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[Syrian Sister]

This has been a long awaited day for us. No one should doubt that the only reason the American occupation was kicked out was due to the force of Iraq's patriotic resistance! And no one deserves to celebrate more than the heart of the resistance, the heroic and defiant city of Fallujah.

A video of the celebration i here
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But the war goes on, a US base in Basra is being mortared right now. There is still more than the resistance must do, mop up the mercenaries, Saigon moment the green zone, and Hang the loathsome puppet regime, puppet of Iran now more so than the US. But the end is near, never forget the sacrafice of our heroic resistance, for which will forever be indebt! VIVA VIVA LE RESISTANCE!

Edited by Syrian Sister, 17 December 2011 - 11:11 PM.

[macisaac]

Wonder what your beloved "resistance" would think of apostates?

[Noah-]

Syrian Sister, on 17 December 2011 - 11:09 PM, said:

There is still more than the resistance must do, mop up the mercenaries, Saigon moment the green zone, and Hang the loathsome puppet regime, puppet of Iran now more so than the US.

Fallauja? The terrorist Bathist and Alqaida who then turned to become PUPPETS and changed their title to Sunni Awakening Council? Awakening by dollar and a few seats?

According to sectarian and Yazidi Sunnis like you, all Iraqis are puppets, unless a Sunni Baathist or an atheist Mushrik with a Sunni background takes power? What did Maliki ever done to be a puppet of Iran? Unlike other Arab leaders he is not chanting death to Persians? Not slaughtering its Shia citizens and not labeling them as Iranian agents.

Maliki is Shia and not following Arab fascist methods, so he is an Iranian puppet.

Why don't you got to hell! You are either WITH IRAN OR A ZIONIST PUPPET. That is the end of political deals in the ME today.

Next, if any Baathist or Alqaida sympathizers move their asses and try to create chaos in order to create another apartheid state like Saddam's or Alkhalifa's in Bahrain... The forces of Sadr and Hakim and tribes from the fields of the South will finish them in a matter of few weeks.

You call Shias Iranian agent or American puppets, but THEY ARE THE MAJORITY. They are not going to elect a KAFIR atheist to rule them again. They had a free election and they gave majority of the seats to Sadr, Hakim, and Maliki.

Now you little Takfiri go blow yourself in a Shia or Alawite Mosque in Syria and kill women and children, while Zionists rape your fellow Palestinian sisters in Gaza and the West Bank while you can't do anything about it.

[baradar_jackson]

macisaac, on 17 December 2011 - 11:19 PM, said:

Wonder what your beloved "resistance" would think of apostates?

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[macisaac]

baradar_jackson, on 18 December 2011 - 01:07 AM, said:

???

The OP in another thread had talked about her renouncing Islam.

[baradar_jackson]

macisaac, on 18 December 2011 - 01:10 AM, said:

The OP in another thread had talked about her renouncing Islam.

It's kind of irrelevant, and frankly I think you're bringing it up because you're a doosh.

You see Muslims happy at something happening and you have to be a "party pooper."

You're a hipster, mac. Mac:

[Ugly Jinn]

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American occupation was kicked out was due to the force of Iraq's patriotic resistance!

Yes, Iraqis after almost a decade, after Saddam being toppled, and after the oil being raped, and after making sure Iraqi President supprots US  - the Iraqis kicked America out! Great job. Don't know what took so long but I think that was the strategy.

[macisaac]

baradar_jackson, on 18 December 2011 - 01:24 AM, said:

It's kind of irrelevant, and frankly I think you're bringing it up because you're a doosh.

You see Muslims happy at something happening and you have to be a "party pooper."

Did you even read what she wrote?  Or was it because she was using the word "resistance" and being all anti-American you didn't notice she was praising these Nasibi thugs and terrorists who'd as soon see folks like you and me dead.

[baradar_jackson]

macisaac, on 18 December 2011 - 01:35 AM, said:

Did you even read what she wrote?  Or was it because she was using the word "resistance" and being all anti-American you didn't notice she was praising these Nasibi thugs and terrorists who'd as soon see folks like you and me dead.

