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[asma0401]

My father. I'm sure he heard from scholars so I know it's true. Of course theres going to be rules with it.

[Haydar Husayn]

asma0401, on 15 September 2011 - 09:32 PM, said:

My father. I'm sure he heard from scholars so I know it's true. Of course theres going to be rules with it.

Sorry to tell you, but your father is wrong, although it's quite a widespread belief among the general Shia public. No scholar worth anything would ever say such a thing however. The rules for muta are essentially the same as for permanent marriage. There are not all these restrictions that you think.

[BabyBeaverIsAKit]

Haider Husayn, on 30 August 2011 - 05:28 PM, said:

I find it very hard to believe that this is the main reason women don't want their husbands doing muta. In fact, other than you, I don't think I've ever heard anyone bring it up. I can believe that you have your own complex about STDs, but for the majority of women this would just be  convenient excuse to be able to oppose their husbands doing muta while being able to claim it is not because of jealousy.

This isn't the main reason for many women, including me, but it is a stone cold, solid, legitimate reason. So what if it is a convenient reason, another roadblock to polygamy? That doesn't nullify or decrease the legitimacy of such a concern. STDs are REAL and they can ruin lives-- literally-- they can kill. Perhaps the problem is that, to you, STDs belong to another fantasy world, but maybe you've never seen someone dying from an STD.

STDs are real.

Edited by BabyBeaverIsAKit, 15 September 2011 - 10:01 PM.

[Awaiting_for_the12th]

asma0401, on 15 September 2011 - 09:32 PM, said:

My father. I'm sure he heard from scholars so I know it's true. Of course theres going to be rules with it.

When did your father became a Marja taqleed? How was his experience in Qom?

[heba1010]

As-Salaamu alaykum

I have a question about a temp marrige ? is this an intention that the man has made to the woman or is a cermony ? My husband said he has expresses his inteniton toward my future co wife ??? Im not trying to upset anything but I dont want our union to be unpleasing to Allah.

[Haydar Husayn]

heba1010, on 16 September 2011 - 05:54 AM, said:

As-Salaamu alaykum

I have a question about a temp marrige ? is this an intention that the man has made to the woman or is a cermony ? My husband said he has expresses his inteniton toward my future co wife ??? Im not trying to upset anything but I dont want our union to be unpleasing to Allah.

It's basically just an oral contract that doesn't require witnesses, so to be honest even if he didn't actually perfom the muta you wouldn't be able to prove it. However, if he doesn't know about muta, or isn't clear on how it is contracted, then you might be able to get him to admit that he hasn't done it.

I'm not sure what he means by 'intention', but if he means it like an 'engagement', where he has made a promise to marry her some time in the future, then that is not valid, and any kind of physical contact between them would remain haraam.

[ImAli]

BabyBeaverIsAKit, on 15 September 2011 - 09:58 PM, said:

This isn't the main reason for many women, including me, but it is a stone cold, solid, legitimate reason. So what if it is a convenient reason, another roadblock to polygamy? That doesn't nullify or decrease the legitimacy of such a concern. STDs are REAL and they can ruin lives-- literally-- they can kill. Perhaps the problem is that, to you, STDs belong to another fantasy world, but maybe you've never seen someone dying from an STD.

STDs are real.

Ever seen a case of neonatal herpes?

[heba1010]

Haider Husayn, on 16 September 2011 - 06:47 AM, said:

It's basically just an oral contract that doesn't require witnesses, so to be honest even if he didn't actually perfom the muta you wouldn't be able to prove it. However, if he doesn't know about muta, or isn't clear on how it is contracted, then you might be able to get him to admit that he hasn't done it.

I'm not sure what he means by 'intention', but if he means it like an 'engagement', where he has made a promise to marry her some time in the future, then that is not valid, and any kind of physical contact between them would remain haraam.

Thanks you for your post. Well she is living in my old house with him, I ask my husband if he had been with her when I 1st found out he told me at that time no. I am not sure if he didnt want to hurt me more at that time or not. Im just not sure how to approach the question about if they have been. Im not sure if its not my bussines or he will think that Im trying to find out too much about them. I know he hugs and kiss her but not sure how far past that its went. I m not sure of her STD status when I mention it when we first meet she seem to get offened since she was unaware that he had been sleeping with me the whole time they were together. Im not sure why they are not getting married its like im allready sharing my husband and I have to consider her and her kids. Many sister tell me that he wrong on how he is doing this. they think he has doudt about this woman and dont know how to end it due to the fact that he has meet her kids and they dont have a man in their life so he feels he needs to fill that need with them. It feels like something that can be so speical and a blessing to all of us is turing into a mess that you would see in the lives of a non-belivers life not in the lives of muslims .

