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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:48 PM

View PostEnterMessage, on 19 February 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

lol well see it a bit like a job interview (and btw, this is based on my own experiences and where I think things went wrong or didn't happen etc). It's all about the first thing you say. The question about maghrib is good, then maybe you could proceed with a follow up question? How about:

-"salam. uh, what times maghrib?"
"w.s. its in 10 minutes."
-"oh, okay thanks. and um.. I'm not sure about this area, do you know where to find a nearby masjid or anywhere to pray?"
-"blablablabla"
-"ok I see, thanks it helped, because I'm a doctor working nearby and would like to have a masjid nearby for prayers. I'm Ali btw." - SMILE
Alternatively: -"ok I see, well thanks anyway... I'm asking because I'm a doctor working nearby and would like to have a masjid nearby for prayers. I'm Ali btw." - SMILE

WARNING: Don't SMILE and stop there while glaring at her, that would not only be weird, it would be scary! Continue with Code EaglePrey, i.e. ask her about her wali etc, or just be normal and continue with whatever you feel would be normal in that particular situation.


SO SORRY if this doesn't help, I'm trying my best to think of ways that wouldn't scare girls off. And btw, if they are stupid like me they wouldn't understand subtle hints, so don't take it as ignorance but rather... well, just try harder lol.
May Allah help you!

oh and:


Have you been to an entrepreneurs meetup? ;)


Salaam aleikom

I liked it..it sounds practical and realistic..you get my voice...and points 8/10 (need more polishing on how he goes on to introduce himself..)
and ranking..so far, 1st place B)

so, what do you think guys now?? have u got ur bravery boosted??
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 10:07 PM

View Posthaidernyc, on 19 February 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

lol ya know, british dudes have the upper hand when it comes to this kinda stuff.

this is what british dudes sound like:
[husky british voice]: salaam sistah, whah's theh izlaamic centah?" (wheres the islamic center)
lol
hahahahahahaha it's true!!! Sometimes when british people talk to me I'm like "sorry what? what?" And wonder what happend to his tongue, sounds like he's been to the dentist. When my class mates ask me if I've heard about some certain [title] I just tell them to spell it for me and I'll answer them lol but yeah I still love the accent!! :P

View PostInception, on 19 February 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

Salaam aleikom

I liked it..it sounds practical and realistic..you get my voice...and points 8/10 (need more polishing on how he goes on to introduce himself..)
and ranking..so far, 1st place B)

so, what do you think guys now?? have u got ur bravery boosted??

Thanks :D Yeah I too wonder if this is something guys would want to do, and how girls would respond to that. So far 3 girls positive about it and one guy frantically taking notes :P

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 03:24 AM

My advice would be to do what you wouldn't mind someone doing with/saying to your sister/mother/daughter/etc. that probably gets rid of all of the all-too-tempting pick-up lines.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 10:33 AM

View PostEnterMessage, on 19 February 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

hahahahahahaha it's true!!! Sometimes when british people talk to me I'm like "sorry what? what?" And wonder what happend to his tongue, sounds like he's been to the dentist. When my class mates ask me if I've heard about some certain [title] I just tell them to spell it for me and I'll answer them lol but yeah I still love the accent!! :P



Thanks :D Yeah I too wonder if this is something guys would want to do, and how girls would respond to that. So far 3 girls positive about it and one guy frantically taking notes :P

LMFAO. "like he's been to the dentist" :lol:

View PostIraqiShia, on 20 February 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

Guys just need to be relax, and it's ok if they practise some lines to begin with, but they should make it sound like they didn't studied their lines :P Just act natural and honest. I think many girls like honest guys, just be straight forward. And if you get nervous or something, just crack a joke lol. That should break the tension.
guy: salaam, when's maghrib?
girl: ws, its in 30 minutes.
guy: thanks... hey, sister, you look a bit pale... are you alright?
girl: yeah, i just have to make a speech in front of the entire ummah in 5 minutes.
guy: well, break a leg! and come to me afterwards. im a doctor, i'll have you fixed up in no time ;)
----------awkward silence---------------------

lol that should work juuuust fine :lol:

Edited by haidernyc, 20 February 2012 - 10:33 AM.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:57 AM

View Posthaidernyc, on 20 February 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

LMFAO. "like he's been to the dentist" :lol:


guy: salaam, when's maghrib?
girl: ws, its in 30 minutes.
guy: thanks... hey, sister, you look a bit pale... are you alright?
girl: yeah, i just have to make a speech in front of the entire ummah in 5 minutes.
guy: well, break a leg! and come to me afterwards. im a doctor, i'll have you fixed up in no time ;)
----------awkward silence---------------------

lol that should work juuuust fine :lol:
LOL I would've gone "omg a'outhubillah!!" and just turn away and leave, mainly not because of the "break a leg" but "I'll have you fixed up in no time", I find that line suspicious and would've thought "what a pervo" lol

Edited by EnterMessage, 20 February 2012 - 12:00 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2012 - 03:56 PM

Salam!

