been to so-called lectures,( to learn about shia islam).The result is that they see us as kafir.

Edited by Nima, 19 February 2012 - 11:12 AM.

[kadhim]

Yup, they got us. Out to destroy the Quran and sunnah. That is exactly why we promote the same Quran and why our books present a substantially more detailed description of the sunnah.

Oh wait.

[Alejandro Sosa]

yeah the lecture was pretty stupid.

what do you think of Muhammad Al Arify, Hayder

[Haydar Husayn]

 Alf, on 19 February 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

yeah the lecture was pretty stupid.

what do you think of Muhammad Al Arify, Hayder

I haven't yet seen him say anything as obviously absurd as this, and he seems ok enough as a person. Obviously I don't share his beliefs, but I don't mind him too much as far as Sunnis go. That could all change if I see him saying something stupid like this though.

[Alejandro Sosa]

I actually really like Arifi. If he dropped the sahaba love he'd be a top man. He's a very charismatic speaker.

[Haydar Husayn]

 Alf, on 19 February 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

I actually really like Arifi. If he dropped the sahaba love he'd be a top man. He's a very charismatic speaker.

Yes, I agree, he is quite charismatic, but so are a lot of other people with incorrect beliefs.

[Hozin]

 Haydar Husayn, on 19 February 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Yes, I agree, he is quite charismatic, but so are a lot of other people with incorrect beliefs.

yeah, like Yasser al habeeb (oh wait, he's not really charismatic), Kamal al Hayderi, and pretty much anyone who supports calling on others besides ALlaah...

[Haydar Husayn]

 Hozin, on 19 February 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

yeah, like Yasser al habeeb (oh wait, he's not really charismatic), Kamal al Hayderi, and pretty much anyone who supports calling on others besides ALlaah...

Ok, if you want.

[joynal]

 kadhim, on 19 February 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Yup, they got us. Out to destroy the Quran and sunnah. That is exactly why we promote the same Quran and why our books present a substantially more detailed description of the sunnah.

Oh wait.

These are not the hypothetical questions you guys pose before us time and time again, but  these questions  require some serious answers from the Shia and please don’t brush these accusations  aside as propaganda. After all is your religion not based on cursing those whose company the Prophet ( PBUH) sort of his own freewill and even those whom He chose to make his family. You truly are misguided or we are the Umah of a misguided Prophet.

[Haydar Husayn]

 joynal, on 20 February 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

These are not the hypothetical questions you guys pose before us time and time again, but  these questions  require some serious answers from the Shia and please don’t brush these accusations  aside as propaganda.

You honestly think the goal of the Shia is to destroy the Quran and Sunnah? Honestly? That's why Shias pray, fast, read Quran, etc? Please be serious. It is your right to think we are misguided, but this accusation is completely absurd.

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After all is your religion not based on cursing those whose company the Prophet ( PBUH) sort of his own freewill and even those whom He chose to make his family. You truly are misguided or we are the Umah of a misguided Prophet.

So by this logic, the wives and companions of all prophets should be good too, since they chose them. And you would expect the children of prophets to be good too, since they were raised by them. However, we know this isn't the case.

How exactly was the Prophet supposed to know what people would do after his death? Do you believe he had ilm ul ghayb?

[pyaro]

Salaam Alaykum

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After all is your religion not based on cursing those whose company the Prophet ( PBUH) sort of his own freewill

First of all NO our faith isn't based on cursing people. Just because some Shi'as do doesn't make it a fundamental creed of Shiism.
If some Sunnis go blow themselves up does it make a belief of Sunnis to bomb themselves? Of course not!
And didn't the angels befriend Iblees out of their own free will when he was in paradise?
You are not a criminal and will not be ashamed until you commit an act of transgression in Islam! This is the justice of GOD and of HIS Messenger (saw).

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and even those whom He chose to make his family

Let me again remind you that Prophet Nuh and Prophet Lut chose women to make his own family. Yet the Quran is explicit in their misguidance despite being chosen by two great Prophets to be made as family!
Being a family does not gurruantee that you will never be led astray and will never lead others astray.

Yet there are plenty who we praise and love.
Companions such as Ammar Yaseer, Salman Farsi, Abu dhar Ghaffari e.t.c we do not even equal to their shoe laces or the dust underneath their feet!
These are companions who deserve paradise. Not those who ran away from the battlefields and brought innovations in religion!
If you wish to seek evidences for that your more than welcome to ask for them

[Kismet110]

 joynal, on 20 February 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

These are not the hypothetical questions you guys pose before us time and time again, but  these questions  require some serious answers from the Shia and please don’t brush these accusations  aside as propaganda. After all is your religion not based on cursing those whose company the Prophet ( PBUH) sort of his own freewill and even those whom He chose to make his family. You truly are misguided or we are the Umah of a misguided Prophet.