[Haydar Husayn]

heba1010, on 17 September 2011 - 07:20 AM, said:

Thanks you for your post. Well she is living in my old house with him, I ask my husband if he had been with her when I 1st found out he told me at that time no. I am not sure if he didnt want to hurt me more at that time or not. Im just not sure how to approach the question about if they have been. Im not sure if its not my bussines or he will think that Im trying to find out too much about them. I know he hugs and kiss her but not sure how far past that its went. I m not sure of her STD status when I mention it when we first meet she seem to get offened since she was unaware that he had been sleeping with me the whole time they were together. Im not sure why they are not getting married its like im allready sharing my husband and I have to consider her and her kids. Many sister tell me that he wrong on how he is doing this. they think he has doudt about this woman and dont know how to end it due to the fact that he has meet her kids and they dont have a man in their life so he feels he needs to fill that need with them. It feels like something that can be so speical and a blessing to all of us is turing into a mess that you would see in the lives of a non-belivers life not in the lives of muslims .

If he doesn't have any type of marriage contract with her, then his relationship is completely haraam, even if all he has done is hug and kiss her (which I really doubt by the way). I also find it really strange that this women would be unaware that your husband had been sleeping with you. Did she not know he was already married? Or did she think he was in the process of leaving with you.

The whole way your husband has gone about this seem completely wrong to me, and it appears like he is tryinig to justify some sinful extra-marital relationship by using the fact that polygyny is allowed in Islam. I think you need to either talk to your husband yourself, or get someone he respects to talk to him, preferable a person knowledgeable about Islam. What he is doing is completely wrong.

By the way, what religion is this woman, if I may ask? I think you mentioned in another thread that she is not a Muslim. Is she at least a Christian or a Jew?

I know brother alimohamad40 might disagree with this, but I don't think a man should marry a non-Muslim when he already has a Muslim wife (whether a Muslim can marry a Christian or a Jew at all is even the matter of some debate).

7 – Chapter on the impermissibility marrying the Jewish woman and the Christian woman upon the Muslim woman (i.e. newly marrying one of the former when one already has a Muslim wife) and the permissibility of the reverse

1 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from `Ali b. al-Hakam from al-`Ala b. Razin from Muhammad b. Muslim from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام.  He said: Do not marry the Jewish woman and (nor – in the masdar) the Christian woman upon the Muslim woman.

2 – And from a number of our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Khalid al-Barqi from `Uthman b. `Isa from Sama`a b. Mihran.  He said: I asked him about the Jewish woman and the Christian woman, does the man marry her upon the Muslim woman?  He said: No, but he marries the Muslim woman upon the Jewish woman and the Christian woman.


3 – And from Muhammad b. Yahya from `Abdullah b. Muhammad from `Ali b. al-Hakam from Aban b. `Uthman from `Abd ar-Rahman b. Abi `Abdillah.  He said: I asked Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام: Is it (allowed) for the man to marry the Christian woman upon the Muslim woman, and the slave woman upon the freewoman? So he said: Do not marry any one of them upon the Muslim woman, but marry the Muslim woman upon the slave woman and the Christian woman.  And for the Muslim woman is the two-thirds and for the slave woman and the Christian woman the third.

4 – Muhammad b. `Ali b. al-Husayn by his isnad from al-Hasan b. Mahbub from Hisham b. Salim from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام regarding a man who married a dhimmi woman upon a Muslim woman.  He said: They are separated and he is struck an eighth of the hadd of the fornicator, twelve and a half lashes.  So if the Muslim woman accepts (or, is content) he is struck an eighth of the hadd and they are not separated.  I said: How is he struck the half?  He said: The lash is taken by the middle (or, the half) and he is struck with it.
al-Kulayni narrated it from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Salih b. Sa`id from one of our companions from Mansur b. Hazim from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام likewise.
I say: The absence of separation is understood to be upon taqiyya.