That was very funny!

No but seriously, what kind of topics do you speak about if you want to engage a discussion with a wonderful pious lady?  

Thanks!
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 04:56 PM

View PostSeekingtruth14, on 20 February 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Salam!

That was very funny!

No but seriously, what kind of topics do you speak about if you want to engage a discussion with a wonderful pious lady?  

Thanks!



This is difficult considering most Muslim girls woudln't really converse with a random guy unless there is a good and pressing reason to do so. I'm speaking from my own and my freinds' experience. If you want to talk to a girl, your best bet would be to contact her parents or brother. In this way, once the girl knows she has the blessing of her parents, then she will be able to talk to you freely (so long as you are not just trying to chat her up, but rather  you have intention of furthering the relationship).

once she feels comfortable talking to you, anything goes (obviously use common sense).

But, my point is that most women will not talk to random guys becuase they are culturally and religiously forbidden to do so. this will be made a lot easier if you first address the patriarch in her life.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 06:04 PM

hehe nice haidernyc

with me it will go like this

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guy: well, break a leg! and come to me afterwards. im a doctor, i'll have you fixed up in no time ;)
girl: hmm, why don't I break YOUR leg and call my brother afterwards. He's in kick boxing, he'll fix you up in no time ( ;) back at ya..)

----------awkward silence ----------------

Now, the guys are so warmed up and ready for that conversation, heheheh
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 06:07 PM

Yup agree with Faatima_ki_kaneez. And:
"what kind of topics do you speak about if you want to engage a discussion with a wonderful pious gentleman?"

What do you think? =)

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 06:16 PM

View PostEnterMessage, on 20 February 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

Yup agree with Faatima_ki_kaneez. And:
"what kind of topics do you speak about if you want to engage a discussion with a wonderful pious gentleman?"

What do you think? =)

the SAME I think...


girl: salaam, when's maghrib?
guy: ws, its in 30 minutes.
girl: thanks... (ready to go)
guy: thanks... hey, sister, you look a bit pale... are you alright?
girl: yeah, i just have to make a speech in front of the entire ummah in 5 minutes.
guy: well, break a leg! and come to me afterwards. im a doctor, i'll have you fixed up in no time ;)
girl: hmm, why don't I break YOUR leg and call my brother afterwards. He's in kick boxing, he'll fix you up in no time ( ;) back at ya..)

----------awkward silence ----------------

There is no hope!!!! :squeez:
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 06:33 PM

View PostEnterMessage, on 20 February 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

Yup agree with Faatima_ki_kaneez. And:
"what kind of topics do you speak about if you want to engage a discussion with a wonderful pious gentleman?"

What do you think? =)


I think I would have mercy, and spare his life by not talking to him.

Otherwise, I would be responding to his "did it hurt when you fell from heaven" line with "did it hurt when you met my brother" .

Besides, have yet to meet many "wonderful, pious gentlement" yet. I think you guys have too much faith in your own gender... :D

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 06:36 PM

Okey, I agree with you sister Faatima_ki_kaneez

But let say that the first stage was successful, the parents agreed and the discussion is about to begin. What should I talk about?

Well I have thought about three questions to ask this beautiful, pious lady. The questions are based on my deep thinking:

1. What do you like to do in your free time?

2. Do you believe that we will be blessed to witness the arrival of our beloved Imam (A.J)?

3. Do you believe that we will have the chance to be in the service of our beloved Imam (A.J)?

Am I thinking correct here?
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“Guide us to the straight Path, The Path who belongs to the ones whom You have Blessed” [1:6-7]

We pray to Allah (swt) to guide us to follow the path of the Blessed ones. By Allah, who are the Blessed ones??? Isn’t the Blessed ones Mohammed (S) and his beloved Household ?

“I am leaving for you two precious Elements that if you adhere to both of them you will never go astray after me. They are, the Book of Allah, and my Ahlul-Bayt. The Merciful has informed me that These two shall not separate from each other till they come to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 06:48 PM

View PostSeekingtruth14, on 20 February 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Okey, I agree with you sister Faatima_ki_kaneez

But let say that the first stage was successful, the parents agreed and the discussion is about to begin. What should I talk about?