Nope, didn't read the post. And I don't need to, because I'm not commenting on what she wrote. Just commenting on your super-hipster status. LoL!

[Lanatin]

They probably left because of the Quds force, a military unit more patriotic* than the ba'th and Mahdi Army combined.  




* a bit of a misleading term there, I mean devoted to principles that entail the safety of the sha'b!

[Ugly Jinn]

^ You obviously missed the point of my post. It's for those who are delusional thinking Iraqis forced US out. The US always had an exit strategy, whoever vague or inconsistent it was, they were never planning on staying there forever, they left on their own accord. If someone claims that this a victory against imperialism/America/zionist then it's laughable and absurd. The US achieved practically everything it intended to do.

This voice which you can use against/for Iraq's/America's interest was enabled by US (You used an example regarding interests). Atleast be a little thankful that the US cleaned Iraq's mess and now the people have a voice, you have a voice.

And before you make false assumptions and accusations, I'm no supporter of the US, I can careless about it, I'm actually anti-US foreign policy with a passion, but not delusional.

Edited by Ugly Jinn, 18 December 2011 - 07:57 PM.

[Fink]

Without US intervention you ''resistance'' would be kissing Saddam's a** and indulging in mass murder of innocent children, women, and men . Many innocent people died because of the occupation, but then again much more died at the hands of Saddam right? No offcourse not, to you, when its ''infidels'' doing the killing its all of a sudden bad and requires resistance? When 1 Million + innocent Iraqis and Iranians died, where was this 'resistance'? No you were quite fond of life under Saddam Hussien.

Excuse my position on this issue, but the US took me in when all other countries rejected me, and they supported me when my own leadership had sought to kill me.

Edited by Fink, 18 December 2011 - 08:01 PM.

[ShiaBen]

I agree with Fink. Where were these so called resistance when Saddam was killing Shiites,  along with the Kurds and minorities, left and right? (oh yes they were helping Saddam annihilate these guys.  These resistance guys are a farce.

[Noah-]

Fink, on 18 December 2011 - 08:00 PM, said:

Without US intervention you ''resistance'' would be kissing Saddam's a** and indulging in mass murder of innocent children, women, and men . Many innocent people died because of the occupation, but then again much more died at the hands of Saddam right? No offcourse not, to you, when its ''infidels'' doing the killing its all of a sudden bad and requires resistance? When 1 Million + innocent Iraqis and Iranians died, where was this 'resistance'? No you were quite fond of life under Saddam Hussien.

Excuse my position on this issue, but the US took me in when all other countries rejected me, and they supported me when my own leadership had sought to kill me.

I agree with some of your points. BUT, do not forget that it was the world-powers who enabled Saddam to become that of a big monster. USSR helped him greatly, France helped him in many occasions... And the same US and Britain who invaded to topple him, were the same powers who helped him in his wars against Iran, in his massacre of Shias and Kurds.

There was a legal 'resistance' against Saddam by Shias... read the history of Hakims/Sadrists and Shias uprisings... there was a resistance in the North by the Kurds, read the history of Kurdish massacre and the reasons behind them... Your true leaders always tried to bring down that monster... BUT THOSE RESISTANCE movements were failed BY THE SAME WESTERN FORCES. They did not want to see another powerful, free and independent Iraq just like Khomeini's Iran come into existence in the area.

But, of course when it comes to Sunni resistance, except a few they are all jokes.. hypocrites and LOCAL KILLERS than to do any damage to real enemies and changing sides even with NATO and Israel overnight.

The same Sunni resistance who were using Syria to kill Iraqis.. Now both Iraqi Baathist and Salafi Syrians joined hands together to bite the hand it fed them, now they formed a government in FRANCE and asking NATO to intervene in Syria and bring them to power.. even their greatest scholar Shaikh Qaradhawi said so. Iraqi Salafists who received funding from Syria, now siding with NATO's agenda to remove Syrian regime. They did it greatly in Libya, even the Alqaida commendars were seen fighting alongside NATO.