5 – And by his isnad from Sa`dan from Abu Basir from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام.  He said: Do not marry the Jewish woman nor the Christian woman upon the freewoman in mut`a and other than mut`a.

http://www.tashayyu....he-muslim-woman

[heba1010]

Haider Husayn, on 17 September 2011 - 07:52 AM, said:

If he doesn't have any type of marriage contract with her, then his relationship is completely haraam, even if all he has done is hug and kiss her (which I really doubt by the way). I also find it really strange that this women would be unaware that your husband had been sleeping with you. Did she not know he was already married? Or did she think he was in the process of leaving with you.

The whole way your husband has gone about this seem completely wrong to me, and it appears like he is tryinig to justify some sinful extra-marital relationship by using the fact that polygyny is allowed in Islam. I think you need to either talk to your husband yourself, or get someone he respects to talk to him, preferable a person knowledgeable about Islam. What he is doing is completely wrong.

By the way, what religion is this woman, if I may ask? I think you mentioned in another thread that she is not a Muslim. Is she at least a Christian or a Jew?

I know brother alimohamad40 might disagree with this, but I don't think a man should marry a non-Muslim when he already has a Muslim wife (whether a Muslim can marry a Christian or a Jew at all is even the matter of some debate).

7 – Chapter on the impermissibility marrying the Jewish woman and the Christian woman upon the Muslim woman (i.e. newly marrying one of the former when one already has a Muslim wife) and the permissibility of the reverse

1 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from `Ali b. al-Hakam from al-`Ala b. Razin from Muhammad b. Muslim from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام.  He said: Do not marry the Jewish woman and (nor – in the masdar) the Christian woman upon the Muslim woman.

2 – And from a number of our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Khalid al-Barqi from `Uthman b. `Isa from Sama`a b. Mihran.  He said: I asked him about the Jewish woman and the Christian woman, does the man marry her upon the Muslim woman?  He said: No, but he marries the Muslim woman upon the Jewish woman and the Christian woman.


3 – And from Muhammad b. Yahya from `Abdullah b. Muhammad from `Ali b. al-Hakam from Aban b. `Uthman from `Abd ar-Rahman b. Abi `Abdillah.  He said: I asked Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام: Is it (allowed) for the man to marry the Christian woman upon the Muslim woman, and the slave woman upon the freewoman? So he said: Do not marry any one of them upon the Muslim woman, but marry the Muslim woman upon the slave woman and the Christian woman.  And for the Muslim woman is the two-thirds and for the slave woman and the Christian woman the third.

4 – Muhammad b. `Ali b. al-Husayn by his isnad from al-Hasan b. Mahbub from Hisham b. Salim from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام regarding a man who married a dhimmi woman upon a Muslim woman.  He said: They are separated and he is struck an eighth of the hadd of the fornicator, twelve and a half lashes.  So if the Muslim woman accepts (or, is content) he is struck an eighth of the hadd and they are not separated.  I said: How is he struck the half?  He said: The lash is taken by the middle (or, the half) and he is struck with it.
al-Kulayni narrated it from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Salih b. Sa`id from one of our companions from Mansur b. Hazim from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام likewise.
I say: The absence of separation is understood to be upon taqiyya.

5 – And by his isnad from Sa`dan from Abu Basir from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام.  He said: Do not marry the Jewish woman nor the Christian woman upon the freewoman in mut`a and other than mut`a.

http://www.tashayyu....he-muslim-woman

She has taken her shahadah a few months ago with my husband. As far as what she knew about me was that I had to go live with my son for a few months to help him out . I think your correct my husband knew that I didnt have a problem with him taking a co-wife it was something that we had talked about. But I think your correct he meet this woman in the wrong way and now he is attempting to say since I had was away for 2 months he went looking for someone but his conduct was not correct with her. kNowing  that Im not having an issue with it , I think she thought he would leave me for her but that was not it at all. I dont think he told her when I returned to town . I think this woman stroked his ego while I was away and since he is such a needy person and I am a very independant person that is very obentaint wife but he works out of town alot and I can maintain the house and keep my modesty without issue . he was pulled in to this woman due to acting like she was so helpless and needed him so much.

