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[Basim Ali]

kingpomba, on 27 December 2011 - 02:55 AM, said:

Are you seriously comparing homosexuality to ... rape?

The last three things are offenses inflicted by one person onto another against their will and this is quiet clearly wrong.

Homosexuals don't inflict their homosexuality onto others against their will. It's quite clearly a different belief.

The last three are crimes against other unwilling people and are quite clearly wrong, independant of a lot of belief systems. These crimes against other unwilling people who have been deprived of their liberty to act how they like personally should be punished by the state.

However, wheres the crime in someone being homosexual against no choice of their own? They don't hurt other people with it. They don't inflict things unto other people unwillingly, its carried out between adults who know whats going on and consent. Where’s the obvious crime? Is this really as bad as depriving someone else of their liberty and inflicting adverse conditions onto them against their will? Quite clearly not.

You missed the point... completely.
Those were three examples. Let me give you more.

What about incest? It's uncommon but not non-existent and is also illegal in most (all?) countries. People are born with tendencies to sleep with their own family members. Watchya gonna do about it?
Also, bestiality. Animals will enjoy intimate behavior with species and non-species because at the end of the day they're animals and there are not many things more enjoyable to them than copulation. You have their 'required consent' which is what I believe is your criterion for something to be legal and morally OK. You're keeping everyone happy (with the added bonus of being environmentally friendly since you're keeping animals happy too) and you now have a blank cheque to do whatever you think is best.

Oh and let us not forget the fundamental problem that has been marring the Western society for decades; under-age sex. 18 is just a number. Kids can mature long before that age mentally (or conversely not have any sense of direction even years after they become 18). The only thing that's stopping them are state laws. Maybe soon we can have a bill that grants children with high IQs and good grades 'the right' of choosing their own sexual partner. That'll spare parents the trouble of forcing their kids to study too. Brilliant!


As for the argument that animals show homosexual behavior too, it's the flimsiest, stupidest, dumbest argument in favor of homosexuality I've ever heard. Animals will engage in intercourse whenever they want, with whoever they want and in whatever way they want for the reason given above. If you've also failed to notice, animals also run around naked and fight like hell for territorial rights. Some animals also show cannibalism. Oh and I've personally seen a chimpanzee pee into another one's mouth in a zoo. It is ultimately our choice if we want to act like sane humans, or like animals.

[iDevonian]

Basim Ali, on 06 June 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

You missed the point... completely.
Those were three examples. Let me give you more.

What about incest? It's uncommon but not non-existent and is also illegal in most (all?) countries. People are born with tendencies to sleep with their own family members. Watchya gonna do about it?
Also, bestiality. Animals will enjoy intimate behavior with species and non-species because at the end of the day they're animals and there are not many things more enjoyable to them than copulation. You have their 'required consent' which is what I believe is your criterion for something to be legal and morally OK. You're keeping everyone happy (with the added bonus of being environmentally friendly since you're keeping animals happy too) and you now have a blank cheque to do whatever you think is best.

Incest is illegal?  Last I checked, in many countries people can marry close relatives.  Maybe Islam is strict on how they define incest though.  Animals often do not have sex for pleasure, so you wouldnt necessarily be making them happy. And of course many animals do not have a mind like we do.  Most animals wouldnt even realize what they were doing at all.  Also, attraction amongst gays is far more common, for obvious reasons, than cross species sex. And even further, cross genus sex.  So, you cant really justify the comparison of homosexuality to beastiality.

Basim Ali, on 06 June 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Oh and let us not forget the fundamental problem that has been marring the Western society for decades; under-age sex. 18 is just a number. Kids can mature long before that age mentally (or conversely not have any sense of direction even years after they become 18). The only thing that's stopping them are state laws. Maybe soon we can have a bill that grants children with high IQs and good grades 'the right' of choosing their own sexual partner. That'll spare parents the trouble of forcing their kids to study too. Brilliant!

