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[Psychopath]

You should go there and check it out.

[A true Sunni]

Kazim Malik, on 09 August 2011 - 05:48 AM, said:

You have enemity of Maula IMam Al-Mehdi deeply seeded in your heart and sole.

Far from it. I Have deep love the Ahle Bait. I have such deep love that I want to make sure I am on the right side when the time comes. As such I check and verify each story as they appear. People like you because you listen to all the garbage spouted by Zakirs wont even recognise the Imam when he comes because the stories created by the Zakirs probably bear little resemblance to reality

Kazim Malik, on 09 August 2011 - 06:47 AM, said:

Before I paste a clip from net about Bermuda Triangle, Let me clarify some key points.
(Ref: Alabkari ul Hissan; Behar ul Anwar vol 52/53, Jazair e Khazra, Nehj ul Maarifat fe Asma ul Hujjat)

1.... There is a term Used Jazair e Khazra used in books quoting some incidences reported by some sailors who missed their sailing route and ported their ships at an iceland where the ruler was the Holy Son of Imam e Zamaan ajtfs.

2...They saw a group of 5 icelands in that rule. Distance between them was 7 days sailing time. So it is not one iceland.

3.... The areas are nice and clean, well ruled, but not Luxorious, The Noor Mehal of The Holy Prince sua was made up of KILK. Kilk is a very very soft type of thin straight wood like pieces, generally used to construct the hand made huts in forests. Small pieces of kilk were used in old times to make writing qalams.

4... Where are those 5 icelands located, no one knows.

5...  Maula Imam e Zamaan ajtfs does visit those icelands occasionally. HIS ajtfs mainstay is with human beings of different countries. Maula ajtfs performs Haj every year. Maula ajtfs attends different Azadari and Matamdari programmes. Attends funerals of Momineen..  Meets with piosed momineen and solves their problems.

6... Jazair e Khazra were needed to keep the Holy Progeny of Maula Imam e Zamaan ajtfs safe and away from the tyrants.

7..  It is also said that Selected momineen who are chosen to be a Nasir of Imam ajtfs at the end of occultation are kept and trained there.

AND THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT SAID HE WROTE IT AFTER A DREAM. THERE WERE NO LOST SAILORS NO ISLANDS NO RULERS NO NOTHING. THE MAN TRANSCRIBED HIS DREAM. WHY DO YOU GUYS NOT GO AND CHECK THE ORIGINAL/ WHY DO YOU GUYS NOT LISTEN TO THE MARJE AD PREFER TO LISTEN TO ZAKIRS. ARE YOU GUYS THAT JAHIL

[Kazim Malik]

Abu Hadi, on 09 August 2011 - 09:43 AM, said:

Br., the problem is that there has not been one single prominent alim (mujtahid) that has confirmed any part of what you say. They spend their entire lives studying ahadith, so if there is authentic, reliable ones I think they would know of them. There are two possibilities , First, that they islands do exist and they are keeping this secret in order to protect the Imam(a.f.a.s). If this is the case, then spreading news of this is actually working counter to what they are trying to do, and it is best not to talk about it. Second, they islands do not actually exist and the accounts of sailors are just idle talk and storytelling. Sailors love to tell stories, and this is well known. So in this case, broadcasting these is just broadcasting untruths regarding our Imam(a.f.a.s). It has the possibility to misguide some or our br and sis regarding him and you are contributing to this. If they take wrong actions based on this misguidance then there is accounting for this in the next day. It is not out of the question that some of our br and sis with some financial means may take steps like chartering a ship, etc. in order to reach the islands. In this case, they would be wasting their resources and this is israf (extravagence and wastefulness). So be careful In either case, there is no benefit to talking about this subject that I can see. The main problem I have with the existence of the islands is that there is no part of the earth that is unknown anymore. With modern technologies such as satellite imagery, a satellite can zoom in on any point on earth down to a distance of a few meters or less. Governments are monitoring almost every point on earth on a daily basis via satellite imagery and if there was a place where there was a group of people, beyond a two or three people, then they would eventually be seen by satellite and be discovered. If they have some kind of cloaking technology (like the klingons in Star Trek), then we have no way to verify and Allah Alim but I don't think we should assume that they do have it with no evidence. Take a look at this link (it is taken from Security Camera footage of the crowd at the Stanley Cup finals in Calgary, Canada last year) and let me know if there could be a 'hidden civilization' in modern times. http://www.gigapixel...canucks-g7.html Salams,

