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[baradar_jackson]

Saintly_Jinn23, on 19 December 2011 - 07:04 PM, said:

I don't even see what issue is with some of these girls' dress. It's not like they're dressed immodestly at all, at least not to my eyes. Some of these girls where I live might actually be seen as "repressed"  and mocked by the other girls as dressing too modestly and being too prudish. Just goes to show how different people's views on "modesty" and "hijab" can be.

And what's with the picture of the Virgin Mary   as though she is dressed immodestly? How insulting. This is a wahabi made video if I've ever seen one.

Uhhhhhhhhhh, the picture of Mary was in the "good hijab" half of the video. Didn't you watch it?

[Quranist]

those who dont cover them self in islaamic rules must be having trouble to see this video rofl

[wonderer]

I thought this video was pointless and just MEAN.. if you want to spread good hijab.. do a better video without comparing.. as other people said it could be force it could be culture it could a number of reason.. and judging people based on how they look is just SHALLOW.. I don't go look at a boy and see his hair gel and necklace and say oh look at him he's following the Western evil forces. that's just wrong.

when imams see something wrong they don't attack they advice...maybe try do something similar next time

[south-lebanon]

Stupid argument!!, any hijab is better than no hijab, must be made in Wahabiland.

[Awaiting_for_the12th]

south-lebanon, on 20 December 2011 - 03:57 AM, said:

Stupid argument!!, any hijab is better than no hijab, must be made in Wahabiland.

that argument makes no sense. By that logic a small sin is better then bigger sin.
Any hijab (which these sisters are takiing is haram as it doesnt qualify as proper hiijab) better then no hijab (also haram).

[Saintly_Jinn23]

baradar_jackson, on 19 December 2011 - 11:26 PM, said:

Uhhhhhhhhhh, the picture of Mary was in the "good hijab" half of the video. Didn't you watch it?

I had watched most of it, but became so irritated that I must have stopped before that part so I apologize for speaking falsely, but the video's screencap is of Mary and says "THIS IS NOT HIJAB"  So are you surprised that I was already angry before even watching the video and when the first half irritated me more i just shut it off? Again I apologize, but it's not my fault the uploader doesn't know how to change the screencap or is too arrogant to do so.

I still stand by my argument though.

Edited by Saintly_Jinn23, 20 December 2011 - 04:21 AM.

[Quranist]

proper hijab is virtue of ahlul bayt and  not a wahabi propganda....

[John Al-Ameli]

Hijab is style these days

[Saintly_Jinn23]

yamolaAlimadad, on 20 December 2011 - 04:28 AM, said:

proper hijab is virtue of ahlul bayt and  not a wahabi propganda....

i agree that proper hijab is important, but also reiterate that many people and their (Muslim) cultures have different views on what constitutes proper hijab and modesty and say that it is not as obvious of a matter or as simple of a debate as people, especially the maker(s) of the video, might think.

I have nothing personal against someone who holds a difference of opinion, I just do not like people over-simplifying complicated matters of debate, positing that the answer is so obvious that anyone who contests the answer they give is either an uneducated moron or a "fake Muslim." Even though I don't agree with its opinion, it's the video's arrogance, not its opinion, that I have the biggest issue with.

[worshiper]

i think its the time to target men for their beard...its their hijab(even they shdnt have their beard fashioned)............
i was asked by many to trim my beard so that it doesnt look odd, i replied the same that if it is also to be fashioned then wts the use.....

so the men who are interested in women's hijab shd check their collars first now, only then we'll have a wholistic view towards hijab.

[south-lebanon]

Awaiting_for_the12th, on 20 December 2011 - 04:19 AM, said:

that argument makes no sense. By that logic a small sin is better then bigger sin.
Any hijab (which these sisters are takiing is haram as it doesnt qualify as proper hiijab) better then no hijab (also haram).