Thats not a fundamental problem? Thats called protecting young women.  Is this not a law in other countries too?  What kind of country allows a 13 year old to consent to sex?  A girl so young that she knows nothing about life...and yet she is supposed to be wise enough to make choices about having children of her own? haha. Any country with such a law is probably dooming its future generation. Either that or bringing itself toward poverty due to having too many kids and not having money to take care of even more.  Parents can only handle so much.

Basim Ali, on 06 June 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

As for the argument that animals show homosexual behavior too, it's the flimsiest, stupidest, dumbest argument in favor of homosexuality I've ever heard. Animals will engage in intercourse whenever they want, with whoever they want and in whatever way they want for the reason given above. If you've also failed to notice, animals also run around naked and fight like hell for territorial rights. Some animals also show cannibalism. Oh and I've personally seen a chimpanzee pee into another one's mouth in a zoo. It is ultimately our choice if we want to act like sane humans, or like animals.

Animals also fight like hell for territorial rights?  haha, doesnt that sound familiar . I could cut on the news and see that in humans right now.  Animals engage in cross species/genus sex far less than homosexual sex.

The point here though...is that animals practice homosexual acts, demonstrating that there are natural interests that some have in the same sex. And that there is nothing inherently evil about it.  Its just how animals were made.  And for those who recognize that humanity is a species of animal as well...understands that homosexual humans too, are not inherently evil, nor is following their naturally given interests, evil either.

If it were truly a sin to have sex with people whom you were created to have interest in, then indeed, it would be torture.  If God were to create a homosexual person, then to forbid them to have sex or they would burn for eternity.  Imagine if you a male and couldnt have sex with a female, or you would burn for eternity.

Doesnt sound very merciful to me.

[Shia_Debater]

iDevonian, on 06 June 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

If it were truly a sin to have sex with people whom you were created to have interest in, then indeed, it would be torture. If God were to create a homosexual person, then to forbid them to have sex or they would burn for eternity. Imagine if you a male and couldnt have sex with a female, or you would burn for eternity. Doesnt sound very merciful to me.

Shia_Debater, on 27 December 2011 - 05:29 PM, said:

There are many trials different people go through (in my opinion), for example lets say I want to get married all my life and no one wants to marry me (whether it be permanent marriage or temporary [Mutah]), then I too, even though I am straight, would not be able to act on my desires,and would be "lonely" all my life as all the other ways of acting on my desires would be haram i.e. committing sex outside of marraige, masturbation etc..

however the reason why I personally wouldnt see it as being lonely, is because I would acknowledge that when I die I would get a reward in return for this "loneliness" that I went through, sure I may not have asked for it, however God knows better than us, I am sure that if you did believe in heaven and hell, and you were either straight or gay but never managed to get a partner (either due to someone not wanting to marry you [straight] or it being haram [gay]) and you acknowledged that God would reward you with something massive in return, then even if you did mind, after you died and got that massive reward you would be happy.

This post was to someone else saying about how someone would be "lonely" so just change that to someone going through "torture" for it to make more sense in the context of me quoting you.

[iDevonian]

Shia_Debater, on 08 June 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

There are many trials different people go through (in my opinion), for example lets say I want to get married all my life and no one wants to marry me (whether it be permanent marriage or temporary [Mutah]), then I too, even though I am straight, would not be able to act on my desires,and would be "lonely" all my life as all the other ways of acting on my desires would be haram i.e. committing sex outside of marraige, masturbation etc..

however the reason why I personally wouldnt see it as being lonely, is because I would acknowledge that when I die I would get a reward in return for this "loneliness" that I went through, sure I may not have asked for it, however God knows better than us, I am sure that if you did believe in heaven and hell, and you were either straight or gay but never managed to get a partner (either due to someone not wanting to marry you [straight] or it being haram [gay]) and you acknowledged that God would reward you with something massive in return, then even if you did mind, after you died and got that massive reward you would be happy.