Dear Brother;
Pl look into following points:

* What I wrote was with a ref from two most authentic books. Though it has been talked in hundreds of books.
* You are not correct to say that ALL mujtehideen disagrre with the existance of Jazair e Khazra. I myself  have talked about it with some grand Ayat Ullas in Najaf and Qum who beleive that there are such islands. (Agha Khoi, Agha Mehdi Ul Hakeem, Agha Baqir ul Hakeem, Agha Behjat, Agha Waheed Khurasani, Agha Tahiri Khurramabadi). I have learnt from a friend about Agha Baqir us Sadr also in this line of beleivers but i could not meet him ever in my life. Agha Seestani did not agree with this concept and you perhaps are talking about him.
* About Technology : I am afraid your knowledge is not up to date. There is a stelith technology that can not be traced by radars.
There is a technology that is not traced by satellites. China is using that technology to camouflage its high value millitary instalments.
Pakistan is using that technology to camouflag its Nuclear Missiles and even with all their technology, US does not know where these missiles are located.
* A small thick layer of clouds can bluff the satellite immaging. we all know that its a divine indication of IMAM ajtfs that a cloud always covers over his Holy Self. May be.. I repeat May be.. it is the same cloud that has concealed the islands from satellite immaging.
* Bermuda Triangle it self is a proof that it is beyound the coverage of seteelite immaging. Perhaps that is a reason that people say that Jazair e Khazra are in Bermuda triangle. Wallah Aalam.

In the end I will request very very humbly .. Do not get afraid of enemies propegandas... That will make you deny some very very basic truths of Shiaism. We are not here to make every one beleive in our faith. Every human being does not even beleive in Allah jj. We need not to surrender just to look friendly. We are proud to be Shias and we know we are the best in our religious stance. Coz we have the true divine religion right from the divine source. We are the only one on the globe who can make this claim..
Divine religion .. all from divine source.

[A true Sunni]

Kazim Malik, on 09 August 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:

Dear Brother;
Pl look into following points:

* What I wrote was with a ref from two most authentic books. Though it has been talked in hundreds of books.
* You are not correct to say that ALL mujtehideen disagrre with the existance of Jazair e Khazra. I myself  have talked about it with some grand Ayat Ullas in Najaf and Qum who beleive that there are such islands. (Agha Khoi, Agha Mehdi Ul Hakeem, Agha Baqir ul Hakeem, Agha Behjat, Agha Waheed Khurasani, Agha Tahiri Khurramabadi). I have learnt from a friend about Agha Baqir us Sadr also in this line of beleivers but i could not meet him ever in my life. Agha Seestani did not agree with this concept and you perhaps are talking about him.
* About Technology : I am afraid your knowledge is not up to date. There is a stelith technology that can not be traced by radars.
There is a technology that is not traced by satellites. China is using that technology to camouflage its high value millitary instalments.
Pakistan is using that technology to camouflag its Nuclear Missiles and even with all their technology, US does not know where these missiles are located.
* A small thick layer of clouds can bluff the satellite immaging. we all know that its a divine indication of IMAM ajtfs that a cloud always covers over his Holy Self. May be.. I repeat May be.. it is the same cloud that has concealed the islands from satellite immaging.
* Bermuda Triangle it self is a proof that it is beyound the coverage of seteelite immaging. Perhaps that is a reason that people say that Jazair e Khazra are in Bermuda triangle. Wallah Aalam.

