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[Replicant]

baradar_jackson, on 13 May 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

So what happened? What did they ban MDM for?

http://www.shiachat....ost__p__2397734

[baradar_jackson]

Replicant, on 13 May 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

http://www.shiachat....ost__p__2397734

So he got banned for essentially calling someone a basterd child?

That's the most benign comment ever uttered by MDM on this website.

In that same thread he says he curses Seyyed Ali Khamenei in the same breath as [list of oppressors].

So just to clarify:

Putting the name of an Islamic scholar and marja e taqleed alongside that of mass murderers = OK
Saying someone on SC is illegitimate = Ban

I'm not saying it's good to call people illegitimate, I'm just saying: (1) being a mass murderer is slightly worse than being born out of wedlock (LOL), and (2) shouldn't we be MORE strict about the rules of insults when it comes to leadership personalities than with the general public, rather than the other way around?

Edited by baradar_jackson, 13 May 2012 - 06:44 PM.

[_JuGNii]

I was just saying the ironic part is.. he was going to interview maci jii

if he ever does his first question will be.. "how ws it to ban me? "

Awkwaaaaard

[Replicant]

baradar_jackson, on 13 May 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

So he got banned for essentially calling someone a basterd child?

That's the most benign comment ever uttered by MDM on this website.

In that same thread he says he curses Seyyed Ali Khamenei in the same breath as [list of oppressors].

So just to clarify:

Putting the name of an Islamic scholar and marja e taqleed alongside that of mass murderers = OK
Saying someone on SC is illegitimate = Ban

I'm not saying it's good to call people illegitimate, I'm just saying: (1) being a mass murderer is slightly worse than being born out of wedlock (LOL), and (2) shouldn't we be MORE strict about the rules of insults when it comes to leadership personalities than with the general public, rather than the other way around?

Dunno...I suppose if you're a leader, your actions will always be under the microscope and critcized.
Talking about the chastity of a believer's mother could be seen as a step too far. At the least the mods/admins are consistent on that front. There's a zero-tolerance policy on that, I've noticed.

[baradar_jackson]

Replicant, on 13 May 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Dunno...I suppose if you're a leader, your actions will always be under the microscope and critcized.
Talking about the chastity of a believer's mother could be seen as a step too far. At the least the mods/admins are consistent on that front. There's a zero-tolerance policy on that, I've noticed.

Good that they are strict on that.

They should expand their strictness to include other offenses.

But maybe I'm wrong. After all, i'm just a poor tailor.

[Darth Vader]

Well his cursing Imam Khomeini is what I found sad. As for his insult to that Sunni, personally I think the guy deserved it. If someone calls me a "nasibi" (or "umar" or "muawiya", the classical nawasib) then they are only asking to get insulted back and should brace for impact. Being illegitimate of birth is something out of one's control, however imho, being a nasibi on the contrary is perfectly under one's control and something to repent for and unforgivable otherwise, and therefore a great insult.

[MALANGG]

From the start i have said, this admins are really stupid,Banning to the oldest member and even hubdaar-e-Ali   
idiot controllers

Edited by MALANGG, 14 May 2012 - 02:18 AM.

[md. ammar ali]

bring him back
Maula Dha Mallang

lift the ban

[Aly ReZa]

varun loves ahlulbayt, on 14 May 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

bring him back
Maula Dha Mallang

lift the ban

exactly

[_JuGNii]

^^ Another one banned oh Shizzzz..!

[Haydar Husayn]

Falsely accusing someone of being unchaste gets you flogged under sharia. The fact that some people around here (apparently almost everyone other than macisaac) don't think it's such a big deal says a lot about their moral standards. A Muslim shouldn't even be thinking about making such unfounded allegations. I completely support a zero tolerance policy on this issue, and so should anyone else with any decency.

If MDM gets unbanned (and I'm sure it's being considered), it will just prove how bad the moderating is on this site really is.

[_JuGNii]

^^ I agree with what youre saying..one should NEVER brings someones family or their background up in an argument as it becomes very dirty.. and its really the worst thing anyone can do..