The problem here is, nobody really knows anything about these "trials", or why God supposedly uses them.  And often muslims say "God knows better than us".  That just sounds like an excuse.  "Well, I dont know, God did it!".  And thats that.

So, if that is the ultimate answer to explain why people suffer in life "well, i dont know, God did it", then it is what it is. But i cant imagine too many people would be settled with this answer.

[samarobin0]

Our sexuality and the way our hormones work along with how our brain functions are really just mysteries to us... there are rules, yes. there are reasons for these rules, yes. but its really hard to deny that homosexually is NOT a natural thing because in some cases of transvestite people it is God who create them this way. When a male is born into a male body but his frontal lobe operates as a women's brain, this is a mystery. Maybe we are not suppose to understand everything.. maybe we are not suppose to say YES or NO.. this is not our job to judge its only our job as people to guide, no matter who u are.

[Goku]

Jungie, on 06 June 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

So its impossible to be born a homo?

Everything has to do with the wiring of the brain. What if homosexuals have a slightly different wiring - maybe some sort of faulty gene that makes them born homosexual?

[covertiman]

Goku, on 09 June 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Everything has to do with the wiring of the brain. What if homosexuals have a slightly different wiring - maybe some sort of faulty gene that makes them born homosexual?

This has not been scientifically proven yet. And if this were true, then why would Allah swt punish homosexuals because they nervous system is wired differently than the norm. This is a question I posed earlier, according to Islam is homosexuality more environmental and personal decisions rather than anatomical?

[Ruq]

Basim Ali, on 06 June 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Also, bestiality. Animals will enjoy intimate behavior with species and non-species because at the end of the day they're animals and there are not many things more enjoyable to them than copulation. You have their 'required consent' which is what I believe is your criterion for something to be legal and morally OK. You're keeping everyone happy (with the added bonus of being environmentally friendly since you're keeping animals happy too) and you now have a blank cheque to do whatever you think is best.

Salams. That animals enjoy being sexually abused is not an established fact  that im aware of, so rather than take your word for it youll have to cite some evidence. Animals do not give you permission to sexually use them because they arent cognisant that that is happening, much like a baby or child, so unless it is feeling physical discomfort it is likelyto remain passive. A person could argue that because a child or animal is unaware, abuse is not taking place because it is not experienced as abuse (although if a child grows up and retains a memory or is told of the abuse it can then experience the abuse in a secondary mental/emotional way). But that is before we look at what acts of abuse are doing to the abuser also. Half of the abuse story is the affect of the abusers actions on theselves. What ever we do to abuse, we do to ourselves also. Maybe we have a moral obligation to not abuse or neglect our own welfare by abusing and neglecting the welfare of others.

[Shia_Debater]

iDevonian, on 09 June 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

The problem here is, nobody really knows anything about these "trials", or why God supposedly uses them.  And often muslims say "God knows better than us".  That just sounds like an excuse.  "Well, I dont know, God did it!".  And thats that.

No, the problem here is that you [and I don't mean this in a harsh way - sorry if it comes across as that] dont know (or believe) anything about these trials or why God grants us trials, whereas we as muslims believe there a number of reasons why God grants us trials. For example, so we can overcome them and reach nearer to him, so it can be a means of expiation for our sins (and more reasons)

You're looking at it from a non Islamic point of view, whereas we are talking about muslims who would want to have same sex relations (which is haraam therefore they cant) therefore you have to look at it from an Islamic point of view - which is to be patient and go through the struggle and you will be rewarded in the after life insha'Allah

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So, if that is the ultimate answer to explain why people suffer in life "well, i dont know, God did it", then it is what it is. But i cant imagine too many people would be settled with this answer.

