A shocking waste of time! How does this "debate" address the 'Aqeedah and rituals of Islaam, that have now been eaten away by Bid'ah viruses. Anyways, traditionally, rijaal is a confused, self-contradictory science, and "scholars" have always differed on the authenticity or otherwise of narrators. No matter where you land in rijaal, you are still on the wrong track!
I agree with you, this kind of debate does not address the real reasons why Shias criticize abu Hurayra. Farid mentions that one of is two favorite narrators is Ibn Umar, the same man who said he would oppose anyone who would give bayah to someone other than Yazid.
When the people of Medina dethroned Yazid bin Muawiya, Ibn 'Umar gathered his special friends and children and said, "I heard the Prophet saying, 'A flag will be fixed for every betrayer on the Day of Resurrection,' and we have given the oath of allegiance to this person (Yazid) in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle and I do not know of anything more faithless than fighting a person who has been given the oath of allegiance in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle , and if ever I learn that any person among you has agreed to dethrone Yazid, by giving the oath of allegiance (to somebody else) then there will be separation between him and me."
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saima.bukhari, on 15 August 2011 - 08:53 AM, said:
I think the debate is good and through it one can analyze the fact through a basic level. The shia sunni differences are mainly grounded in the documented narrations. The same narrations are quoted in the exegesis of Quran as well by each side to prove their claim. If any of two participants proved their point , it would show gross errors and loopholes in the narration system of the school of the opposite. The debate is of a very scholarly level and its good that they picked on the core narrators. I can not research the Hadith sciences due to my lack of knowledge of Arabic and the basics of Hadith sciences so i will make my mind in the light of the result of this debate about the Hadiths of the two schools.
The rijal-authenticity haggling does not address issue the issue of narrator's biases like that of the one quoted above.
Edited by JimJam, 15 August 2011 - 09:06 AM.