In the end I will request very very humbly .. Do not get afraid of enemies propegandas... That will make you deny some very very basic truths of Shiaism. We are not here to make every one beleive in our faith. Every human being does not even beleive in Allah jj. We need not to surrender just to look friendly. We are proud to be Shias and we know we are the best in our religious stance. Coz we have the true divine religion right from the divine source. We are the only one on the globe who can make this claim..
Divine religion .. all from divine source.

what does it matter what anyone says or more accurately what you claim they say since the original author said it was fiction.

[Abu Hadi]

Kazim Malik, on 09 August 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:

Dear Brother;
Pl look into following points:

* What I wrote was with a ref from two most authentic books. Though it has been talked in hundreds of books.
* You are not correct to say that ALL mujtehideen disagrre with the existance of Jazair e Khazra. I myself  have talked about it with some grand Ayat Ullas in Najaf and Qum who beleive that there are such islands. (Agha Khoi, Agha Mehdi Ul Hakeem, Agha Baqir ul Hakeem, Agha Behjat, Agha Waheed Khurasani, Agha Tahiri Khurramabadi). I have learnt from a friend about Agha Baqir us Sadr also in this line of beleivers but i could not meet him ever in my life. Agha Seestani did not agree with this concept and you perhaps are talking about him.
* About Technology : I am afraid your knowledge is not up to date. There is a stelith technology that can not be traced by radars.
There is a technology that is not traced by satellites. China is using that technology to camouflage its high value millitary instalments.
Pakistan is using that technology to camouflag its Nuclear Missiles and even with all their technology, US does not know where these missiles are located.
* A small thick layer of clouds can bluff the satellite immaging. we all know that its a divine indication of IMAM ajtfs that a cloud always covers over his Holy Self. May be.. I repeat May be.. it is the same cloud that has concealed the islands from satellite immaging.
* Bermuda Triangle it self is a proof that it is beyound the coverage of seteelite immaging. Perhaps that is a reason that people say that Jazair e Khazra are in Bermuda triangle. Wallah Aalam.

In the end I will request very very humbly .. Do not get afraid of enemies propegandas... That will make you deny some very very basic truths of Shiaism. We are not here to make every one beleive in our faith. Every human being does not even beleive in Allah jj. We need not to surrender just to look friendly. We are proud to be Shias and we know we are the best in our religious stance. Coz we have the true divine religion right from the divine source. We are the only one on the globe who can make this claim..
Divine religion .. all from divine source.

First point,

It is true that Allah(s.w.a) is stronger than any technology and he could and has been protecting our Imam(a.f.a.s) for more than a thousand years and none of his enemies have discovered him. This is a miracle in itself. Now what I am discussing is the fact that some EXTEND that concept and say that not only is our Imama(a.f.a.s) hidden by the divine protection of Allah(s.w.a), but an entire community or civilization is also hidden, on a green island or somewhere else. If the Imam(a.f.a.s) has been marrying and having children for more than 1000 years and some good mumin who are being trained by the Imam are joining, this would be a community of several thousand people at least. The size of a small city and not a village This is the point of the discussion. Is it possible for Allah(s.w.a) to do this, of course it is. No question. The question is about the reality of this, not the possibility.

The reality is that there is very little evidence for this (the hiding of a civilization). You say that you have had conversations with marajaa and that they told you this and that. Excuse me for being blunt but I have been a mod on Shiachat for a while now and I have heard this many tens of times (about things the ulema said in private conversations). If they were said to you in confidence, then you shouldn't be repeating them here. If they weren't said in confidence, then they should be published somewhere. Most marjaa' and mujtahideen have written many books and you should have some references of this in their books. I have already posted the link to Sayyid Hakeem(r.a) that states that he cannot verify this idea of a green island. If you have some references please post them, otherwise I think this discussion has reached it's natural conclusion.

Also about the training, you don't need to go to a green island to be trained to prepare for the Zahoor.
All you need is in the Resalat of your Marjaa'. If you follow that, you will be highly prepared for it.

Edited by Abu Hadi, 10 August 2011 - 08:22 AM.

[Kazim Malik]

Respected Abu Hadi

I have nothing to differ from you. But Please think on these points too.