Well I have thought about three questions to ask this beautiful, pious lady. The questions are based on my deep thinking:

1. What do you like to do in your free time?

2. Do you believe that we will be blessed to witness the arrival of our beloved Imam (A.J)?

3. Do you believe that we will have the chance to be in the service of our beloved Imam (A.J)?

Am I thinking correct here?

Okay, well you started with some pretty deep questions. Not that a good momina wouldn't love talking about that, but maybe just start with lighter questions like your first one. talk about each other's interests, work, personalities. Keep it light. maybe on the third or fourth meeting (if you end up meeting that many times) go with an interesting discussion on the Imam (A.J). you don't want to make her uncomfortable by jumping right into a discussion on the End of the World.

A good practice, I think, that will make any conversation a hit (regardless of topic) is the ability to listen and not talk too much. I know that many Muslim men take advantage of a girls shyness and coyness, and start rambling on about God knows what. Rather than getting on a pulpit, coerce her to talk.

But, number one rule is not to portray yourself as someone you are not. Don't tell her you love the idea of women working, and then forbid her from working after marriage. Don't tell her you are VERY religous if you are not. you'll ruin both of your lives. If she doesn't like you for you before marriage, there's a good chance she won't after.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 07:10 PM

hmm well I think these are good questions but in the case you describes, everyone knows about your intensions, so just go ahead and converse about things that you think are important issues in a marriage - dealbreakers etc - so you know if you truly want her or not. What she does in her spare time is good. The question about Imam Mahdi (A.J.) is... well it's a taste thing whether it makes the girl uncomfy or not, but I think it might not matter for you, I mean, you might not think it's a deal breaker just because she thinks the imam won't appear in our lifetime (or maybe it is a big deal for you? in that case, that's what you want to ask, in my opinion). Basically, just get to know if she has the attributes you're looking for - ask for them, or ask in such a way that you will get your answers from the way she answers, for instance you ask about the appearance of our imam (a.j.) but what you want to know is if her iman is strong enough that she doesn't fear it but is waiting for it, so even if she says no she doesn't believe we'll experience his return, she might show some sadness/frustration because of that.
What's not said often is as important as what's being said.


Other than that, just what sis Faatima said.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:06 AM

I agree with you Faatima_ki_kaneez and EnterMessage. I will definitely remember these important pieces of advice you have given me.

I must admit that I am not so good at having conversations. But understanding how a pious lady think will definitely help me understand how to keep a good conversation with her.
My absolute fear in such kind of conversations is the moments of silence. If I ask the lady about what she likes to do in her free time and the answer is short and ends quickly, then I think I will be stuck there. Any advice how to break the silence if there is no more questions to ask? And finally, how long should a conversation last? Should the conversation end when there are no more questions to ask?  

I won’t bother you with more questions dear sisters. Your help have been enormous. May Allah (swt) bless you for your efforts and shower His mercy upon you.
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“Guide us to the straight Path, The Path who belongs to the ones whom You have Blessed” [1:6-7]

We pray to Allah (swt) to guide us to follow the path of the Blessed ones. By Allah, who are the Blessed ones??? Isn’t the Blessed ones Mohammed (S) and his beloved Household ?

“I am leaving for you two precious Elements that if you adhere to both of them you will never go astray after me. They are, the Book of Allah, and my Ahlul-Bayt. The Merciful has informed me that These two shall not separate from each other till they come to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."
-Prophet Mohammed (S)

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:59 AM

View PostSeekingtruth14, on 21 February 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

I agree with you Faatima_ki_kaneez and EnterMessage. I will definitely remember these important pieces of advice you have given me.

I must admit that I am not so good at having conversations. But understanding how a pious lady think will definitely help me understand how to keep a good conversation with her.
My absolute fear in such kind of conversations is the moments of silence. If I ask the lady about what she likes to do in her free time and the answer is short and ends quickly, then I think I will be stuck there. Any advice how to break the silence if there is no more questions to ask? And finally, how long should a conversation last? Should the conversation end when there are no more questions to ask?  

I won’t bother you with more questions dear sisters. Your help have been enormous. May Allah (swt) bless you for your efforts and shower His mercy upon you.


I'm actually a journalism student, so i have alot of experienc with getting people to actually speak. i  have done countless interviews, often with people who REALLY didn't want to talk to me. So, my challenge was (and your challenge is) to carry on a conversation in a casual way to get the most use out of your time.  Basically, the following are tips i use when interviewing people.