[ImAli]

heba1010, on 17 September 2011 - 07:20 AM, said:

Thanks you for your post. Well she is living in my old house with him, I ask my husband if he had been with her when I 1st found out he told me at that time no. I am not sure if he didnt want to hurt me more at that time or not. Im just not sure how to approach the question about if they have been. Im not sure if its not my bussines or he will think that Im trying to find out too much about them. I know he hugs and kiss her but not sure how far past that its went. I m not sure of her STD status when I mention it when we first meet she seem to get offened since she was unaware that he had been sleeping with me the whole time they were together. Im not sure why they are not getting married its like im allready sharing my husband and I have to consider her and her kids. Many sister tell me that he wrong on how he is doing this. they think he has doudt about this woman and dont know how to end it due to the fact that he has meet her kids and they dont have a man in their life so he feels he needs to fill that need with them. It feels like something that can be so speical and a blessing to all of us is turing into a mess that you would see in the lives of a non-belivers life not in the lives of muslims .

You do realize you can have your own separate account? The reason I am asking is because you say that you are working full time. As for the STD status demand to know and to see the tests, don't worry about anyone's feelings on that matter.

[heba1010]

ImAli, on 17 September 2011 - 08:09 AM, said:

You do realize you can have your own separate account? The reason I am asking is because you say that you are working full time. As for the STD status demand to know and to see the tests, don't worry about anyone's feelings on that matter.

oh yes my money is my own even before this woman can into the picuture. we are all going to meet next week so I will bring it up again.

[alimohamad40]

Most important thing is clarify if he has done marriage or fornication, This is the most dangerous part . if he chose fornication while god has given him the marriage option then you have to stand against him and condemn him.

brother haydar:
I realize that sistani says the man can not marry a kitabi permanently and can not do mutah with a ketabi as a second wife if he had a Muslim wife based on obligatory precaution

but its strange because the verse advocates marrying the kitabies so how can we explain the point of the verse in sourat al an3am which say " and the muhsanaat from the women who were given the book"
any way this is another discussion all together
also when you face a marja3 which has Ihtyat you don't have to follow his confused opinion because ihtyat means " i am confused" so you can refer to other scholars who are not confused about the issue under what they call Tab3eeth
any way this is another discussion not here but for this lady the most important thing in my opinion is to interrogate him if he uses marriage or uses fornication because that it very important to her.   If he uses fornication then she has to start disassociating herself from him unless he repents and changes his lifestyle
if he uses marriage then why on earth keep such secrecy and get busted and all.

Regarding STD you can ask the other girl nicely and not offend her and maybe she wants to know the same thing about you so you can probably show her yours and ask for her tests ,

most people do not make a big deal of these things...  most these girls who are trying to make a big deal about it themselves end up marrying a man who probably gone with a thousand women before them but they never make an issue but the moment you say polygyny they all start shouting STD AIDS HERPS
in arabic they say " Qamees Uthman"  (the shirt of uthman)

Edited by alimohamad40, 17 September 2011 - 08:31 AM.

[ImAli]

alimohamad40, on 17 September 2011 - 08:30 AM, said:

Regarding STD you can ask the other girl nicely and not offend her and maybe she wants to know the same thing about you so you can probably show her yours and ask for her tests ,

most people do not make a big deal of these things...  most these girls who are trying to make a big deal about it themselves end up marrying a man who probably gone with a thousand women before them but they never make an issue but the moment you say polygyny they all start shouting STD AIDS HERPS
in arabic they say " Qamees Uthman"  (the shirt of uthman)

Oh please alimohammed40, as a health care professional I must say that diseases are very real and I don't wish them on anyone. The people who don't make a big deal out of diseases do this out of ignorance and it has nothing to do with religion.

[BabyBeaverIsAKit]

Alimohamad40, STDs are real. They are not fake. They can be devastating, destroying families and lives.

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most people do not make a big deal of these things... most these girls who are trying to make a big deal about it themselves end up marrying a man who probably gone with a thousand women before them but they never make an issue but the moment you say polygyny they all start shouting STD AIDS HERPS

A. If a guy slept around in the past, but then stopped, and he hadn't acquired STDs up until that point, and he chooses at this point to engage in monogamy with a partner who will also be monogamous, then it is very unlikely that he will get infected with an STD, and very unlikely that he would infect his partner with an STD. So, it is safe for a woman to marry a man who has a bad past, provided he is no longer like that and doesn't have an STD due to his past; it is okay for her to marry him because she won't be getting an STD from him!

B. This is different from the situation of polygamy that you mention, in which the man is sleeping around with multiple women while being married to his permanent wife. There is an ongoing threat of obtaining STDs.

See the difference? In A, he doesn't have an STD right now despite his past and isn't in danger of getting one, and in B, he has the ongoing threat of acquiring an STD. VERY different situations, lol, it's not hard to see!

