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[wonderer]

Salams all

so today while I was in the shop w my friends selling my hand knitted goods.. a lady came in

she kept admiring my work and everything.. then she got closer saying do you want me to give you a tip that will help you.. I was like sure what is it.. then she whispered: have you asked Jesus to help you..

WTH! I said I have asked GOD 2, and then she continued.. just ask Jesus who he is and he'll show you the way.. like obviously I am ON A PATH to God since am hijabi n everything, but that was just ANNOYING!

After that, she started talking with my friends who were Christians (but the normal ones) and they brought up a campaigning retreat ( A SUPER CHRISTIAN ONE) and then she turned you should come and learn about Jesus. I really didn't wana snap and wanted to remain professional, and said Thank you, but I am happy with my God!

I have met pretty strong Christians before, and A LOT wanted to convert me, and some used weird approaches, but this one offended me the most!

what would you have said?

[thecontentedself]

i've been approached by the church of jehovas witnesses many times, and the last time was a few weeks ago. I stopped and listened for a few seconds and then said: how about I tell you about Islam? I can teach you how to be saved. They said we don't wanna hear it and ran off.

[Ali H Syed]

should have replied by saying imam mahdi as, is our saviour, assisted by prophet jesus as, but the "jesus" you think is actually the dajjal/ false messiah.
that usually makes them listen more intently or sickens them so they leave on the spot, either one is a good thing in my eyes o.0

[Blissful]

wonderer, on 11 November 2011 - 03:13 PM, said:

Salams all

so today while I was in the shop w my friends selling my hand knitted goods.. a lady came in

she kept admiring my work and everything.. then she got closer saying do you want me to give you a tip that will help you.. I was like sure what is it.. then she whispered: have you asked Jesus to help you..

WTH! I said I have asked GOD 2, and then she continued.. just ask Jesus who he is and he'll show you the way.. like obviously I am ON A PATH to God since am hijabi n everything, but that was just ANNOYING!

After that, she started talking with my friends who were Christians (but the normal ones) and they brought up a campaigning retreat ( A SUPER CHRISTIAN ONE) and then she turned you should come and learn about Jesus. I really didn't wana snap and wanted to remain professional, and said Thank you, but I am happy with my God!

I have met pretty strong Christians before, and A LOT wanted to convert me, and some used weird approaches, but this one offended me the most!

what would you have said?

Alaykum asalaam.

Ehhhh you get people like that. Funny thing is, if they didn't approach in the way they did (the extreme crazy ones) I would actually listen to them. I've had a couple of nice ones approach me before, and we had a really good discussion and realised we agreed on a lot of terms.

I was once visiting the uni to see someone and one of them stopped me and handed all these booklets to me and started preaching like that priest off Coming to America.

In the end I'd say the main thing is to stay patient and try have some dialogue with them. If they get abit crazy then tell them I am to mine and you are to yours, and wish them a good day. Then start walking.

[Replicant]

Just say: "Thanks for the advice, but I'm very happy with my religion. God bless."

[wonderer]

thecontentedself, on 11 November 2011 - 03:18 PM, said:

i've been approached by the church of jehovas witnesses many times, and the last time was a few weeks ago. I stopped and listened for a few seconds and then said: how about I tell you about Islam? I can teach you how to be saved. They said we don't wanna hear it and ran off.

yah one time.. they came to my house and asked me.. do u ever blame God for the bad things in life.. I was like UM NO.. and he said yes u shouldn't coz he loves us, and I agreed w him on everything.. and he said oh u seem faithful to the Lord, so I'll leave u 2 it loool

Ali H Syed, on 11 November 2011 - 03:37 PM, said:

should have replied by saying imam mahdi as, is our saviour, assisted by prophet jesus as, but the "jesus" you think is actually the dajjal/ false messiah.
that usually makes them listen more intently or sickens them so they leave on the spot, either one is a good thing in my eyes o.0

I did actually said something similar to one guy who was preaching telling me MOHAMMAD DIDN'T SAVE U, but Jesus will.. I said u got only 1, but I got 14!

Blissful, on 11 November 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

In the end I'd say the main thing is to stay patient and try have some dialogue with them. If they get abit crazy then tell them I am to mine and you are to yours, and wish them a good day. Then start walking.

lool I agree! with my normal Christian friends we just talk abt loving God and doing things to please him and we agree on that so we just focus on it, but others just wana pick on the differences

Replicant, on 11 November 2011 - 05:20 PM, said:

Just say: "Thanks for the advice, but I'm very happy with my religion. God bless."

the thing is that doesn't stop em.. they still come and argue EH

[AliX]

Before I reverted to Islam, I had a man ask me as he was leaving the store I was working in and ask me if I had found Jesus.  I didn't even know what to say.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

jehovahs witnesses only came once to my house, they never returned after one conversation with me i pretended to be jesus.