Again, you are looking at it from a non Islamic point of view. From an Islamic point of view, the reason why we suffer in this life (as I mentioned above) could be due to a number of reasons for example expiation for our sins, so we reach nearness to God, so our patience increases (and more reasons)

I imagine many if not all muslims would be/are satisfied with the answer that we will be rewarded for our struggles and tests of this life, in the next life

[iDevonian]

Shia_Debater, on 10 June 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

No, the problem here is that you [and I don't mean this in a harsh way - sorry if it comes across as that] dont know (or believe) anything about these trials or why God grants us trials, whereas we as muslims believe there a number of reasons why God grants us trials. For example, so we can overcome them and reach nearer to him, so it can be a means of expiation for our sins (and more reasons)

You believe you do, but every time an actual discussion is raised on it, no muslim can stand up to the challange. And these discussions have happened a few times in the interfaith area of this site, though I have not seen you participating in them.

[Shia_Debater]

iDevonian, on 11 June 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

You believe you do, but every time an actual discussion is raised on it, no muslim can stand up to the challange. And these discussions have happened a few times in the interfaith area of this site, though I have not seen you participating in them.

Can you direct me to a few threads please, I'd be interested in reading through.

Yeah I don't participate in the interfaith area much, I have a bit in the past but my knowledge is low so then I end up leaving the discussion cos I have nothing else to add.

[Asr]

There is nothing 'natural' about it. Just because you have the 'urge' it doesnt mean its legit. Its a perverted form of urge that may need help and guidance, as do other perversions.

People have all sorts of struggle with urges, the idea is to learn to control as oppose to act on them and then justify it as the norm. That is the main problem here.

[Basim Ali]

~Ruqaya, on 10 June 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Salams. That animals enjoy being sexually abused is not an established fact  that im aware of, so rather than take your word for it youll have to cite some evidence. Animals do not give you permission to sexually use them because they arent cognisant that that is happening, much like a baby or child, so unless it is feeling physical discomfort it is likelyto remain passive. A person could argue that because a child or animal is unaware, abuse is not taking place because it is not experienced as abuse (although if a child grows up and retains a memory or is told of the abuse it can then experience the abuse in a secondary mental/emotional way). But that is before we look at what acts of abuse are doing to the abuser also. Half of the abuse story is the affect of the abusers actions on theselves. What ever we do to abuse, we do to ourselves also. Maybe we have a moral obligation to not abuse or neglect our own welfare by abusing and neglecting the welfare of others.

Wait... define 'sexually abused'. So lets suppose a human entering an animal against its will is abuse. However, if the reverse happens, would it still count as abuse?

As for whether animals enjoy it or not is open for debate. Since it'd be inappropriate to discuss the taboo and disgusting topic of bestiality, let's not make this a debate about that. But be assured that both sides have their arguments. If you wish to know about scientific reports and analysis on the issue I'll PM them to you. But I'm not discussing this further here.

[AlphaMale_ASAD]

This post is ridicolous. This shouldnt even be a discussion. Quran and the story of the prophet lut saws make this very clear. Homosexualilty is not something your born with, stop bringing up this topic. If something is haraam it is haraam. no matter how many times you wanna reshape, recreate, relook at it. ITS HARAAM AND YOU WILL GO TO HELL FOR IT. enough said. Allah swt wiped a city out. i think this is more than enough.

[Abu Hadi]

There is a hadith from Imam Sadiq(a.s). Someone asked him(a.s) the difference between angels, humans, and animals.
He(a.s) said, 'Angels were created with intellect(aql) and no desire(hawa), animals were created with desire(hawa) and no intellect(aql).
Humans were created with both intellect(aql) and desire(hawa). So whoever allows his intellect to overcome his desire is higher than the angels and whoever allows his desire overcome his intellect is lower than the animals.' [end of hadith]

So the urge to have a sexual or intimate relationship with a man (that includes things only done with your wife) is from desire (hawa) and not intellect(aql). So whoever lets this desire overcome their intellect (every monotheistic religion says that homosexuality is wrong and against the laws of God and human nature) is lower than the animals. Qualitatively, there is not much of a difference between submitting to this desire and submitting to other haram acts such as adultry and drinking alcohol, except that God destroyed an entire nation (the nation of Lot) for committing this act and the account of this destruction survives in the Quran, the Bible and the Torah up to this day.