*  Enemies of IMAM sua are in billions. They are increasing day by day. They are developing newer and newer technology in weapons and fighting techniques. How will IMAM sua overpower all his enemies after HIS (ajtfs) reappearance.?

*  When Maula sua will announce the end of occultation at the roof of Kaba; ( may it happen just now) his nasireen will gather arround him in Kaba. A constant war will start with enemies. Khurooj e Sufyani, Khurooj e Khurasani, Khurooj e Yamani all three are essential signs and confirm there will be a tough war. My question is that the enemy forces are well organized and trained... How will it look like that an untrained army of free lance Nasireen should fight with the most organised and powerful forces of Sufyani and beat them?

*  We belive in Barzakh. We belive in the Heven and Hell of Barzakh ... We belive that it is all inside the grave, under the land.  We know that Maula Ameer e Kainat sua had some battles with Jinnat under the land. (See tafseer of Maula Imam Al-Askari sua and many other source books of history) Is it not possible that IMAM e ZAMAAN ajtfs also has some under ground or under the water places where Maula ajtfs has organized his forces to fight and win against all the tyrant forces of the earth.. ??

*  I do not have the global figures, but I know about Pakistan. Its population is about 170M. It has police, army and paramilitary forces strength of about 2M. But thes 2 million are unable to bring peace for 170M.
We all know that MAULA ajtfs will have 313 ashab, 10000 Ansaar and 70000 Aawaan. So a total man power of 80313 human beings will be with him. How comes this be possible that these scattered, untrained 80313 persons overpower all the tyrant forces and introduce a global peace, justice and harmony?

[A true Sunni]

first thing you need is faith . this self defeatist talk is what is wrong with the ummah. I to was like you untill the 2006 war between hezbullah and Israel

[Ya Baqiyatullah (aj)]

As someone pointed out earlier, this discussion is of no use, if Imam resides there, you aren't doing him a favour by revealing it and if he doesn't or if you are misinformed, then you are lying upon it.

The reason for Imam's ghaybah will become apparent after his reappearance, Allah swt has willed to keep it that way and Allah is all Knowing.

[A true Sunni]

what I find so amazing about this story is that a man writes a story he says it is fiction !!. None of the Marge have endorsed or agree with the content of his book. In fact many have said they have doubts etc.

Despite this people still prefer to listen to ignorant Zakirs who are just there to entertain the audience. I would ask how far have the Shia-e Ali fallen that they no longer look to the 'gate' for knowledge but prefer to sift through the refuse that is thrown out of the 'City'

[mahdi usman]

brother u say that ,maula imam e zaman is living safe from tyrants in an island ,but i have heard in a video of president ahmadinajad that imam mahdi manages the affairs of the world ,does this two things  not contradicts,also i have heard that every day of occultation of imam mahdi is like a prison,than how can be a  person  in prison can be imam e zaman.

[Kazim Malik]

A true Sunni, on 10 August 2011 - 06:45 PM, said:

what I find so amazing about this story is that a man writes a story he says it is fiction !!. None of the Marge have endorsed or agree with the content of his book. In fact many have said they have doubts etc.

Despite this people still prefer to listen to ignorant Zakirs who are just there to entertain the audience. I would ask how far have the Shia-e Ali fallen that they no longer look to the 'gate' for knowledge but prefer to sift through the refuse that is thrown out of the 'City'

Once again you are trying to blame others and now has come the turn of Zakirs. Every one talks to the level of his wisdom. Zakirs have done a great job in converting millions of non shias to azadars and matamis. this is the main pain non shias have. If people were to listen to only greatest of Ulema, it is only Imam sua.

you have made a self made blame that the incidence of Jazair e Khazra has been labelled as a fiction. It is written in Al-Abkari ul Hasaan, Bihar ul Anwar, Jazaair e Khazra and many other books. But none of them has written that it is a fiction.
This is your self made claim to befool Shias... you cant .. lol

[Kazim Malik]

mahdi usman, on 11 August 2011 - 12:45 AM, said:

brother u say that ,maula imam e zaman is living safe from tyrants in an island ,but i have heard in a video of president ahmadinajad that imam mahdi manages the affairs of the world ,does this two things  not contradicts,also i have heard that every day of occultation of imam mahdi is like a prison,than how can be a  person  in prison can be imam e zaman.