But I feel maybe a warning before and if its repeated then I would surely agree with the ban.. But yeh I am hoping he comes back coz I know him atleast this much that hes not one of those to raise fingers like that just a one off I guess.. but hmmmmm.. I dunno..

I want him back

[Haydar Husayn]

_JuGNii, on 14 May 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

^^ I agree with what youre saying..one should NEVER brings someones family or their background up in an argument as it becomes very dirty.. and its really the worst thing anyone can do..

But I feel maybe a warning before and if its repeated then I would surely agree with the ban.. But yeh I am hoping he comes back coz I know him atleast this much that hes not one of those to raise fingers like that just a one off I guess.. but hmmmmm.. I dunno..

I want him back

So a grave sin that warrants a flogging should just result in a warning? Ok...

[_JuGNii]

No .. it shouldn't.. but a warning can prevent it happening again.. or maybe suspension for like a Day..

I personally am very much against it.. im not taking his side for what he said.. but im mean give him a chance to apologise and hopefully itll all be good..

Haydar jii sshhhhh man.. confusing a poor duck

[ImAli]

we should open a flogging, lashing, stoning, execution subforum

[baradar_jackson]

Haydar Husayn, on 14 May 2012 - 07:32 AM, said:

Falsely accusing someone of being unchaste gets you flogged under sharia. The fact that some people around here (apparently almost everyone other than macisaac) don't think it's such a big deal says a lot about their moral standards.

LOL yeah, because that's how people think. People think it's not a big deal.

Mac should also express his controversial anti-stealing stance, so us pro-stealing riffraff can know that it's wrong.

[Haydar Husayn]

_JuGNii, on 14 May 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

No .. it shouldn't.. but a warning can prevent it happening again.. or maybe suspension for like a Day..

I personally am very much against it.. im not taking his side for what he said.. but im mean give him a chance to apologise and hopefully itll all be good..

Haydar jii sshhhhh man.. confusing a poor duck

Ok, maybe I should confess that I was in the situation where someone on here made an allegation like that against me. He got banned, and it was made clear that anyone else who did that would be banned as well. Personally, I don't think it's something that should be taken lightly, and a warning or a short suspension (which was the person in my situation's initial punishment) is little more than a joke.

baradar_jackson, on 14 May 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

LOL yeah, because that's how people think. People think it's not a big deal.

Mac should also express his controversial anti-stealing stance, so us pro-stealing riffraff can know that it's wrong.

When people complain that someone gets banned for it, then that tells me they don't think it's such a big deal.

[md. ammar ali]

why aly reza is banned??

[Darth Vader]

No offense but this is odd. You can allege other individuals for being nawasib for no reason at all, all day long, and thats all OKAY on the contrary. Lob takfeer grenades and similar ugly mullah ordnance at your opposition and thats so "intellectual" and fine. Even if wahabi infiltrators do it. You can wear a troll face avatar and exist only to troll and grief, and thats just fine to the policy makers. E-Mullahs; holier-than-thou stubborn liars peddling their own petty agendas and unable to correct themselves no matter how many times you defeat their nonsense arguments. Not much to "chat" about with such people when you already know where they stand. And there won't be many "Shias" left either if such toxic anti-Shia cultures are allowed to thrive freely on here. Mullahism is the reason the ummah has been failing since 1400 years. Or may be its just my flawed observation. After all, I'm another one of the non-mullah, impious and sinning children who doesn't care for rijalism or unity with wahabis much.