ImAli, on 17 September 2011 - 08:46 AM, said:

Oh please alimohammed40, as a health care professional I must say that diseases are very real and I don't wish them on anyone. The people who don't make a big deal out of diseases do this out of ignorance and it has nothing to do with religion.

Yes, alimohammed40, please educate yourself! Please do not live in ignorance!

Edited by BabyBeaverIsAKit, 17 September 2011 - 08:56 AM.

[ImAli]

Might I add a very reliable link for those who wish to educate themselves because it seems we have an abundance of invincible people on this forum. http://www.cdc.gov/std/

BTW....did any of you know that 1 in 5 people have herpes and over half of them don't even know it....oh yeah and you can look beautiful and healthy while being infected with HIV.

Edited by ImAli, 17 September 2011 - 09:04 AM.

[Awaiting_for_the12th]

i have never heard any one else beat up the topic of STD's like some are here. An honest question ImAli: Did you ask your husband for his tests when you met him, or you actually had the conversation about how the marriage should be and what the responsibilities are etc (you know the stuff Imams said to discuss). Yes, STD's are real, but that doesn't mean everyone has them. Mostly if a person is from paki background, they dont have STD's hence us guys dont have problem with it. You being in health profession makes sense that you take you job seriously (a little too seriously), but the other sister is pretty much agreeing with anyone who shares her viewpoint even if they are not islamic (definitely someone to be avoided).

ImAli, on 17 September 2011 - 09:03 AM, said:

Might I add a very reliable link for those who wish to educate themselves because it seems we have an abundance of invincible people on this forum. http://www.cdc.gov/std/

BTW....did any of you know that 1 in 5 people have herpes and over half of them don't even know it....oh yeah and you can look beautiful and healthy while being infected with HIV.

..and 1 in 4 people in my university had Herpes, but guess what only 1% of them were muslims (out of 20000 students). I can throw in random stats too, but they should be kept in perspective

[BabyBeaverIsAKit]

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You being in health profession makes sense that you take you job seriously (a little too seriously), but the other sister is pretty much agreeing with anyone who shares her viewpoint even if they are not islamic (definitely someone to be avoided).

Ummm......no...I've met people with STDs like HIV, I've seen people dying of them. This is serious business. It's not a reality to people like you who are living in a sheltered little world.

Oh yeah, Muslims don't have STDs, just like there are no gay Muslims LOL. Muslims don't just do polygamy/mutah with Muslims, so even if this ridiculous statement were true, that Muslims don't have STDs, they are having sex with populations that do have STDs.

[ImAli]

Awaiting_for_the12th, on 17 September 2011 - 10:43 AM, said:

i have never heard any one else beat up the topic of STD's like some are here. An honest question ImAli: Did you ask your husband for his tests when you met him, or you actually had the conversation about how the marriage should be and what the responsibilities are etc (you know the stuff Imams said to discuss). Yes, STD's are real, but that doesn't mean everyone has them. Mostly if a person is from paki background, they dont have STD's hence us guys dont have problem with it. You being in health profession makes sense that you take you job seriously (a little too seriously), but the other sister is pretty much agreeing with anyone who shares her viewpoint even if they are not islamic (definitely someone to be avoided).

Actually we married in Lebanon and we both had a a complete examination along with blood work (mandatory). Obviously the sharia court didn't find the idea of STD's and diseases a non-issue because they wanted the results of ours tests before they married us. I am not taking my job too seriously, but I must say I was very disturbed with a few causes of neonatal herpes I happened to witness and help treat. Also if you read the sisters post...........it seems her new co wife is a recent convert (convert for marriage) of western descent with 3 children. Even if the new woman wasn't promiscuous.....does that make it impossible that her ex husband didn't cheat on her and spread something without her knowledge. They must have divorced for a reason...or did she have the kids out of wedlock from all different fathers? It is not fair that someone gets offended and I find it very selfish of the new co wife to be "offended" by this question because she is not the only person in the picture. Just a clear example of how what happens in one household spills over into the other household, maybe one day people will realize that. So excuse me if mine and another sisters nice dose of reality on the condition of the modern world may seem unislamic. As far as I am concerned and most others are concerned, the protection of ones health and self defense is not against God or unislamic or against any religion for that matter.

Awaiting_for_the12th, on 17 September 2011 - 10:44 AM, said:

..and 1 in 4 people in my university had Herpes, but guess what only 1% of them were muslims (out of 20000 students). I can throw in random stats too, but they should be kept in perspective

The new co-wife was not muslim and not a virgin.