I guess it all comes down to your interprataion of what a sin is, Im no islamic scollar, however if the Islamic republic of Iran allows a woman to wear a hijab that allows part of their hair to show, then who am i to sit and critisize any woman in the western world on how shes wearing her hijab.  As far as im concerned a woman living in a western country who wears a "basic" hijab is dressing up more modestly than a woman wearing a burka in Afghanistan considering the diffrent societies they are living in.

So whats the absolute correct form of hijab, is it a burka??  Some burka loveing person may also make a video critcizing the woman that wear nikab that show the eyes calling them imodest too, this is why i dislike this video, i find it really inconsiderate, arrogant and backwards.....a bit like wahabis

[Saviour]

From what I believe is yes, Hijab is not everything and yes it would be wrong to judge someone just because of that, But I also saying that Hijab is important and one of the things which Imam Hussain felt very strongly about.

This video, I suppose was made with good intentions, in that the sense, perhaps it was trying to make people more aware and that Hijab is not to be taken so lightly but I think that the way the video was made, ie, the various pictures, showing Non-muslims?. The correct message wasn't portrayed.

But I still agree with my old point that there is no point in wearing Hijab if you do not understand and uphold it's message.

[baradar_jackson]

Awaiting_for_the12th, on 20 December 2011 - 04:19 AM, said:

that argument makes no sense. By that logic a small sin is better then bigger sin.
Any hijab (which these sisters are takiing is haram as it doesnt qualify as proper hiijab) better then no hijab (also haram).

Your argument makes no sense, because by your logic, anything that falls short of full Islamic hijab is the same. If this is true, then the sisters in the video wearing less complete hijab, are no more modest than, let's say, a lady wearing a bikini???

[Shiabro]

Salams
The Shia don't need videos like this. Obviously this video is Salafi style: first part is music(wronnng Hijab), second part a Nasheed(purrrrfect Hijab). Second: Obviously in the second part with the purrrrfect Hijab most of them are at prayers or doing Hajj or something. Third thing: A man must cast down his gaze. Society is not perfect at the moment with a lot of mixture between the sexes which should not be.
To sum up: we don't need to watch videos like this.
Reading articles like that would help more:
http://home.swipnet....ks/hijab/08.htm

[Awaiting_for_the12th]

baradar_jackson, on 20 December 2011 - 07:23 AM, said:

Your argument makes no sense, because by your logic, anything that falls short of full Islamic hijab is the same. If this is true, then the sisters in the video wearing less complete hijab, are no more modest than, let's say, a lady wearing a bikini???

thats not even comparable. how do you come up with these comparisons? My point was that the hijab these girls are wearing is not valid under islam, and you somehow brought up bikini.

[baradar_jackson]

Awaiting_for_the12th, on 21 December 2011 - 02:29 AM, said:

thats not even comparable. how do you come up with these comparisons? My point was that the hijab these girls are wearing is not valid under islam, and you somehow brought up bikini.

You were arguing that bad hijab is no better than no hijab.

So no I did not pull that out of thin air.

[Awaiting_for_the12th]

baradar_jackson, on 21 December 2011 - 03:19 AM, said:

You were arguing that bad hijab is no better than no hijab.

So no I did not pull that out of thin air.

i think you are arguing just for the heck of it right now but anyways here is my post again:
"that argument makes no sense. By that logic a small sin is better then bigger sin.
Any hijab (which these sisters are takiing is haram as it doesnt qualify as proper hiijab) better then no hijab (also haram)"  
Both are haram: no hijab and the hijab these sisters are taking. We cannot just say oh at least the girls have something on their head so its fine. Thats still not proper, but somehow you brought in bikinis??

[Light of Ali]

Awaiting_for_the12th, on 21 December 2011 - 03:45 AM, said:

i think you are arguing just for the heck of it right now but anyways here is my post again:
"that argument makes no sense. By that logic a small sin is better then bigger sin.
Any hijab (which these sisters are takiing is haram as it doesnt qualify as proper hiijab) better then no hijab (also haram)"  
Both are haram: no hijab and the hijab these sisters are taking. We cannot just say oh at least the girls have something on their head so its fine. Thats still not proper, but somehow you brought in bikinis??

