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[pinkyaliya]

What's the line
are their any signs that we must be aware of to determine if the noha is music because surely there is a line.

[Ruq]

Ive wondered about this too. I experience them as music tbh.

[S.hassan]

I treat debkas as music, that's the limit for me.

[Dawood]

According to ayatollah Sistani (haraam) music is that type which is suitable for entertainment gatherings right?

[Najafia.]

When a noha have different melodies it definitely reminds me of music, at that moment I feel that the noha doesn't make any sense. It has happened that my friend has listened to a noha JUST because she like the melodi and that the noha doesn't make any difference from the music. Well then you have to wonder what she feel about the content itself? The text itself, which really should send her a message?

Personally I prefer noha being read live, and not in a studio. One that is recorded in a studio usually remind me of music ..

[Maula Dha Mallang]

musical instruments = music
happy intention = music
haram words = music

its not brain surgery

[Dawood]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 07 January 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

musical instruments = music
happy intention = music
haram words = music

its not brain surgery

So all of Sami Yusuf's work is haraam because he uses a piano etc. to praise God?

[Dokhtar-e-Abbas]

I don't understand how can your "praise" God with something that He has ordained as Haraam!

[Sheraz]

Most of the knew noha recitors are giving it a musical side to Noha. Great shame.

@ Question regarding Sami Yousaf work: they are many other better ways to praise Allah.

[siraatoaliyinhaqqun]

Some noha recitors are pushing the limits. The lyrics don't make sense nor the tunes. My grandfather was a famous marsia recitor and he used to make sure it doesn't fit in a musical tune. It was much like crying and moaning with words in between which really made sense.

[Dokhtar-e-Abbas]

That's right Siraatoaliyinhaqqun ! Our grandfathers would recite the nauha as it ought to be and even cried while doing so..Unlike these new crop of Nauha khwan in the Asian Subcontinent who have become more like popstar figures; you have praises of Ahlul Bayt in the nauha along with lamenting and chest beating. I mean, the Ahlul Bayt were honorable and matchless people, why beat your chest about it???

I don't like this new generation of Noha recitors and have even lost the interest to be a part of such gatherings where people don't know what and for who they've gathered to?

[MorningLight]

I believe that if you're lost in the melody, rather than the masaib of the Ahlul Bayt, you should not listen to that noha.
But how exactly do we know whether a noha becomes music? Sometimes I think if we look at it honestly, we can instinctively tell whether it's haram or halal.

I too prefer hearing them live. Most often the new studio versions are auto-tuned and sound much too similar to music, they just make me feel uncomfortable

[asphyxiated]

If it contains instruments other than a basic drum, daff or chest beat, then I think it would classify as music. In terms of the rationale behind "amusement gatherings," I would put it into two categories:

i) Would the song you are listening to be the kind used at a club, party, dance or concert?
ii) Would the instruments you are listening to be the kind used at the above venues?

To be honest, I've been trying to avoid it all together. I don't have the time or energy to decipher. It's simply not worth it. I have a set of Qur'anic recitations and nohas that I listen to at the gym, with the latter usually carried by a very loud beating of the chest.

Edited by asphyxiated, 15 January 2012 - 09:05 PM.

[azaidi9406]

Hey guys.  I dont think a noha can ever become music as long as the intent is for it to be a noha.  Dont be so focused on the technicalities of our religion.  Think why is music haraam and why is it especially haraam during Muharram.  As long as a Noha is written to remember the Ahlul Bayt it is a noha.  As long as a person listens to a noha with the sole intent of remembrance of the Ahlul Bayt it is a noha.  Remember that in Islam, Gunah and sawab is given based on intent; not outcome.

[bitto]

As salaam alaikum

   Actually let me know first which noha are you mentioning here and please mention the name of nohakhwan ,so that necessary changes can be brought about if possible.If you are blaming all new nohas and all new nohakhwan s then dear probably you need to analyse your lifestyle in greater detail .It generally means that you are exposed to too much music in your life.Please reduce the total music in your life by atleast 72 hours in the months preceding Muharram .This will help you a lot.Further specify exactly which instrument did make you feel so.

In many places including Iran and Iraq ,drums were used on noha wordings.So it just got modernized like we all got modernized .So it is the complete society that is to be blamed,not just noha reciters.  It is mainly the community at large to be blamed.Nohakhwans did not modernize the complete society.It is just an outcome of bad modernization.