Did Allah (swt) make a mistake (perish the thought) by allowing Iblis to be amongst those who worship him? Did the Prophets Nuh and Lut know or not know their wives would be cursed an banished to Jahanum? The wives of Paak Nabi (saw) reprimanded in Sura Tahrim, was the Prophet (saw) not aware of their character?

You people are way too naive at times for your own good. If I went to a Shi'ah lecture and some speaker said xyz about sunnis that didn't seem to match my experience or seemed odd I'd ask him or at least go away and research amongst sunnis before taking it as gospel.

Not so most of you people. Mullah will tell you Shi'ah are xyz and that's it - job done, auto-pilot engaged, kafir appended to the name.

We send lana'at on those who opposed His (saw) will or usurped the rights of his aal . Lanaa't means to remove blessings from so and so, not swearing or abuse. You sunnis think we do it to antagonise you but my friend, you're WAY off the mark.

We do it because in our deen speaking the Truth is what was passed down by our Imams and if that Truth doesn't fit with the view of others you can 1. choose to ignore it, 2. research on the reasons why or 3. react blindly to it.

Majority of non-Shi'ah seem to be taking Option 3 above ...

ALI

[Kismet110]

^^^

The above is a valid point. We've never seen, met or heard the words of the Ahlulbayt yet we'd give our lives for them in an instant. These great sahaba were in their company constantly so for them it was not a great leap of faith to love and obey the Truth .

I'm not denigrating them in any way, they were blessed to not only be alive at that time but also recognise Haqq against the odds.

Allah (swt) grant them the greatest station close to Ai'ammah Masoom .

ALI

[___NAZM___]

 Alf, on 19 February 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

I actually really like Arifi. If he dropped the sahaba love he'd be a top man. He's a very charismatic speaker.

Are you talking about the same Arefi who said Ali sistani as Zindiq? The saudi one? one who spoke to incite sectarian fighting among Iraqis? and the same one who fire rocket towards yamani people?

[md. ammar ali]

i have heard the WORST thing(misconception)  about us from a sunni friend

that shias commit adultry in mosques after majalis

Allah swt please clear all these misconceptions about us and save them from hell fire

inshaallah

[Haydar Husayn]

 varun loves ahlulbayt, on 24 February 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

i have heard the WORST thing(misconception)  about us from a sunni friend

that shias commit adultry in mosques after majalis

Allah swt please clear all these misconceptions about us and save them from hell fire

inshaallah

Yeah, this is a common belief about Shias on the subcontinent apparently.

[Ibrahim786]

 Haydar Husayn, on 19 February 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

I have to say I'm a little surprised to see Uthman al-Khamees saying something quite this dumb. I thought he had a bit more self-respect than that. This is nothing more than cheap propaganda for the Sunni masses.

I swear by Allah swt that what the speaker says is what I believe - even more so since joining this forum. There is a constant obsession to degrade the sahabah and prove the superiority of ali ra and the ahlelbayt. To accuse the sahabah of the most filthy accusations as homosexuals and sexually devious (astaghfirrullah) clearly points to what the speaker is saying.

There is no doubt in my mind that many of the shia hate the sahabah more than they love the prophet pbuh or the ahlelbayt.

The way the sahabah are discussed here its as if they are worse than abu jahl, iblees, abu lahab, pharaoh etc etc.

How can you think its ok to abuse aisha ra ? do you not think the prophet pbuh loved aisha ra just like your own father loves your mother or just like you love your wife - would you take someone abusing your wife?

And the rewriting of history - its absolutely incredible and since I have joined this forum my opinion on shiasm has fallen than it was before.

All this in my opinion has led to less focus in shiasm to implement quran and sunnah in their lives.

however I still dont think many laymen want to destroy islam and quran/sunnah - its just out of their ignorance and brainwashed thinking that they are like this

[Thowra]

It's miracle to convince people like the poster above me.

[Haydar Husayn]

 Ibrahim786, on 18 June 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

I swear by Allah swt that what the speaker says is what I believe - even more so since joining this forum. There is a constant obsession to degrade the sahabah and prove the superiority of ali ra and the ahlelbayt. To accuse the sahabah of the most filthy accusations as homosexuals and sexually devious (astaghfirrullah) clearly points to what the speaker is saying.

There is no doubt in my mind that many of the shia hate the sahabah more than they love the prophet pbuh or the ahlelbayt.

The way the sahabah are discussed here its as if they are worse than abu jahl, iblees, abu lahab, pharaoh etc etc.

How can you think its ok to abuse aisha ra ? do you not think the prophet pbuh loved aisha ra just like your own father loves your mother or just like you love your wife - would you take someone abusing your wife?

And the rewriting of history - its absolutely incredible and since I have joined this forum my opinion on shiasm has fallen than it was before.