I think it was an analogy to prove that the point you made was rather absurd.

[DeeeeeBo]

south-lebanon, on 20 December 2011 - 03:57 AM, said:

Stupid argument!!, any hijab is better than no hijab, must be made in Wahabiland.

Like i said in another post, as long as the her bossum and breasts are covered and not TOO revealing, then i believe thats Sharia and enough according to the Quran !!!

Yeah some girls clothes are a little too tight, but like South Lebanon said, ANY Hijab is better then NO hijab !!! At least they are trying !!!

People are too judgemental, yamolalimadad i understand your intentions, some of them were a little out of context for Hijab, but still would you like someone saying  your a fake Muslim, bec you do not have a full fledged beard ?

Even if a girl wore a abaya or was a ninja, doesnt make her a good Muslim, its ones actions that decides their Iman, not their clothes !!! Clothes is a certain aspect of it definately but its not everything

Stupid argument

Salams

[DPRK_Guy]

Greetings

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People are too judgemental, yamolalimadad i understand your intentions, some of them were a little out of context for Hijab, but still would you like someone saying your a fake Muslim, bec you do not have a full fledged beard ?

He is showing signs of Dodgy Dingo phinominon

[Imtiaz_Hyder]

DeeeeeBo wrote:

"Yeah some girls clothes are a little too tight, but like South Lebanon said, ANY Hijab is better then NO hijab !!! At least they are trying !!! "

But its more better not to have such hijab and make mockery of it.
Either have it the right way or dont have it totally.

[DeeeeeBo]

Imtiaz_Hyder, on 21 December 2011 - 06:22 AM, said:

DeeeeeBo wrote:

"Yeah some girls clothes are a little too tight, but like South Lebanon said, ANY Hijab is better then NO hijab !!! At least they are trying !!! "

But its more better not to have such hijab and make mockery of it.
Either have it the right way or dont have it totally.

that is true, but one can also say, it is better to accept it and work on it, then not accept it at all !!! lol

[Saviour]

LOOL, DeeeeeBo, your signature, cracks me up

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The contention surrounding the video is in the idea that it turns the concept of covering your hair into *Hijabi Got Talent*. It is also out of context. It portrays a very 'black and white' depiction, hence it distorts the philosophy of Islam and gives out a very regiment and intolerant impression. It's insulting to the negatively depicted women in the video, they could be very pious and good people and the 'properly' covered women could be opposite to those epithets. Frankly, it is an insult to my intelligence and rationality.

Whether or not a female covers her hair does not indicate superority in modesty over the other. Personally, I find it to be highly odd to logic. If every woman takes their headscarf off and dresses modestly, covering up the essentials, would there honestly be any change in the society of the world? Like, honestly, would the display of some hair suddenly act as a catalyst in setting a precendence of moral decadence any more than it already is today? Would islamic nations deteriorate to a state of dysfunction due to something that really has petty relevance to the religion as a whole? Before the Islamic Revolution, when most women didn't wear the headscarf, were women subject to a kind of subjection that a headscarf now somehow preserves?

There is this extremely profound blog article I found which you all must read:

http://nadiaelawady....slim-headscarf/

This muslim woman has been wearing the headscarf for 25 years, since the age of 17, and, during he recent trip to Europe, she decides to dress normally without the headscarf and observe the reaction of others. To sum it up, she said that the difference in wearing the headscarf or not was virtually non-existant. People still treated you the same way. She even felt more feminine without the headscarf. She still wears the headscarf back in Cairo, she is still unsure of her what her stance towards it really is, but she does not regret having experimented. Please read the whole blog, it's very interesting.

If anything convinces me that modesty is relative to time and surrounding society, it is the Quran.

[ImAli]

Well I wear a black abaya just about all of the time.....occasionally I wear a long jacket instead (of course both of them with a scarf). Yesterday I went to the doctors office and had on a long jacket below the knees and a black scarf to match with it. There was this woman in there that kept staring at me.....I swear she could have burned me with her eyes, they were so full of hate.....all because of what I was wearing.