IMAM sua like all devine leaders; including all Holy Prophets sua aj; has two roles to play.
1.  As a human being he has to act like them in every corner of HIS sua Holy Life.. This is jama e bashari
2.  As a Misl of Allah and as Hujjat Ullah, HE sua has to control all the Universes and the systems. This is jumba e Noorani.

Now it is the role no 1 for which Agha Waheed Khurasani quotes Maula Imam e Zamaan saying that this occultation is like a prison. logically acceptable as IMAM sua has been living away from his Umma. In a prison you have to live away from your beloved ones physically. Even an ordinary human being can not be separated mentally or spiritually from his beloved ones while imprisoned. What to talk about MAULA sua. We all true shias have a permanent spiritual and mental contact with our IMAM sua. It is the physical separation that is painful for us. We want a TOTAL attachment.

And it is Role No 2  for which Ahmedi Najjad has said that IMAM sua is ruling the world. He has made a cautious statement keeping in view the mental status of the audiences. Infact IMAM sua rules the Universes.

Here you will object that then why is he living in Occultation? If so powerful then why he is not exercising his powers?
It is the divine planning so that human beings can develop their minds and discover their huge capabilities Allah jj has built in their structures. Just immagine the difference between the human beings if 260 hijra and the humanbeing of 1432 hijra. From camels to space shuttles. From Jarrahi to microscopic surgery. from swords and arrows to nuclear missiles.. from 11 uloom to 1200 uloom.
this all human development has been made possible by the Holy IMAM staying away from the tyrants who wanted to kill him while he was below 5 years in age.

This is a difficult chapter for a mind like you but i have written these lines for our other respectable forum members.
I am sure these are not digestable for you.

Edited by Kazim Malik, 11 August 2011 - 05:47 AM.

[A true Sunni]

Kazim Malik, on 11 August 2011 - 05:41 AM, said:

IMAM sua like all devine leaders; including all Holy Prophets sua aj; has two roles to play.
1.  As a human being he has to act like them in every corner of HIS sua Holy Life.. This is jama e bashari
2.  As a Misl of Allah and as Hujjat Ullah, HE sua has to control all the Universes and the systems. This is jumba e Noorani.

Now it is the role no 1 for which Agha Waheed Khurasani quotes Maula Imam e Zamaan saying that this occultation is like a prison. logically acceptable as IMAM sua has been living away from his Umma. In a prison you have to live away from your beloved ones physically. Even an ordinary human being can not be separated mentally or spiritually from his beloved ones while imprisoned. What to talk about MAULA sua. We all true shias have a permanent spiritual and mental contact with our IMAM sua. It is the physical separation that is painful for us. We want a TOTAL attachment.

And it is Role No 2  for which Ahmedi Najjad has said that IMAM sua is ruling the world. He has made a cautious statement keeping in view the mental status of the audiences. Infact IMAM sua rules the Universes.

Here you will object that then why is he living in Occultation? If so powerful then why he is not exercising his powers?
It is the divine planning so that human beings can develop their minds and discover their huge capabilities Allah jj has built in their structures. Just immagine the difference between the human beings if 260 hijra and the humanbeing of 1432 hijra. From camels to space shuttles. From Jarrahi to microscopic surgery. from swords and arrows to nuclear missiles.. from 11 uloom to 1200 uloom.
this all human development has been made possible by the Holy IMAM staying away from the tyrants who wanted to kill him while he was below 5 years in age.

This is a difficult chapter for a mind like you but i have written these lines for our other respectable forum members.
I am sure these are not digestable for you.

I was talking about the whole story not just individual terms

people have mentioned jazira khizra
people have talked about ship wrecked sailors
people have talked about bermuda triangle
people have talked about Imam Mahdi.