Edited by Abu Hadi, 16 July 2012 - 07:41 PM.

[Alizee Sukeyna]

I can't speak for anyone else, but let me tell you about me. Please read the whole thing before passing judgement...you may be surprised.
I was an openly sexually questioning (I say this because I would flip-flop from thinking I was a lesbian to briefly wondering if I was bisexual and back again) young woman for close to ten years. I dated both guys and girls and had intense feelings for both. The only difference is that I would lust over women sexually in a way I wouldn't find myself looking at men all too often.
However, the more I read the Qur'an and discuss God the less sure I am about how I feel about myself. Instead of welcoming those urges I'm finding myself shunning them...which, in a way, makes me sad because it was a part of me I was proud of and really embraced. Now I'm wondering if it was only out of fear of men that I turned to women. This is not the first time I've had this thought, but it's the first time I've ever felt like not being gay actually could be the truth.
I will not pretend to be one of those "ex-gays". Like a very wise poster on the first page said, discussing whether homosexuality is genetic or if it comes from our surroundings is for a different day. I only speak about myself and how I feel. I don't know if I was born with the desire to be with other women or if it came about because of things that have happened to me and my inability to cope with them. I will not dispute whether homosexuality in general is real or not, or whether others are naturally gay. I will back up the statement, however, that homosexual behavior does occur in the animal kingdom.
What IS certain, however, is that homosexual acts are absolutely, 100%, without a hint of doubt, haraam. It's not a pretty thing for someone with feelings like me to hear, but it's true. And if you say otherwise, you are twisting the words of the Qur'an to suit your own desires. Anyone who says that Allah accepts gays is not being honest about what they've read.

[saza1328]

It's fine for someone to have certain homosexual desires as long as they don't act on them.  I have ran into homosexual muslims who understand their problem and seek help.  Many of them got married and are able to live a happy life.  I think communities should understand that there will be muslims out there with these desires and be open enough for them to feel comfortable to help them.  Because without help these people might go off and commit sins.

[Haydar Karrar]

Guys, guys, guys

Homosexuality usually happens for 2 reasons and they both have cures....sociecty and stubbornness

Society for example the ancient Greeks promoted homosexuality, so this had effects on those teenagers developing. Other societies promote the same....the cure for this is to stay or move to a different community where this is frowned upon.....live there a while and in time this will have effect on your sexuality and your views will be a little more "heterosexual".

Stubbornness.....a small amount of boys when developing tend to look at "hot" men as a form of idolizing..they see him and his body and want to be like him, thus developing feelings (sexual) for him. As they grow older, naturally the would get over this but stubbornness keeps them from doing so....either they don't give effort or they don't want to change....the cure to this is the same cure for normal stubbornness....there are many, just google cures for stubbornness.

One must also fix his life.....be a bit more religious, start to pray and fast and also take action like I mentioned above....Inshallah it will help those who suffer from this.......or else......DEATH!!! mwahahahahah mwaha mwha mwhahahah

[Goku]

Why does this topic even exist? Homosexuality is clearly forbidden... I don't understand why it takes 3 pages on something that is forbidden. Even if it was something natural, it will still take you to hell. It could be an animilistic desire in some people though it still sinfull.

[sayed hussein almousawi]

homosexuality is a mental illness brother just like anxiety and depression. i heard from some muslims if someone is a homosexual he cannot commit any sexual act with another male, plus that male would get more hassanat for not committing the haram act.

[Abu 3antar]

sayed hussein almousawi, on 31 July 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

homosexuality is a mental illness brother just like anxiety and depression. i heard from some muslims if someone is a homosexual he cannot commit any sexual act with another male, plus that male would get more hassanat for not committing the haram act.