[MuslimyMuslim]

reminds me of the time i was at a park with 2 of my friends, one of them (the christian) told me i was going to hell, then my other friend defended me. Just so happens that in ear shot was a southern christian lady. She went over to us and complemented the christian friend that was telling me i should go to hell with a heavy southern accent "you are just wonderful standing up to these kids". then she continued " let me explain the trinity to yall, do you have hands? do you have arms? do you enjoy the sunny wheather, If so you three are one".

My more liberal friend asked 'my friend here is muslim, is he going to hell?' she answered "well if he really wants to find god he might some day just find him". Then she spent 10 minutes talking about the bible...

[Çåá ÇáÈíÊ]

I had jehova's witnesses knock on my door around 2 months ago...

I swear to God, they were like salesmen.

[MuslimyMuslim]

^ sounds like the mormons, my dad used to have some mormons following him, he had to hide so they wouldnt find him

[wonderer]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 12 November 2011 - 05:18 PM, said:

jehovahs witnesses only came once to my house, they never returned after one conversation with me i pretended to be jesus.

LOOL! I would have loved 2 c it!

ohhcuppycakee, on 12 November 2011 - 05:31 PM, said:

Lol. I have no idea what I would do.

A kind of similar thing happened to me near Christmas when I was in Florida. I was with my friend when we got in a mini car accident or whatever. I was standing on the side of the road when a woman in a minivan popped her head out and yelled "Merry Christmas! Jesus loves EVERYONE!!"...Ugh, lol. I took it more like this "Jesus loves EVERYONE, even smelly Muslims."

LOL AWW! she should have stopped n helped!

MuslimyMuslim, on 12 November 2011 - 07:14 PM, said:

reminds me of the time i was at a park with 2 of my friends, one of them (the christian) told me i was going to hell, then my other friend defended me. Just so happens that in ear shot was a southern christian lady. She went over to us and complemented the christian friend that was telling me i should go to hell with a heavy southern accent "you are just wonderful standing up to these kids". then she continued " let me explain the trinity to yall, do you have hands? do you have arms? do you enjoy the sunny wheather, If so you three are one".
My more liberal friend asked 'my friend here is muslim, is he going to hell?' she answered "well if he really wants to find god he might some day just find him". Then she spent 10 minutes talking about the bible...

OH MY GOSH! did that lady even hear herself lool! reminded me of an example a Christine lady told me.. when u sin it's like adding blood to a pure cup of water and u can spill the water that's why u need to be saved.. so I said.. well I'll go to haj and God will give me a new cup! lool

[AliX]

That reminds of the water can be three things argument.

[Son of Placid]

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lool I agree! with my normal Christian friends

The term "normal Christian" confuses me. Wondering what's your take on it.

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we just talk abt loving God and doing things to please him and we agree on that so we just focus on it.

That's awesome. That's what could bring the world together.

AliX, on 13 November 2011 - 05:27 PM, said:

That reminds of the water can be three things argument.

Water cannot be three things at once tho...

I had the JWs come to my door. I said, "In your Bible John 1:1 it says In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was "a" god."
"So tell me, why do you get two gods and I only get one?"
Haven't seen them since and it's been years now.

[wonderer]

^ normal as in they lead their lives w faith in their heart but with great manners and general discussions.. like it's rare that we'll talk abt Jesus but the other ABNORMAL ones have only ONE TOPIC and that everyone should be like them.. get me

[AliX]

Son of Placid, on 13 November 2011 - 07:32 PM, said:

The term "normal Christian" confuses me. Wondering what's your take on it.




That's awesome. That's what could bring the world together.




Water cannot be three things at once tho...

Oh I know.  But since water can be three things, it made sense to the author who was compared water being three things thus God could be three things.

[Son of Placid]

wonderer, on 13 November 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

^ normal as in they lead their lives w faith in their heart but with great manners and general discussions.. like it's rare that we'll talk abt Jesus but the other ABNORMAL ones have only ONE TOPIC and that everyone should be like them.. get me

Got ya, simply put, non-evangelical. I'm glad you consider them to be the normal ones,

[satyaban]

wonderer, on 11 November 2011 - 03:13 PM, said:

Salams all

so today while I was in the shop w my friends selling my hand knitted goods.. a lady came in

she kept admiring my work and everything.. then she got closer saying do you want me to give you a tip that will help you.. I was like sure what is it.. then she whispered: have you asked Jesus to help you..

WTH! I said I have asked GOD 2, and then she continued.. just ask Jesus who he is and he'll show you the way.. like obviously I am ON A PATH to God since am hijabi n everything, but that was just ANNOYING!

After that, she started talking with my friends who were Christians (but the normal ones) and they brought up a campaigning retreat ( A SUPER CHRISTIAN ONE) and then she turned you should come and learn about Jesus. I really didn't wana snap and wanted to remain professional, and said Thank you, but I am happy with my God!