The nonsense is stringing all these together into one story. That story was written by an individual and he said it was from a dream he had !!!
So by continuing to quote this story you are continuing to expound this story as 'truth'.
As to Zakirs of old do not compare them to modern zakirs.

Even the simplest search on the internet will demonstrate that Bermuda triangle is flown over sailed in /through hundreds if not thousands of times a year.

Furthermore scientific studies have indicated that the vast majority of stories of missing boats and planes are made up with one notable exception. In addition the there are no anomalous readings on compasses etc. all false

[Kazim Malik]

A true Sunni, on 11 August 2011 - 07:10 AM, said:

I was talking about the whole story not just individual terms

people have mentioned jazira khizra
people have talked about ship wrecked sailors
people have talked about bermuda triangle
people have talked about Imam Mahdi.

The nonsense is stringing all these together into one story. That story was written by an individual and he said it was from a dream he had !!!
So by continuing to quote this story you are continuing to expound this story as 'truth'.
As to Zakirs of old do not compare them to modern zakirs.

Even the simplest search on the internet will demonstrate that Bermuda triangle is flown over sailed in /through hundreds if not thousands of times a year.

Furthermore scientific studies have indicated that the vast majority of stories of missing boats and planes are made up with one notable exception. In addition the there are no anomalous readings on compasses etc. all false

A true Sunni, on 11 August 2011 - 07:10 AM, said:

I was talking about the whole story not just individual terms

people have mentioned jazira khizra
people have talked about ship wrecked sailors
people have talked about bermuda triangle
people have talked about Imam Mahdi.

The nonsense is stringing all these together into one story. That story was written by an individual and he said it was from a dream he had !!!
So by continuing to quote this story you are continuing to expound this story as 'truth'.
As to Zakirs of old do not compare them to modern zakirs.

Even the simplest search on the internet will demonstrate that Bermuda triangle is flown over sailed in /through hundreds if not thousands of times a year.

Furthermore scientific studies have indicated that the vast majority of stories of missing boats and planes are made up with one notable exception. In addition the there are no anomalous readings on compasses etc. all false

Once again you are insisting on a base less claim. I have quoted you the source books where the physical visit has been reported and not the dream. What forces you to call that a dream?
Looks some salafis have tried to befool their followers by tilting the realty to a dream.
A famous saying proves true here ... You tell one lie and then you are forced to tell another 100 lies more more to defend that first one. Syed ul Anbia sAaww said that there will be 12 wasis after him.  sAaww also told their Holy Names. The Umayaids factory cooked over half a million false ahadith and of them was a story of 12 self made names of Ausia of sAaww. Among those names Muaviya is at No 5 and Yazid is at No 6. Who is at No 12 ??? Their Lie had been rooted out by Almighty as the 12 is IMAM MEHDI sua. One of the prime qualities of IMAM MEHDI sua is that Jesus will desend from 4th sky and follow IMAM sua in prayers.
Salfis have made dozens of false Mehdis but can not bring Jesus a.s down from the sky.
Wait my dear... Wait
The Holy Son of SAAWW is coming very soon. Insha Allah.
If you are so sure that the bermuda triangle is not the same mysterious point.. Go your self and try your luck to make a movy of the inner circles. Beleive me you will become a billioner by selling that movy. Do Go... and Do return.. Your Salafi leaders spend billions of dollars every year to prove Shias wrong. Ask them to sponsor your trip.
Go and prove the facts about bermuda triangle wrong.

[A true Sunni]

Kazim Malik, on 12 August 2011 - 03:16 AM, said:

