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[Hassan_S]

Salamualaykum

I've been researching into Sufi Islam and i have to say it seems quite sound

So i wanted to know, do we agree with them in their beliefs? Do they contradict us Shia in any way?

Thanx in advance

Hassan

[Gypsy]

The Ahlul Bayt has spoken negatively about the Sufis. It's best to avoid their teaching and their lifestyles.

[Replicant]

Avoid them, they are deviant according to Shia beliefs.

[Reshad]

thet are very devout. im not sure if they are contradicting or not, but it is obvious that they did more for Islam than anyother sect, Sunni's or Shiites. Almost all Indian muslims and turks were converted by Sufis at some point

[satyaban]

Hassan_S, on 27 September 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Salamualaykum

I've been researching into Sufi Islam and i have to say it seems quite sound

So i wanted to know, do we agree with them in their beliefs? Do they contradict us Shia in any way?

Thanx in advance

Hassan

You said the Sufi's seem quite sound and you then went on to ask "do we agree with them in their beliefs?" You are a part of the "we" so why not ask yourself what you think, do a little study and then what you think would be an enlightened part of the "we think."  Or you could rephrase your question to read "do you all agree with their beliefs?"

It is always better to gain a little knowledge than to practice avoidance. One can make better decisions with knowledge than a vacant black hole.

[P. Ease]

Broad answer. We agree upon many things and disagree upon many things. Reason we agree, because our source is one and the same, what they preach, is basically the Imams lifestyles. Reason we disagree, big, huge, humongous ego's who willingly confuse their target audience. That's about the shortest summary I can give you.

[Maitham]

check into irfan.

Edited by AlMuttaqi, 30 September 2011 - 07:18 PM.

[Hassan_S]

satyaban, on 29 September 2011 - 10:15 PM, said:

You said the Sufi's seem quite sound and you then went on to ask "do we agree with them in their beliefs?" You are a part of the "we" so why not ask yourself what you think, do a little study and then what you think would be an enlightened part of the "we think."  Or you could rephrase your question to read "do you all agree with their beliefs?"

It is always better to gain a little knowledge than to practice avoidance. One can make better decisions with knowledge than a vacant black hole.

There maybe things that i've missed in my studies that others know of. Nevertheless you are right and i agree with you

[Kismet110]

Many millions of people became Muslim in Indian sub-continent due to Sufis and their teachings. Many Shi'ah from that region have leanings towards Sufi practices (visitation to graves of 'pirs', attending qawali programs, nazr/niyaaz).

I believe the position from Imamiyya viewpoint is to keep distance from their teachings, that they are misguided & not on Guidance (even though every silsila/tariqaa traces it's roots back to Maula Ali aside from one).

They believe in the 12 Imams but not all believe the 12th is same as for Shi'ah however they give far more precedence to famous Sufis rather than the Imams and their modern day shaykhs.

Allah knows best.

ALI

[Dhulfikar]

Read this following book: http://www.al-islam.org/LWM/

You will then understand our difference in Sufism.

[Ace Abbas]

Salam.
Two kind of Sufis: true Sufis and fake Sufis.
True Sufis: following the al-Qur'an and hadith.
Fake Sufis: performing bid'ah and some, shirk.
We believe that the master of Sufism is Imam Ali KMW.
There are 44 established tariqas in Sunni Sufism, and 43 of them are linked to Imam Ali KMW.
While one is linked to Abu Bakr as-Siddiq RA.

[eThErEaL]

Hassan_S, on 27 September 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Salamualaykum

I've been researching into Sufi Islam and i have to say it seems quite sound

So i wanted to know, do we agree with them in their beliefs? Do they contradict us Shia in any way?

Thanx in advance

Hassan

What is the reality of Tasawwuf? Tasawwuf is not a party or sect one belongs to. Its not the clothes one wears or what one associates themselves with. Tasawwuf is nothing but the realization of God and His qualities within oneself, one's neighbor and the rest of creation. It is nothing but discernment between the Absolute and the Relative. Remembering the Absolute. And cultivating Virtues.

There is nothing to be debated about.
This very same reality which is to be lived is sometimes called Sufism and sometimes it is called Irfan.  If you are Shia or you are Sunni and interested in Tasawwuf then this means you need to find a spiritual master to help you realize God and cultivate virtues.  If one does not have a spiritual master then he has nothing to do with Tasawuf or Irfan.  Tabattabai , Khomeini, Behjat , and all Shia Arifs had specific spiritual masters.  Rumi, Ibn Arabi, were sunni Arifs and they had spiritual masters as well.  Really speaking IMHO one who is seriously involved in Irfan or Tasawwuf would not care about shia-sunni polemics since the only thing he cares about is resolving the conflict and problems which are in his own soul.   Shias learn from Sunni Arifs and Sunnis learn from Shia Arifs in the world of Irfan and Sufism.          

[Quranist]

can some body post,some sayings of ahlul bayt and masomin that how they have spoke against sufis?

[Saintly_Jinn23]

First off Sufis are not a branch like Sunni or Shia



SUFI TARIQAS CAN BE SHIA OR SUNNI OR NEITHER



Second, there are hadith that speak against Sufism or, if not Sufism, specific Sufi saints, however, as I said, there are Shia-Sufis so these particular hadith are obviously not universally accepted by every Shia. I recommend you join our thread here entitled "Shia-Sufism" People keep posting separate threads instead of continuing it when there's some good posts on the topic in it.

Edited by Saintly_Jinn23, 23 December 2011 - 08:19 PM.

[anwarul malakoot]

What you say about ahadith speaking out against a certain group of persons while using he word 'sufi', is correct. However, there are a lot of ahadith that condemn ijtehad as well, while practically everyone agrees in its validity. This is because the word 'ijtehad' in the time of the Imams (s.a.) was equal to that of qias and ra'i, which in turn is the practice of the sunni's and haraam in our madhab. Nowadays it does not contain such a meaning anymore, so one should take a look at these narrations from a differen angle.

Over the course of time the meaning and purport of certain words and expressions change, and the Arabic language is not exempted from that. So rather than merely looking at the word in its external appearance when we come across some hadith, whe should try and look at its meaning as the ma'asoum intended through inspecting the specific conditions surrounding it.

If sufism means leaving and disobeying the minhaj of Muhammad (s.a.w.) and Ahlul bait (s.a.), then it is wrong. If it is mixing non-Islamic beliefs, customs and practices with their sufism, then it is wrong. If not, then what is really the problem?