Homosexuality doesn't exist. There's the natural way of a man loving a woman and a woman loving a man. That's the nature of humans. Then there's the act of Sodomy which is an un natural act against humanity.

No one is born homo, no one i born straight nor bi. There's the natural way of reproduction and there're people committing sodomy. Those kinds of disgraceful people are the so called "homosexuals". In reality every human is born normal or as they say in the west "heterosexual".

Then, depending on standards and influences, people learn to like different genders. But in no way can someone be born a homosexual.

[ajmalnijat]

I know this is a debate that has gone on for a while now. However, if I may humbly present some of my own views on the matter. Please, bear with me.

Before I gave homosexuality a closer look, I had already attempted to understand the somewhat corny issue of “love”. And I find great similarities between the two. It is important to note that I do not use the word “love” here to suggest the love between parents and their children, siblings, etc.

Now, from what I’ve known.. there is nothing eternal or unchangeable about any object of love. To clarify, I don’t believe someone when he/she says that they cannot live without a certain someone or that they were made for each other. I also do not believe that they can’t fall in love with someone else (there will be explainable exceptions here, but I’m trying to keep this short. For now, I only hope for the gist of my argument to be followed).

At the root of such “love”, is the desire to love. At the root of such love, is the choice or the decision to love one particular person, a choice that we like to cover up with whatever psychological resources we have.

People who are in such forms of “idealistic love” deny it is so. They feel that they have no choice when it comes to loving a certain person. But, that is not true. People let themselves go. As soon as a candidate for love arrives, they begin to entertain the idea of loving them. They say to themselves, why not? Or wow!! They obsess over it. They like to play with the idea that they are in love. They want to love and they willingly submit to their desires. Love is fantasized in most societies around the modern world, and everybody wants to have a piece of it. Some may identify with romantic figures from history or fiction. And so on and so forth.

Most people have invested deeply in such conceptions of “love” and as such they resist the idea that their love is not so ideal or so natural. And this is human. Psychological manipulation; distortion; defending their personal views; wanting to do what they want to do and so rationalizing it, is very natural to human beings.

Anyway, it is my belief that homosexuality also involves a similar choice. To be honest, I will have a very hard time trying to convince any gay person. I will also have a very difficult time convincing those who support gays. Precisely, because the nature of the subject is such that it can be easily denied. But, I’ve come to believe that there is a flaw to the idea that “homosexuals were naturally so since birth”.

I read in one of the previous posts that human sexuality has no limits, and I agree. Whether it is heterosexuality, homosexuality, incest, or whatever it is they do with animals, the human mind is capable of imagining the satisfaction of sexual urges through any of these means. Every human mind. If they think and consider it, will it, and are allowed to do so, they all can do either or all of those things.

A homosexual is just one person who imagines it. The homosexual has made a choice, maybe earlier on in his life, but he hasn’t been born with it. He followed his mind wherever it took him. His mind took him to homosexuality, he accepted the idea, he identified with it and he’s been rationalizing it ever since.

That said, I might think that it is possible for, at least, some homosexuals not to be aroused by the opposite sex at all. They have probably developed a sexual preference and their minds are probably not trained to be aroused by those of the opposite sex. They may even be repulsed by the thought of sexual relations with members of the opposite sex. However, I also believe that they can be trained or that they can train themselves to let go of the previous preferences and develop newer ones in the same way many psychological issues are handled.

Anyway, in my mind, what’s left to answer is why heterosexuality is the only form of socially/religiously acceptable way to satisfy our sexual urges. I do not have enough knowledge about these matters, but I might list some probable reasons and be guided by others.

Incest – Excessive inbreeding? Also, from a sociological perspective, I’ve read that the reasons the Americans and other western societies do not marry even among cousins is “disruption”. To allow it, would lead to great rivalries within the family.