First of all, come with a prepared list of questions. Like you did in a previous post, but broader and more generalized.  So, for example, you might say I want to talk about
  • her work
  • her interests
  • where she sees herself in 5 years as a career woman, as a person, as a muslima
  • her level of devotion.
So, basically, you've set a groundwork for exactly what you want to learn at the end of that conversation session (or interview).

In your case, come with a set of things you want to talk about for yourself that you think she'll find interesting/helpful (don't be arrogant, but helpful). So, maybe you want to talk to her about some of your shortcomings in faith, but struggle to regain devotion. Maybe you want to talk about your experience at work. you get the idea. the point of this is not so that you can go in, and bombard her with information about you, but rather so that you don't have an uncomfortable/awkward moment when the conversation goes back to you (which it is bound to).

Now, you are in the actual interview/conversation situation. There are many important things when conducting an interveiw. First of all, eye contact is very important. She wants to know you're speaking to her, not your shoes. It is important that you reinforce her answers with a nod, smile, etc so that she knows you are ACTIVELY listening, not pasively listening.

Now, since she might be too shy to start the conversation, you'll start. The important part of any interview (even your interview of your future partner) is to have a conversation, not interrogation. She has not commited any crimes, so you should not be bombarding her with question after question.

maybe, if you feel particularly uncomfortable or awkward, start by acknowledgeing the awkward situation. make a joke out of it. Lessen the tension. let her know that she is not the only one who is nervous. that it is normal.

So, you get to the actual conversation, after the usual small talk.

your first question should be something that you know will get her talking. So, dont' ask "so how are you today." the obvious answer is "fine, thanks." followed by an awkward silence.

Instead ask, "So, i heard that you love to read. I am actually always looking for good books, have any suggestions." Obviously, I don't know if she really does, but you get the point. Ask an open ended question which she will be forced to give a detailed answer.

Also, don't ask a loaded first question. So, don't take your first sip of tea, and go right into her beleifs in the Imam (AJ). start with a light question, and burry your heavier questions towards middle (not the end either because you don't want to leave a heavy impression. you want to end on a lighter note, too).

Key here is to give continuous positive reinforcement in the form of smiles, nods, small intejections of "oh yes, i loved that too," etc. Be an active listener. DO NOT simply sit there like a zombie, staring at her and waiting for your next question or your turn to talk.

Part of being an active listener and a good interviewer is to ask follow up questions. The key to good follow up questions is to be as casual as possible, don't be forced, and stay on topic for as long as possible. don't go from "what's your fav book" to "what is your ambition is life"

Also, don't randomly bring in yourself. What many people tend to do is listen to someone else's story half awake, and become animated and jump in when they see a perfect moment to interject their own personal story, thus derailing the conversation.

So, for example, lets say she gives a short answer of why you should read "To Kill A Mockingbird" (I use this becuase it's one of my personal favs).  you can say, "Oh, i love that book!" but don't derail the conversation by going into a personal story of how you, like the main character Atticus, also love law and how you decided at the age of 6 to become a lawyer. You have thus changed the subject from the book to yourself.

instead, say how you love that book as well, especially the main character atticus for his love of law. then ask why she loves the book so much. Again, this is a very delicate balance between talking and listening. The main goal is to get as much life out of each question, topic.

if this conversation is dwindling down, then move on. Give her chance to ask you a question. Maybe bring up something off of your list of questions to ask her or comments about yourself (again, don't be arrogant).  Maybe introduce your own interest (since you just talked about her love of reading) of mountain climbing (again, i'm guessing, go with it).

your list of questions, topics, icebreakers should prevent the conversation from ending uncomfortably soon.

I think the main piece of advice for any interview is don't feel burdened by having to ask or having to listen. Approach it with interest, and sincerity. If you do, then you won't feel like you're stuck there, but will atomatically continue the conversation on your own, naturally.

Best of luck!

Edited by Faatima_ki_kaneez, 21 February 2012 - 04:03 AM.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:42 AM

As many have saud the suggestions are hilarious.. but personally, I would feel completely uncomfortable if someone approached me...I guess the best thing if you have to ask a girl is best to go through her parents..and if you are having a converstaion with someone its always best to to have conversations on general things ie general islamic things such as islamic happenings around the world, to get her opinion and ideas on things, asking personal questions in the first meeting can become quite awkward,...

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:31 AM

well I am really besharam when it comes to marriage and if I like girl,I would straight go and ask her :D

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:30 AM

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