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[Mustafa]

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For!those!who!have!
no! difficulty! in! practising! the! dojo! etiquette,! you! must! respect! other's! discomfort!in! practising! some! (if! not! all)! of! the!
etiquette!rules!required!in!the!dojo.!Like!acquiring!karate!techniques,!let!them!progress!at!their!own!pace.!The!following!
rules!of!etiquette!are!not!a!form!of!servitude.!They!are!to!show!your!respect!for!the!dojo!and!the!people!who!train!within!
it.!If!you!are!unsure!about!any!dojo!etiquette!please!ask!a!senior!member!of!the!dojo.

This is a copy from the PDF i have. It should not visibly have these "!" but now they do. I wonder.

What is respect and what is Shirk? When I am requested to bow in class for example, how am I not breaking the law of either Allah or the other party? ... I want to train and have no spiritual conflict.

Peace

[hameedeh]

Mustafa, on 25 September 2011 - 09:42 AM, said:

What is respect and what is Shirk? When I am requested to bow in class for example, how am I not breaking the law of either Allah or the other party? ... I want to train and have no spiritual conflict.

Peace

Bro, this question about bowing to the teacher as a sign of respect was asked by someone and Ayatollah Sistani answered. From what I understood, your bow should not be as low as your ruku in prayer.

Salaamun alaykum,        
The following two questions on bowing were referred to AyatullahSeestani (May Allah (swt) grant him a long life).  We are grateful to allthose who assisted us in the consultation, formulation and referral of thesequestions to the Marja.
Wasalaam,
Mustafa Rawji
Moderator, 'Aalim Network

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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS:

Q1. When the name of one of the Fourteen Ma'sumeen (a.s.) is mentioned, whatkind of show of respect is appropriate and permissible:        
a) only in our heart and mind?        
b ) in our heart as well as by bowing down of the head from the neck?        
c) in our heart as well as by bowing down of the upper body from the waist?  

A1.  In the name of the Almighty.  All these expressions of respect is permissible.  However, it is better (ihtiyat) to refrain from bowing down from the waist (like ruku) for other than Almighty Allah.                                                

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Q2.  In some sports like Judo, Karate, Sword..., it is necessary to bow your head or bow the upper body from the waist as a sign of respect for the trainer or the audience.  In such kind of bowing, there is not intention of worship.  Is these kind of expression of respect permissible?

A2.  It is permissible;  but adherence to the ihtiyat mentioned above is better.          
Allah knows the best.        
25 Sha`ban 1417        
Ali al-Husayni As-Sistani  
  
Source: http://www.al-islam....k/msg00340.html

[Shia_Debater]

I think by the meaning above Seyed Sistani (ha) is saying that its better (ihtiyat) to not bow down from the waist, regardless of how far you are bowing.

[hameedeh]

Shia_Debater, on 25 September 2011 - 11:50 AM, said:

I think by the meaning above Seyed Sistani (ha) is saying that its better (ihtiyat) to not bow down from the waist, regardless of how far you are bowing.

Yes, I think bowing the head is ok, but not bending from the waist like in ruku. The varzesh-e pahlavani, or ritual martial arts training is in the zoorkhaneh, and the door is low and you have to bend yourself with respect to enter, but not from the waist, just the head.

[Aly ReZa]

I am just wondering that how people ask so little questions??

[kim.tinkerbell]

Wow lol I never knew that even for bowing down u need to ask ur marjia am not even joking.

[Shia_Debater]

aly reza, on 25 September 2011 - 02:11 PM, said:

I am just wondering that how people ask so little questions??

Because they want to make sure that they don't accidentally do what Allah (swt) has prohibited

kim.tinkerbell, on 25 September 2011 - 02:30 PM, said:

Wow lol I never knew that even for bowing down u need to ask ur marjia am not even joking.

But it's not like it's a daft question, it could be shirk because of bowing down to someone other than Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, it's actually a good question in my opinion.

[hameedeh]

Respect is not a small thing. The sports people bow in respect, humility and humbleness. They cannot be successful if they are arrogant. They are this way, and should be, because the only one who can raise his head up is the Lion of Allah, Imam Ali AS. All others must bow. If I cannot explain it properly, maybe in the future someone will tell you. InshaAllah

[kim.tinkerbell]

Shia_Debater, on 25 September 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

Because they want to make sure that they don't accidentally do what Allah (swt) has prohibited


But it's not like it's a daft question, it could be shirk because of bowing down to someone other than Allah سبحانه وتعالى, it's actually a good question in my opinion.

Am not saying anyting about the question. I genuinely thought it was oky to bow down . I think its about ur intentions. Thanks for letting me know that it can be classifed as shirk.

[Shia_Debater]

kim.tinkerbell, on 25 September 2011 - 02:54 PM, said:

Am not saying anyting about the question. I genuinely thought it was oky to bow down . I think its about ur intentions. Thanks for letting me know that it can be classifed as shirk.

Noooo it might not be shirk don't take my word for it.
I'm just saying based on Seyed Sistani's (ha) fatwa that it's better not to, it may be classified as shirk because of bowing down to someone other than Allah (swt) but please don't take my word for it I'm not a marja nor am I knowledgeable.

And sorry about saying the question isn't daft, I kind of thought you meant its a dumb question. Please forgive me.

Edited by Shia_Debater, 25 September 2011 - 03:15 PM.

[kim.tinkerbell]

May Allah forgive as all.

[Shia_Debater]

insha'Allah

[Jungie]

One form of Respect is when you keep your boundaries to yourself and not touch other boundaries without permission.