Once again you are insisting on a base less claim. I have quoted you the source books where the physical visit has been reported and not the dream. What forces you to call that a dream?
Looks some salafis have tried to befool their followers by tilting the realty to a dream.
A famous saying proves true here ... You tell one lie and then you are forced to tell another 100 lies more more to defend that first one. Syed ul Anbia sAaww said that there will be 12 wasis after him.  sAaww also told their Holy Names. The Umayaids factory cooked over half a million false ahadith and of them was a story of 12 self made names of Ausia of sAaww. Among those names Muaviya is at No 5 and Yazid is at No 6. Who is at No 12 ??? Their Lie had been rooted out by Almighty as the 12 is IMAM MEHDI sua. One of the prime qualities of IMAM MEHDI sua is that Jesus will desend from 4th sky and follow IMAM sua in prayers.
Salfis have made dozens of false Mehdis but can not bring Jesus a.s down from the sky.
Wait my dear... Wait
The Holy Son of SAAWW is coming very soon. Insha Allah.
If you are so sure that the bermuda triangle is not the same mysterious point.. Go your self and try your luck to make a movy of the inner circles. Beleive me you will become a billioner by selling that movy. Do Go... and Do return.. Your Salafi leaders spend billions of dollars every year to prove Shias wrong. Ask them to sponsor your trip.
Go and prove the facts about bermuda triangle wrong.

Have you read the reference yourself or are you just quoting someone else quoting. We have already seen so many misquotes on this site

[A true Sunni]

I forgot to also say why is the garbage only spouted or accepted in the Indian Sub-continent . No non -Indo Pak Shias subscribe to this garbage. Maybe the Indian Sub continent is specially blessed and had extra 'wahi nasl'.

[Abu Hadi]

Kazim Malik, on 12 August 2011 - 03:16 AM, said:

If you are so sure that the bermuda triangle is not the same mysterious point.. Go your self and try your luck to make a movy of the inner circles. Beleive me you will become a billioner by selling that movy. Do Go... and Do return.. Your Salafi leaders spend billions of dollars every year to prove Shias wrong. Ask them to sponsor your trip.
Go and prove the facts about bermuda triangle wrong.

The reality, say many, is far more prosaic. They argue that a sometimes treacherous Mother Nature, human error, shoddy craftsmanship or design, and just plain bad luck can explain the many disappearances.

"The region is highly traveled and has been a busy crossroads since the early days of European exploration," said John Reilly, a historian with the U.S. Naval Historical Foundation. "To say quite a few ships and airplanes have gone down there is like saying there are an awful lot of car accidents on the New Jersey Turnpike—surprise, surprise."

Lieutenant A. L. Russell, in the U.S. Coast Guard's official response to Bermuda Triangle inquiries, writes: "It has been our experience that the combined forces of nature and the unpredictability of mankind outdo science-fiction stories many times each year."

http://news.national...datriangle.html

I am not quite sure what you mean by your quote. Many hundreds of ships and thousands of people pass thru this area every year.
In the middle of the Bermuda Triangle is the Island of Bermuda which is home to thousands of people. So please explain your quote above.

[Kazim Malik]

Abu Hadi, on 12 August 2011 - 08:14 AM, said:

In the middle of the Bermuda Triangle is the Island of Bermuda which is home to thousands of people. So please explain your quote above.

I am afraid Br. You have no idea about the geographical location of Bermuda Triangle.
In one of my early posts I have attached a map from google earth showing Bermuda at one corner, out side the triangle.
Just draw a hypothetical triangle in the Atlantic ocean. At the top corner is Bermuda island. On the base line at one corner is Miami and on the other corner is San Juan Puerto rico.

A true Sunni, on 12 August 2011 - 07:42 AM, said:

I forgot to also say why is the garbage only spouted or accepted in the Indian Sub-continent . No non -Indo Pak Shias subscribe to this garbage. Maybe the Indian Sub continent is specially blessed and had extra 'wahi nasl'.

Both the original books are with me and I have read that myself more than once.
One of these books is also available on net. Bihar ul Anwar.

Your second part about Indo-Pak Shias. The old HIND area.
I am very pleased to be from the area which was certified by Maula Kareem e Karbala as an area of HIS sua friends. Look at the message Maula sua gave to HUR a.s when he stopped Maula from moving to Kufa. Imam sua said, "Leave me . I shall go to HIND where I have friends"
In 62 Hijra, when plaque attacked Madina, many members of the Holy Family Left Madina. A bigger group went to Damascus and a smaller group including a holy Daughter and a holy Son of Maula Ameer ul Momineen sua came to HIND.