Homosexuality – Imam Jafar e Sadiq (A.S) stated with regard to gays (males) that it leads to them becoming feminine, which may not be a particularly desirable feature in men who are meant to provide for and protect their families. Also, it doesn’t support the family system espoused by Islam. It does not lead to the furthering of one’s progeny (which provides great meaning to people’s lives), so many Fathers may be disappointed to hear their sons/daughters are gay and we hope we’re not one of them. To deem it acceptable means many more will turn to it, keeping in mind the convenience of satisfying sexual urges without the trouble of having kids. Again, these are probables.


Thanks for reading my post.
Allah Hafiz.

[Hoper]

Alizee Sukeyna, on 17 July 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

I can't speak for anyone else, but let me tell you about me. Please read the whole thing before passing judgement...you may be surprised.
I was an openly sexually questioning (I say this because I would flip-flop from thinking I was a lesbian to briefly wondering if I was bisexual and back again) young woman for close to ten years. I dated both guys and girls and had intense feelings for both. The only difference is that I would lust over women sexually in a way I wouldn't find myself looking at men all too often.
However, the more I read the Qur'an and discuss God the less sure I am about how I feel about myself. Instead of welcoming those urges I'm finding myself shunning them...which, in a way, makes me sad because it was a part of me I was proud of and really embraced. Now I'm wondering if it was only out of fear of men that I turned to women. This is not the first time I've had this thought, but it's the first time I've ever felt like not being gay actually could be the truth.
I will not pretend to be one of those "ex-gays". Like a very wise poster on the first page said, discussing whether homosexuality is genetic or if it comes from our surroundings is for a different day. I only speak about myself and how I feel. I don't know if I was born with the desire to be with other women or if it came about because of things that have happened to me and my inability to cope with them. I will not dispute whether homosexuality in general is real or not, or whether others are naturally gay. I will back up the statement, however, that homosexual behavior does occur in the animal kingdom.
What IS certain, however, is that homosexual acts are absolutely, 100%, without a hint of doubt, haraam. It's not a pretty thing for someone with feelings like me to hear, but it's true. And if you say otherwise, you are twisting the words of the Qur'an to suit your own desires. Anyone who says that Allah accepts gays is not being honest about what they've read.

Salam Aleikum!

MashAllah what a courageous attitude, not many people have the heart to admit they are on the wrong side of issues, especially in regards with such a sensitive issue.  The interesting thing is that as far as I heard being a Lesbian is a lesser punishment in Sharia law than gay man, I wonder why if this is true? I think it is because gay man would have a more devastating effect on society, but only Momeen psychologist can answer this question in full.

I would like to know when you were attracted to women was it a similar urge when you were attracted to men? You said that you feared man, is it because a man has done something bad to you?

[Alizee Sukeyna]

^ Salaam!
More than one man, yes. I was abused sexually throughout childhood and young adulthood by someone in my family. I've done a lot of healing though and getting past it gets easier with age (and with the love of Allah (swt)    )
The urges I had (or rather, have. I still fight them) for women are rather like the ones for men, yes. They are much, much more sexually motivated though.
If you have any other questions, feel free to ask either on here or in a PM. I'm an open book and I don't mind giving people insight into my mind and how it works.
- Sukeyna

[Hoper]

Alizee Sukeyna, on 06 August 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

^ Salaam!
More than one man, yes. I was abused sexually throughout childhood and young adulthood by someone in my family. I've done a lot of healing though and getting past it gets easier with age (and with the love of Allah (swt)    )
The urges I had (or rather, have. I still fight them) for women are rather like the ones for men, yes. They are much, much more sexually motivated though.
If you have any other questions, feel free to ask either on here or in a PM. I'm an open book and I don't mind giving people insight into my mind and how it works.
- Sukeyna

Salam Aleikum!

Sister May Allah give you all the strength to pass your exams, I am really looking forward to chating with you, your exam is hard and I am sure we all can learn a lot from you. Thank you for offering to bring insight to such issue which are very crucial in todays world and Muslims must know how to deal with them in a modern, rational and Islamic manner.