[baradar_jackson]

Abu Dujana, on 14 May 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

No offense but this is odd. You can allege other individuals for being nawasib for no reason at all, all day long, and thats all OKAY on the contrary. Lob takfeer grenades and similar ugly mullah ordnance at your opposition and thats so "intellectual" and fine. Even if wahabi infiltrators do it. You can wear a troll face avatar and exist only to troll and grief, and thats just fine to the policy makers. E-Mullahs; holier-than-thou stubborn liars peddling their own petty agendas and unable to correct themselves no matter how many times you defeat their nonsense arguments. Not much to "chat" about with such people when you already know where they stand. And there won't be many "Shias" left either if such toxic anti-Shia cultures are allowed to thrive freely on here. Mullahism is the reason the ummah has been failing since 1400 years. Or may be its just my flawed observation. After all, I'm another one of the non-mullah, impious and sinning children who doesn't care for rijalism or unity with wahabis much.

I don't get it.

[Haydar Husayn]

Abu Dujana, on 14 May 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

No offense but this is odd. You can allege other individuals for being nawasib for no reason at all, all day long, and thats all OKAY on the contrary. Lob takfeer grenades and similar ugly mullah ordnance at your opposition and thats so "intellectual" and fine. Even if wahabi infiltrators do it.

This is a bit rich coming from someone who has no problem questioning the faith of Shias on here he doesn't like.

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"The "scholar" Nader (Zaveri) here?"

Brother, he's not a "scholar", by far. Most here don't even consider him Shia and for good reason.

http://www.shiachat....ost__p__2272507

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As for taqleed, everyone does taqleed, if not of a scholar then someone else's, but most people listen to and respect scholars. We used to have inflammation in the past about a particular scholar who was criticized and rightly so, for his bold non-Shia conclusions (think of Nader Zaveri's alleged cloak and dagger anti-Shia covert agenda), but (un)(fortunately) he passed away on muawiya's death anniversary.

http://www.shiachat....ost__p__2261405

[Darth Vader]

You forgot to copy-paste the part where I proved him a muqassir, and not because of personal dislike. But seriously? You think you make a good case with that instance? Jondab Azdi / Nader are notorious for siding with wahabies and sunnis against shia so it's not just me. See that same thread or any other old threads of the sort and you'll find all sorts of people pointing it out. There is a difference between making an allegation/accusation and pointing out the obvious. And then, in the same thread you linked, you'll find yourself and your Nader trying to oppose Qur'an with your excuses and failing. Is that also my fault? Did I call you any names for that? No. That is because I can understand that your efforts collapsed and you were having temporary difficulty getting a grip on the situation. I'm no mullah monster. Nothing personal.

But anyway, I like anyone else am liable to make mistakes. I've always welcomed correction. I've got my posts moderated or deleted at times by mods when I'm out of line and I have no gripes with that. They do an admirable job and I can tell because they would have restrained me if I were wrong i that thread you linked. But still if I accuse someone wrongly I should be warned by mods and then banned without any respite if I don't change. Whether I wrongly accuse or insult someone of being illegitimate of birth, or if I call them a nasibi for no reason at all. We allow pitiful trolls, wahabi nawasib and satanists to coexist here on SC out of love for humanity. We've always had a tolerant, lenient and just policy. I like to remind that little pattern of ours. That is all.

Now, in sharp contrast, I see hate and personal bias by a lot of people. Ironically, by even those who can't imagine a rijal scholar like ibn hajar asqalani or whoever from the lot to possibly base their opinion on personal bias about someone. But we do, its human nature. I myself have fought malangism on SC but I try not to make it personal. I've disliked wrong actions and ideas, countless times, but not the person, well not usually or not right off the bat unless I find it that they're a uncorrectable helpless useless satan's minion. Search the topic "homosexual muslim" here on SC and I say that its an abomination and will keep saying it till my last breath. I will keep telling trolls whenever they troll even if I start to sound like a broken record. If it becomes evident that a satanist troll is crusading then they warrant a counter-crusade. And so on. But only when something becomes evident. So lets not become totally malicious and find a limit to that hate and personal bias, do some 'adl along the way, thats all I want to say.

Edited by Abu Dujana, 16 May 2012 - 12:44 AM.

[Darth Vader]

Why I wrote all that? MDM, in sharp contrast, was a amiable person. Not a poison spitting viper or a camel that never forgets or forgives. I'll miss MDM and his posts.