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[Haydar Husayn]

satyaban, on 20 December 2011 - 01:11 AM, said:

Apparently what you are complaining about are all legal in Islamic Law. I mean Haydar Husayn and others have cited the Quran to prove it. I am not a Muslim but they convinced me it is allowable. Does it put women at a disadvantage, well it looks like that to me but it is the law. It sounds unfair to me but again it is the Law and God knows best.

There are other islamic laws that put men at a disadvantage. For example, a man is obligated to provide for his wife and children, while the wife has no obligation to contribute anything to the household. Even if she does housework, she has the right to ask to be paid for it. So some laws favour men more, and some favour women more, but in the end they kind of balance each other out.

[satyaban]

La, on 20 December 2011 - 08:51 AM, said:

Secret mut'a isn't mentioned in the Quran. Please read Haydar Husayn's posts more carefully.

If you're talking about muta in general, then we all agree on that and I don't exactly see what's so unfair about it.

Though they are not the same I also favor legalization of prostitution.

[ImAli]

satyaban, on 20 December 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

Though they are not the same I also favor legalization of prostitution.

Making it illegal certainly hasn't stopped the oldest profession in the book has it LOL.

[Awaiting_for_the12th]

kim.tinkerbell, on 20 December 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

" O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion indeed some suspicion are sins" 49:12

Why would I troll around with my own people? If I wanted to troll I would be on a wahabi site stateing " you must be living in china town to think ma3wyia is khalfia"
Am not suprised that this is coming from you . Let me know when you go to hajji so the thanb your carrying will go.....
Think before you speak lil boy...

As for mr U.S.A aka waiting I am a born shia. Would a convert think that you have to stau clean till you get premenatliy married? Let me know if you have.

Just because I said oh he has to tell her and what a true relationship is about I get questioned about my faith? What am I the only one that thinks this way. Theirs alot people born shia that think this way...

Why do you people have to bring faith into everything a person says...

Hmmm I wonder why people leave islam ...maybe because if the want answers to their question they get crticied and questioned about their faith. Some just dont even try to understand where the person is coming from. They just jump and suspicet you sure your a shia?

Mr satyaban you see they make it look like a woman is oppressed and she has no rights bla bla bla lol
But islam has givin woman alot of rights that some men try to cover up. The sad fact is that is islam was the 1st to give woman rights yet the media makes it look like we have no rights. But is it their faulity because us muslims have allowed them to talk like this because one person say islam is like this when its not but how would the others know that what some musilms say is not part of islam...

The op was beaten up did the propht ever beat up any of his wifes ? No he never.
If a not wrong but the propht(pbuh) stated that" Nobody respects woman but those who are dignified and generouse and nobody insults them but those who are mean and contemptible".

And for the despreat ones that dont think this for you . "  One who rushes madly after inordinate desire, run the risk of encountering destruction and death" Imam ali

And for the hard core polgyment " And you will never be able to be equal (in feelings) between wives , even if you should strive to do so" 4:129

Funny no one showed these sayings I guss its only a limited edition book only specilised with muta ....
Oh hubbe check my records their probably cleaner then yours by far. I aint low life to troll you would say anything to get me banned I see you tripping lil one....
Oh you see everyone can back their points with hadiths mr y...
And dont ever question me about my faith do you understand that when I see you in the day of judgment I show how shia I am mr usa.....

wow ok. Again, only emotions.

[kim.tinkerbell]

Awaiting_for_the12th, on 21 December 2011 - 02:43 AM, said:

only emotions.

It takes one to know one.....
What you wowing ??? Anyways your asking for all this even thou you dont desrve any of it...
I guss your emotional side is working know.....

[a.shia.muslim.brother.110]

Salam u alaykom all,

Sorry to be a bit off the topic. But, I'm actually looking for a true Shia revert wife.

Please feel free to contact me for more details:

a.shia.muslim.brother.110@gmail.com

assalam u alaykom

[Hoper]

Asalam Aleikum

Interesting posts and I did not read them all, just would like to say as a former Salafi that many followers of the Quran and Ahlul Bayt have a narrow minded and a cultural pre-Islamic view on Mutah. We can see our Ulema and muqalids give 3 hours khutbah on how halal Mutah is and bring fabulous logical arguments and strong Quranic and hadith evidence, but in reality may of us end up doing taqlid on this issue to the 2nd Khalifah.

sur Imams do not use words out of the blue and the famous hadith of Imam Ali that Mutah is a mercy from Allah to mankind (or Ummah) not sure about the exact wording is an excellent explanation. The reality is that man's Fitra is polygamous and if women would take an open minded and culturally non-bias view on this many problems in gender relations would be solved in our community and in the wider world. Even in Mexico today they realize that permanent marriage cannot be the only solution to gender relations in the contemporary global setting, worth reading this news - Mexico City plans 'renewable' marriage  http://www.bbc.co.uk...merica-15114406
I am blessed in marrying a women who does not make what Allah made halal for me a restriction. However, I would like to hear what women have to say about positive experiences of Mutah. How did it help you in your life, spiritual growth, finding a permanent husband and not committing Haram and so on. There is so much negative written about Mutah due to prioritizing ones ethnic customs over Islam, so I would like to hear positive experiences.

[Hoper]

Asalamu Ualeikum!

Would any sisters give a reply on their positive view on Mutah? How did it help you in your life, spiritual growth, finding a permanent husband and not committing Haram and so on. There is so much negative written about Mutah due to prioritizing ones ethnic customs over Islam, so I would like to hear positive experience from women. By sharing your positive perspective on this, you are actually revving the Sunna of the Prophet and his Ahlul Bayt .

Edited by Hoper, 24 July 2012 - 05:10 PM.

[Walkin' Fashion Statement]

Hoper, on 24 July 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Asalamu Ualeikum!

Would any sisters give a reply on their positive view on Mutah? How did it help you in your life, spiritual growth, finding a permanent husband and not committing Haram and so on. There is so much negative written about Mutah due to prioritizing ones ethnic customs over Islam, so I would like to hear positive experience from women. By sharing your positive perspective on this, you are actually revving the Sunna of the Prophet and his Ahlul Bayt .

Well I never really did mutah with any man, but I think Mutah is a great way for two people that are interested in one another to get to know each other without accidentally maybe committing haram. I think most women would refuse to do "sex" mutah with a random person. I would refuse too because it feels wrong to sleep with someone you aren't even attracted to. But no sexual contact in Mutah is what I would accept If I was attracted to that person.
In today's society, Mutah is frowned upon by some families even if it's under a no sexual contact contract. The ideal way of marrying is permanent marriage. Some families do not understand that this is a great way for their children to not commit zina or any other haram acts.
Finding a permanent decent husband may be hard because some men do not like their wives to be "experienced". They get suspicious of her committing haram which is totally ridiculous.

[Hoper]

Salams,

Thank you for the input. It is true that Muslim men are eager to use this halal channel but when women do so they are looked down upon, it comes from the lack of ideological commitment to Islam and prioritizing ones ethnic identity over the Islamic one, this is less the case in the West where the 2nd generation of Muslims is much more committed to Islam as a way of life rather than a religion of their mom and dad.

When I witness cultural influences on Islam, I remember the words of Ayatollah Fadlllah (May Allah Reward him) - Muslims made holy things unholy and unholy things holy.

Thank you sister.

Edited by Hoper, 24 July 2012 - 06:02 PM.