[A true Sunni]

Kazim Malik, on 12 August 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

I am afraid Br. You have no idea about the geographical location of Bermuda Triangle.
In one of my early posts I have attached a map from google earth showing Bermuda at one corner, out side the triangle.
Just draw a hypothetical triangle in the Atlantic ocean. At the top corner is Bermuda island. On the base line at one corner is Miami and on the other corner is San Juan Puerto rico.



Both the original books are with me and I have read that myself more than once.
One of these books is also available on net. Bihar ul Anwar.

Your second part about Indo-Pak Shias. The old HIND area.
I am very pleased to be from the area which was certified by Maula Kareem e Karbala as an area of HIS sua friends. Look at the message Maula sua gave to HUR a.s when he stopped Maula from moving to Kufa. Imam sua said, "Leave me . I shall go to HIND where I have friends"
In 62 Hijra, when plaque attacked Madina, many members of the Holy Family Left Madina. A bigger group went to Damascus and a smaller group including a holy Daughter and a holy Son of Maula Ameer ul Momineen sua came to HIND.

I would suggest you go reread your books. I would also suggest you go read up on Bermuda Triangle. Imam Hussains request to go to Hind was probably because he knew the garbage that would flow out of there . He probably wanted to nip it in the bud. You forget if you are on the right path  you do not a 'messenger' it is only when you go astray that you need the 'messenger'. That is why the Jews had so many prominent prophets they kept going astray. So dont boast to loudly that Imam Hussain wanted to come to us. Hind was a Hindu idol worshipping area it was not friends with mono-theists. Further there is a hint that idol worshipping was further reinforced in Hind by Arab contact. Look at the OHM symbol. It is Semitic. Hindus say this OHM symbol is the original symbol of their religion and surprise surprise its a semitic symbol

[Kazim Malik]

A true Sunni, on 12 August 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

I would suggest you go reread your books. I would also suggest you go read up on Bermuda Triangle. Imam Hussains request to go to Hind was probably because he knew the garbage that would flow out of there . He probably wanted to nip it in the bud. You forget if you are on the right path  you do not a 'messenger' it is only when you go astray that you need the 'messenger'. That is why the Jews had so many prominent prophets they kept going astray. So dont boast to loudly that Imam Hussain wanted to come to us. Hind was a Hindu idol worshipping area it was not friends with mono-theists. Further there is a hint that idol worshipping was further reinforced in Hind by Arab contact. Look at the OHM symbol. It is Semitic. Hindus say this OHM symbol is the original symbol of their religion and surprise surprise its a semitic symbol

Very sorry to find a very childish approach. If people of Hind were that bad that there was an utmost need of a divine Hadi there. And Maula Kareem e Karbala sua wanted to come to hind to correct them... Then why none of his successor Aaimma sua aj did not come to Hind ? You do not know the rules of IMAMAT at all and are just trying to impose sunni ideology on Shias.
Islam was promoted in Hind by SADAAT who migrated from Arab. People of Hind were so sincere to AAL e RASOOL sua aj, that they got slaughtered by the tyrant forces of Hajjaj bin Yusuf but never let them touch SADAAT.

[A true Sunni]

LOL you really should understand the concept of an analogy it might help you.

[Kazim Malik]

A true Sunni, on 15 August 2011 - 06:47 PM, said:

LOL you really should understand the concept of an analogy it might help you.

Just admitt that you have been clean bowled and now you have nothing to say.
The thread was on Bermuda triangle and you in your posts have made it a " Salafi Octangle "
Learn the manners of writing under a topic.

Edited by Kazim Malik, 15 August 2011 - 11:52 PM.

[A true Sunni]

LOL admit myself wrong to a Nussairi who isnt even competent enough to check the references he posted LOL. Your logic is as faulty as your references.

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Al-Muntadhar, on 05 August 2011 - 10:05 AM, said:

From what I think; it could be the residence of Yajuj and Majuj.

Mehh

Residence of Gog and Magog is Turkestan and Mongolia.