All this in my opinion has led to less focus in shiasm to implement quran and sunnah in their lives.

however I still dont think many laymen want to destroy islam and quran/sunnah - its just out of their ignorance and brainwashed thinking that they are like this

Well, I don't agree with all the things some Shias do, such as accusing people of sexual crimes with little solid evidence, or whatever. However, instead of assuming that Shias just blindly hate certain Sahaba and `Aisha for no reason, why don't you ask yourself why? Why is it these individuals that get singled out? If it was just hatred for its own sake, then why not hate all the Sahaba and all the wives of the Prophet ?

There are reasons for these things, even if you don't agree with them.

[89jghur32]

Can someone tell me what he's saying?  I've never had the patience to listen to this man, ever.

Also, al-Arifi seems like a nice guy and funny too.  However, he did call Sayyid as-Sistani a zindiq and a fajir in a khutba, which stirred up a lot of controversy.  Not to mention that he said we're a cancer in the umma in the same khutba, going off of memory.

[Darth Vader]

The Wahabi mullah and a disturbingly high number of men in today's world have abandoned logic, evidence, intelligent thought, human values and this is obvious by what they believe in, practice and things they say that are hollow, without logical or acceptable evidence.

For 1400 years they have been committing genocide of a people who existed centuries before their sects appeared, Shia genocide, based on nothing but hatred and jealousy. And its no surprise they haven't changed today. Man will always be man, there is no new man. Honestly I'm no longer interested in what they have to say. Seen it all and its slime. But they'll never stop. All I want is a chance with my Bren gun LMG when the Non-Shia / Zombie apocalypse happens and when they come looking for me, before I become a statistic in this 1400 year long degenerate, satanic worship of theirs.

However, what is critically important for Shiachat is to become able to differentiate between orthodox Sunni (who are nearly extinct like so many sects before them) and the "new Sunni" imposters a.k.a the Wahabi sects. This forum or perhaps a new one should be properly labelled in light of and after making that distinction. Otherwise its a big waste of time.

[Ibrahim786]

 Haydar Husayn, on 18 June 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

Well, I don't agree with all the things some Shias do, such as accusing people of sexual crimes with little solid evidence, or whatever. However, instead of assuming that Shias just blindly hate certain Sahaba and `Aisha for no reason, why don't you ask yourself why? Why is it these individuals that get singled out? If it was just hatred for its own sake, then why not hate all the Sahaba and all the wives of the Prophet ?

There are reasons for these things, even if you don't agree with them.

Little solid evidence??? not exactly an admonishment. how about saying there is no evidence and criticising other members for such stupid false accusations.

You do hate certain sahabah blindly. why? because you have been brainwashed into believing that the sahabah oppressed the ahlelbayt when historical facts does not back up what you believe. Its almost as if you only believe that ali ra was fighting in badr and uhud etc. The result of this blind hatred means that you lose out on the quran and sunnah as the speaker was implying as the sahabah were the ones who passed this on.

Yet do you not find it bemusing that you (in general terms) think you are a better muslim than them (lol) when even though some of you acceot their great and greater sacrifices for Islam than yourselves??

[Mehek]

 Ibrahim786, on 19 June 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

Little solid evidence??? not exactly an admonishment. how about saying there is no evidence and criticising other members for such stupid false accusations.

You do hate certain sahabah blindly. why? because you have been brainwashed into believing that the sahabah oppressed the ahlelbayt when historical facts does not back up what you believe. Its almost as if you only believe that ali ra was fighting in badr and uhud etc. The result of this blind hatred means that you lose out on the quran and sunnah as the speaker was implying as the sahabah were the ones who passed this on.

Yet do you not find it bemusing that you (in general terms) think you are a better muslim than them (lol) when even though some of you acceot their great and greater sacrifices for Islam than yourselves??

You mean all the verses which criticize the ugly bad Sahaba are to brainwash?

You mean all the hadiths in your books existing about Sahaba against Sahaba are to brainwash?

You mean Sunni historians such as Tabarri wrote history to brainwash?

You mean all those who converts to Shia the majority from Sunni are brainwashed including countries Such as Iran or on this forum?

[Ibrahim786]

 Mehek, on 19 June 2012 - 06:34 AM, said:

You mean all the verses which criticize the ugly bad Sahaba are to brainwash?

You mean all the hadiths in your books existing about Sahaba against Sahaba are to brainwash?

You mean Sunni historians such as Tabarri wrote history to brainwash?

You mean all those who converts to Shia the majority from Sunni are brainwashed including countries Such as Iran or on this forum?

with all due respect there is much more showing the opposite to be true - i.e. the quranic verses praising the sahabah as highlighted in the video above
there are many hadiths praising the sahabah and alhamdullah many more reverts in sunni islam.