I have met pretty strong Christians before, and A LOT wanted to convert me, and some used weird approaches, but this one offended me the most!

what would you have said?

I would have said, "That's nice but I know where God is and that is in my heart and yours now that you have that information what are you going to do with it? I am happy and convinced of my faith and don't appreciate you and others like you interrupting me."

Another way I have handled it is to agree to listen to them if they first let me tell them about my faith. They usually leave quietly.

[satyaban]

Son of Placid, on 13 November 2011 - 07:32 PM, said:

Water cannot be three things at once tho...

It certainly can. Go down to a local body of water and fill a jug with river water or pond water it makes no distance. Pour some of the water in an ice cube tray and put it in the freezer, a couple hours later pour some of the remaining water in a sauce pan and bring it to boil and keep the remaing water in the jug. Take the frozen pond water out and put it on the table. What do you have, a part of the pond in the jug, part of the pond frozen and lastly part of the pond in a gaseous state. If you condense the pond water steam back into the jug, put the frozen pond back in the jug and pour the jug into the pond what have you done? It was the pond all the time and you had it in three forms. This is how it is with God but God being in two, God being formless and God being in you and I like a fire and a spark. The spark is still the fire though apart.

[placid]

Hey Satyaban,

You have just given a good illustration of the three Manifestations of God,

However, the pond was still there when you took a jug of it for your illustration.

The Pond is like God, who is above anything we can imagine or try to describe, --- but the three Manifestations of liquid, solid and gaseous, --- reveal, in sample form, --- how great God is.--- How He can reveal Himself in a form that we can understand, (or in three forms at the same time) --- and then return to Himself, --- again to be One.



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[satyaban]

placid, on 14 November 2011 - 07:01 AM, said:

Hey Satyaban,

You have just given a good illustration of the three Manifestations of God,

However, the pond was still there when you took a jug of it for your illustration.

The Pond is like God, who is above anything we can imagine or try to describe, --- but the three Manifestations of liquid, solid and gaseous, --- reveal, in sample form, --- how great God is.--- How He can reveal Himself in a form that we can understand, (or in three forms at the same time) --- and then return to Himself, --- again to be One.



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It also illustrates the relationship of the atman to The Absolute. I very much appreciate the brevity of your post.

[wonderer]

Son of Placid, on 13 November 2011 - 09:17 PM, said:

Got ya, simply put, non-evangelical. I'm glad you consider them to be the normal ones,

well they do go to church every Sunday and they do their lent n everything but they don't bring it in convos n etc. they r awesome mashallah

satyaban, on 14 November 2011 - 12:28 AM, said:

I would have said, "That's nice but I know where God is and that is in my heart and yours now that you have that information what are you going to do with it? I am happy and convinced of my faith and don't appreciate you and others like you interrupting me."
Another way I have handled it is to agree to listen to them if they first let me tell them about my faith. They usually leave quietly.

I totally should have said that! noted for next time!

[Lanatin]

Listen to him carefully, then find an open way for some inter-faith dialogue.

And it's distasteful employing analogies related to natural phenomenon to try and explain God's nature.

[Saintly_Jinn23]

I personally dislike how some Christians, at least where I live, like to scripture bomb you. They'll go through all this trouble of referencing how I'm wrong because the Bible says this or the Bible says that, but when you ask them "Okay, if the Bible says that, tell me...why should I accept the Bible as a book of historical fact and not say The Illiad or the Odyssey or the other Greek religious myths instead? What makes the Bible have more authority as a perfect historical document?" and they don't do anything else except scripture bomb you more with this verse or that verse, saying the Bible is true solely because of its namesake. I told an atheist I met recently that I think that such behavior is a disgrace to the blessing of reasoning. I have no issue with anyone believing in the Bible as a true historical document over the Quran or any other holy book. Well I mean I have an issue with someone not believing the truth, as far as what I understand the truth to be, but I do not think that everyone who believes in another holy book that contradicts mine is necessarily stupid is what I mean. Afterall, there are plenty of Muslims who accept the Quran but are stupid. I only dislike just believing whatever anyone tells them without any sort of investigative reasoning, because that just allows the truth, including the ultimate truth, to be subjective instead of objective and with how much said scripture bombers pride themselves on being certain of the truth, such an attitude and behavior is hypocritical.

La, on 14 November 2011 - 02:34 PM, said:

And it's distasteful employing analogies related to natural phenomenon to try and explain God's nature.

It depends on the natural phenomenon itself.

Edited by Saintly_Jinn23, 14 November 2011 - 04:32 PM.

[Lanatin]

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It depends on the natural phenomenon itself.

It's not relative because we'd be elucidating on that which we have no knowledge of directly; the world around us is best used for recognizing aspects of God via apophatic theology (comparison-wise, that is).