Edited by ImAli, 17 September 2011 - 11:17 AM.

[BabyBeaverIsAKit]

ImAli, maybe he has discovered a new cure to STDs. If you convert to Islam, you are cured of all STDs. My goodness, if other people discover this, we'll have throngs of people converting.

[ImAli]

BabyBeaverIsAKit, on 17 September 2011 - 10:58 AM, said:

ImAli, maybe he has discovered a new cure to STDs. If you convert to Islam, you are cured of all STDs. My goodness, if other people discover this, we'll have throngs of people converting.

hahahahaha.....True....while converting to Islam may clear your prior sins and mistakes (if the conversion is sincere and not just for marriage purposes).............converting certainly doesn't restore your health.

[Awaiting_for_the12th]

BabyBeaverIsAKit, on 17 September 2011 - 10:58 AM, said:

ImAli, maybe he has discovered a new cure to STDs. If you convert to Islam, you are cured of all STDs. My goodness, if other people discover this, we'll have throngs of people converting.

that doesnt help the essence of islam. I was about to say something really mean but then I wont let my ego get better of me.
Since both of you share same opinions, both of you will be put together in the same company in hereafter. (hadith about person being raised in the company he enjoyed.) Hence, i brought up the point to ImAli that the other sister is saying some unislamic things so you rather be careful on whose comments you "Like This"
I heard it in lecture that if you listen to someone you are actually doing their ibadat, and if what he is saying is about Allah (swt) then you are actually doing ibada of Allah (swt) (one of the reason why Azadari holds so much merit). This all relates to Irfan, not sure if they teach you that at health department. The diseases (jealousy, arrogance, etc) of the soul, you know the one that actually matters?

[ImAli]

Awaiting_for_the12th, on 17 September 2011 - 11:30 AM, said:

that doesnt help the essence of islam. I was about to say something really mean but then I wont let my ego get better of me.
Since both of you share same opinions, both of you will be put together in the same company in hereafter. (hadith about person being raised in the company he enjoyed.) Hence, i brought up the point to ImAli that the other sister is saying some unislamic things so you rather be careful on whose comments you "Like This"
I heard it in lecture that if you listen to someone you are actually doing their ibadat, and if what he is saying is about Allah (swt) then you are actually doing ibada of Allah (swt) (one of the reason why Azadari holds so much merit). This all relates to Irfan, not sure if they teach you that at health department. The diseases (jealousy, arrogance, etc) of the soul, you know the one that actually matters?

I see, so according to you I am going to hell because I agree with certain comments that are logical and make complete sense. Not to mention the comments are on a forum full of creepy self appointed scholars. Nice try...I know this trick after being on this forum for a few weeks.......if you don't agree CALL IT UNISLAMIC.

[BabyBeaverIsAKit]

Awaiting_for_the12th, on 17 September 2011 - 11:30 AM, said:

that doesnt help the essence of islam. I was about to say something really mean but then I wont let my ego get better of me.
Since both of you share same opinions, both of you will be put together in the same company in hereafter. (hadith about person being raised in the company he enjoyed.) Hence, i brought up the point to ImAli that the other sister is saying some unislamic things so you rather be careful on whose comments you "Like This"
I heard it in lecture that if you listen to someone you are actually doing their ibadat, and if what he is saying is about Allah (swt) then you are actually doing ibada of Allah (swt) (one of the reason why Azadari holds so much merit). This all relates to Irfan, not sure if they teach you that at health department. The diseases (jealousy, arrogance, etc) of the soul, you know the one that actually matters?

What unIslamic things is she saying? I didn't know it was unIslamic to care about one's health. Haven't you heard that "Saving the life of one is like saying the life of all of mankind"??? That's a very Islamic concept, and you commit a huge sin by playing with people's lives by telling them they can have sex without thinking of the consequences. What if someone actually listened to you and then got an STD that killed them? That death would be on your head, that is like murder and that is a horrible sin in Islam.

Edited by BabyBeaverIsAKit, 17 September 2011 - 11:59 AM.

[alimohamad40]

um ali

did you know that by the end of their lives in the western socity 80% of the women end up getting some sort of STD at some stage or another if they have a sexual life?

did this deter them?

also pregnancy causes some health issues did people stop having kids?

you can disable marriage because there is a risk.. the way you minimize the risk is by  testing and following the medical advice