DeeeeeBo, on 29 August 2011 - 02:51 AM, said:
You know you started off by showing ikhla2 , but you seriously threw it all down the drain, with such a stupid statement/question !!!
You do not know anything about me. You didnt even take into consideration what i said, you merely saw me as in this case "anti-mut3a" , and started to do what most people do this days, start regurgitating hadiths like there is no tomorrow trying to justify your stance, on a topic that is blown out of proportion, and you have mis understood what i said.
And what was the substance of your post? That all pro-muta/polygamy people are hypocrites since in your opinion they wouldn't like their female relatives to be involved in such relationships, based on no more evidence than your own baseless assumptions?
Your sentence "gee no wonder why SUnnis are laughing at us, something that Allah Blessed us with, so we can cope in certain circumstances has been BLOWN out of proportion to fulfill mans sexual desires" clearly implies a degree of restrictiveness on the use of muta which is not supported by the narrations on the subject.
Like Im Ali is saying, Mut3a within itself, is halal, there is nothing wrong with it, but do you think it is being practiced these days the way it should ?
No, I don't think it is been practiced the way it should, but probably for different reasons than you.
another personal question, you do not have to answer me, but if you did, it would help greatly !!!
Are you married bro ? if so, would you do mut3a behind your wifes back ? just answer me that honestly ?
Sorry, I don't answer personal questions, since I prefer to debate ideas and not personalities. All I will say is I am not a hypocrite. I wouldn't advocate something as halal whilst making it haraam on myself.
just because its halal, doesnt make it the right thing to do, somethings are halal, but when you abuse it, it becomes haram...
What is abuse of muta according to you?
As far as im concerned anything that harms the body, soul, and mind in Islam is forbidden. This is why alcohol is haram in the form on drinks, yet halal to clean your hands with and in medication !
Under what circumstances would muta be forbidden?
Meat might be halal bro, but if you eat too much meat, dont exercise and sit around all day, you will eventually cause some type of harm to yourself, doesnt make meat haram does it ?
the word is moderation and circumstances. Throwing the "its halal" stamp of authority over it, does not give you the chance to do it.
I don't think I ever said anything about not doing things in moderation. Did I ever write that people should spend their whole time doing muta? I'm not even advocating people do it, even though the hadiths seem pretty clear on that, just defending it's absolute permissibility against efforts to restrict it into virtual non-existence.
Would you like it if your father was doing Mut3a with a lady ? while still married to your mother ? be honest with me !
What does this have to do with anything? Whether I would like it or not would in no way affect it's permissibility or desirability. However, let's say I didn't like it, I would have to force myself to accept it since I am a Muslim. Therefore I should accept what is acceptable to Allah, and not just what non-Muslim society finds acceptable. What kind of Muslim would criticise their father for doing something the Prophet
did (muta while married) anyway?
Sometimes I wonder about some of you. You can't even do enough jihad an-nafs to put up with muta or polygamy, but you would no doubt tell people attracted to members of the same sex that they should control their desires. Halal and haraam have nothing to do with human desires.
Would you like it to happen to your sister ? what if the male she done it with was only using her ? she ends up being heart broken, the guy continues on, taking advantage of good decent Muslima sisters, only causing more damage then he did good, only to justify his act by throwing around hadiths !!!
No one is forced to do muta. If they aren't capable of handling the emotions that could arise after a muta expires, then they shouldn't do it. Virgin girls of a young age (who are most likely to be affect in the way you say) should also probably avoid muta.
Im not against mut3a, im not saying its haram, im not saying those who like it are devils, i just dont like how everything is mut3a mut3a mut3a its halal because its mut3a its ok because its mut3a, Imam so and so said its fine so ima do it...
didn't say it was just 'fine', they said it was highly recommended. Did you actually read those hadiths, or did you just skip over them? If they say it is highly recommended, then who are you to tell people to stay away from it?
So if according to hadiths bro, its fine so do you mind if i have your sisters email ?
im a really nice guy, i respect women, im actually engaged, but hey thats cool, im allowed to right ? i promise wallahi i wont treat her bad, im a good looking guy, with a bit of charm, i wont let her down wallah i wont
help a brother out, its what the Imams would want !!!!!
Interesting that you are 'engaged', which means nothing in Islam. So you are busy opposing Islamic institutions, while being involved in a non-Islamic one.
If thats ok with you of coarse ? im a Muslim, and according to Islam and Ahlul Bayt, to reject someone who is a decent Muslim, for no reason and not give him the chance, is considered haram, so if you are as true to your words as you claim, can i please approach your sister !
Thanks brother you have been really helpful !
You seem confused. It is the girl's father or grandfather you need to be approaching for permission, not the brother. You can of course approach whoever you want, but I think you need to remind yourself that they don't need to accept. Also, if your attitude to muta and polygamy is any indication, you probably aren't on the level to assume you can't be rejected by the father (or indeed the girl) on Islamic grounds.
And they serve beside Allah what can neither harm them nor profit them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Do you (presume to) inform Allah of what He knows not in the heavens and the earth? Glory be to Him, and supremely exalted is He above what they set up (with Him). [Qur'an 10:18, Shakir translation]
Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful. [Qur'an 39:3, Shakir translation]