But, you will never hear Hizbullah movement in Lebanon, Sadr in Iraq or Ayatollah Khamenei in Iran to change sides overnight... one day fight some forces and the next day ask Israel or NATO to invade Bahrain or Yemen for example to bring down the brutal governments.

You need to distinguish between opportunistics, terrorists and power thirsty groups and the real resistance groups who fought for justice.

[Professor Higgins]

I don't think anybody can call Syrian Sister a sectarian or anti-Shia or even Al Qaida-lover,

She has made another topic where she celebrates the Mahdi Army resistance against the occupation forces.

[Professor Higgins]

Zahratul Ilsam,

What about the Iraqis in the Army, Interior Ministry and bureaucracy, in '91, who were not Baathists, yet took aort in the general killings and attacks on civilans ( through association if not by active participation ) ?   manu of them are still working in the Iraqi Government, why don't you see them in the same light as, say, the Republican Guard or the Fedayeen Saddam ?

[Ugly Jinn]

Zahratul_Islam, on 20 December 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

I do not for a moment believe the simplistic notion, propagated by uninformed liberal hippies, that the United States got everything it wanted in Iraq or that the operation went as planned. There is far too much evidence to the contrary.

So much for not using assumptions and accusations.

It is simple, but those who are biased and have an agenda will choose not to accept it. Let's see what the US wanted to do in Iraq:

• Invade without UN approval = Done
  
• Use lies of WMD to justify invasion = Done
  
• Topple Saddam = Done
  
• Bring Saddam to trial and punish him = Done and Done
  
• Have a democratic political system = Done
  
• Have a president who supports the US = Done
  
• Get brownie points from allys in the region (Kuwait, Saudi, Israel, etc) = Done
  
• Rape the oil = Done
  
• Leaving on their own accord = Done

Was it messy? Yes. Were lives lost on both sides? Yes. Was the stay longer than planned? Sure.

The US practically did everything it intended to do on a grand scale. If you don't believe so then present your checklist.

Edited by Ugly Jinn, 20 December 2011 - 08:52 PM.

[Professor Higgins]

The US, Iran and Israel are allies in Iraq, all allies against the hero of the resistance, Saddam.

[Ugly Jinn]

Zahratul_Islam, on 22 December 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

This is a little more thoughtful than a checklist. My point is that the notion that Iraqis were victims throughout the duration of the war by hawkish Americans is simplistic. They gained a lot more than America may have thought they would gain, and they are not turning over when America tells them to turn over.

I never claimed Iraqis were victims. On the contrary, everything worked out for the better compared to being under Saddam's regime.

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Oftentimes American interests paralleled or were even dictated by the interests of Iraq.  Most of the things on your checklist are things Iraqis wanted to happen.
The bottom line is this: given that the current government doesn't put U.S interests above their own.. was it worth the investment? They aren't a puppet government by any means, and I am sure that would have been the preferred outcome that would have justified the enormous costs.

Whether Iraq's current government is a puppet or not is a good question, you will get different answers. It's too early to tell. The real test is after the US withdraws it's forces.

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And when did they "rape the oil." I am not being definitive either way.. and it is certainly amusing imagery, but it is a bit more nuanced than this..
http://www.time.com/...1948787,00.html

Let's not be gullible. The US would rape it's own mother if it'll be profitable.

"Half of that investment ($75 billion) is going to subcontractors to drill new wells and refurbish old oil fields. Naturally, the companies with the most expertise and best technology are getting the highly profitable contracts and those are Texas-based Halliburton, Baker Hughes, Weatherford International and the French-owned but Houston-based Schlumberger. Not only did Halliburton make billions on the war effort, it and other contractors are now making billions on Iraqi oil. It is no surprise one of the chief architects for the war effort, former Vice President Richard Chaney, is the former head of Halliburton."
http://www.adn.com/2...always-the.html

Edited by Ugly Jinn, 23 December 2011 - 12:37 AM.