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[mahdi usman]

Enlightened_x, on 22 January 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

you are claiming that are prophets (not imams, just prophets) are infallible. Therefore, you must believe that we have 124 000 prophets in Islam..
Didn't you ask yourself why all the 124 000 names aren't mentioned in the Quran ?

The same reason applies to Imam Mahdi.

Allah reveals the prophets who came before and their stories for a purpose, to know what happened before ..he wouldn't reveal future names.. Allah has made this world a test, a test should be difficult

yes all prophets were infallible in delivering message of Allah to human . our definition of  infallible is different than that of shiites , shiites believe that  imams and prophets were infallible in all affairs like Allah.
secondly , names of all prophets are not mentioned in quran but first and last prophet is mentioned by name.

[Philip]

It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religions, although the mushrikoun hate it.

9:33

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Edited by Philip, 23 January 2012 - 06:36 AM.

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mahdi usman, on 23 January 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

yes all prophets were infallible in delivering message of Allah to human . our definition of  infallible is different than that of shiites , shiites believe that  imams and prophets were infallible in all affairs like Allah.
secondly , names of all prophets are not mentioned in quran but first and last prophet is mentioned by name.

no bro .. the prophet is infallible . How can Allah reveal something to a human that has mistakes ? he simply can't , therefore the prophet mohamed is infallible, he's a great role model.
Imam Ali is born inside the kaaba, a sinful human can not do that

and where does it say that we believe that they are infallible just like Allah ?
astaghfirullah bro , you can't compare Allah to human

And the names of prohet Moses, Abraham , Noah , Joseph (yousef) , Zakarya, David (dawud), Jacob (yaqoob) , Jesus (issa) are all mentioned in the Quran.

from my perspective , you haven't read the quran .

[mahdi usman]

Enlightened_x, on 23 January 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

no bro .. the prophet is infallible . How can Allah reveal something to a human that has mistakes ? he simply can't , therefore the prophet mohamed is infallible, he's a great role model.

only Allah s.w.t is infallible in all affairs.and for infalliblity of prophets they make mistakes but their mistakes are corrected by Allah s.w.t through wahy .

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Imam Ali is born inside the kaaba, a sinful human can not do that

no i m not saying he was a sinful human ,he was pious.

[mahdi usman]

Enlightened_x, on 23 January 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

And the names of prohet Moses, Abraham , Noah , Joseph (yousef) , Zakarya, David (dawud), Jacob (yaqoob) , Jesus (issa) are all mentioned in the Quran.

what i mean to say is first and last propht are mentioned by name and the rest who came in btw these two are some mentioned by name and some are not by name  in the quran.my point was ur 1st imam and last imam should have been mentioned by name if they were appointed by Allah s.w.t.

[-Enlightened]

mahdi usman, on 24 January 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

what i mean to say is first and last propht are mentioned by name and the rest who came in btw these two are some mentioned by name and some are not by name  in the quran.my point was ur 1st imam and last imam should have been mentioned by name if they were appointed by Allah s.w.t.

The imam's are appointed by the prophet .

and you have no rights to disobey the prophet .

[Haydar Husayn]

mahdi usman, on 24 January 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

what i mean to say is first and last propht are mentioned by name and the rest who came in btw these two are some mentioned by name and some are not by name  in the quran.my point was ur 1st imam and last imam should have been mentioned by name if they were appointed by Allah s.w.t.

Why? They were mentioned by name by the Prophet in mutawatir ahadith. Imam Ali was appointed at Ghadir, and the Prophet said that the final Imam, the Mahdi, would be called Muhammad.

[Al-Mufeed]

http://www.scribd.co...em-in-the-Quran

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Al-Mufeed, on 28 January 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

http://www.scribd.co...em-in-the-Quran

jazakAllah Khair bro for the link.

Brother , if you go back to the first post ,you'll see that the font is really small for some reasons..can you arrange it back for a font size of 14 ?

[baradar_jackson]

Enlightened_x, on 23 January 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

no bro .. the prophet is infallible . How can Allah reveal something to a human that has mistakes ? he simply can't , therefore the prophet mohamed is infallible, he's a great role model.

This ^ is what reason dictates!

How could a divine message be revealed to a flawed human being, who may change the message according to his own desires???

[-Enlightened]

baradar_jackson, on 29 January 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

This ^ is what reason dictates!

How could a divine message be revealed to a flawed human being, who may change the message according to his own desires???

that's a nice thinking mashaAllah

[Al-Mufeed]

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Brother , if you go back to the first post ,you'll see that the font is really small for some reasons..can you arrange it back for a font size of 14 ?

You are unable to edit your own posts?

[-Enlightened]

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Al-Mufeed, on 29 January 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

You are unable to edit your own posts?

Lol , simple members have the option of editing their posts for a duration of 2 minutes after posting..then, the "edit" button gets removed..So  I am unable to edit it

[Al-Mufeed]

^clearly i am out of touch with the peasant class

[AlAbd AlThaleel]

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Edited by AlAbd AlThaleel, 31 January 2012 - 12:56 PM.

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Al-Mufeed, on 29 January 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

You are unable to edit your own posts?

thanks for editing

can you also edit post # 5,9,10,13  . same reasons (font has transformed into a small one )

[MansoorAli]

There is a big misconception that Imam Mahdi is in occlusion. This is wrong. In fact Imam Mahdi, did reappear from magrib and his lineage continued until 21st Imam, Imam Tayeb. Imam Mahdi's kabar mubarak is inside the Haram Sharif of Rasul Hussain in Cairo. Along with Rasul Hussain, there are 13 Imams in the lineage of Imam Hussain includinh Imam Mahdi whose Kabar Mubarak is in there.

People who don't beleive me, please go to Rasul Hussain and find the truth

[Labbayk]

^^



I responded this claim on another thread.

[ateef]

I do Not know how the Ones who have the Name Enlightened...Post Such False Topics..Imam Is Not a Prophet/ Messenger.He is a Caliphate.

[ateef]

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For mere amount of 15 $ these people distort the meanings of Quran . So sad  and shameful.

This is why the Shias have been misled and love for their IMAM mis-used.

How could he reach to the extent of Involving the Quran with repsect to The Qaim.

Little is what these people gain.Very much is what they lose of the HereAfter.

Edited by ateef, 22 March 2012 - 03:29 AM.

[Philip]

^^^ that's you opinion .. do you have any evidence ??

what does being a messenger or not have to do with it? the quran talks about non-messengers as well.

and why is it so unrealistic for you that Allah talks about a time and person who will lead humanity into total victory for Islam and Allah ??

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How could he reach to the extent of Involving the Quran with repsect to The Qaim.

.. Allah talks about much more minor issues as well in the quran .. i think having the whole world a true Islamic Ummah under prophetic lineage leadership is not a small thing .. it's the reaping of what all the prophets have sown ..

it is obvious that many ayat in the quran haven't happened yet .. and that they refer to this time of our qaym. Also, don't fall into trap of thinking that prophets are unconditionally the best and know the most .. that's what sayidna Mussa (as)thought as well .. he thought his status as "messenger" elevated him above other non-messengers .. then Allah sent him Sayidna Khidr ..

[ateef]

Philip, on 22 March 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

^^^ that's you opinion .. do you have any evidence ??

what does being a messenger or not have to do with it? the quran talks about non-messengers as well.

and why is it so unrealistic for you that Allah talks about a time and person who will lead humanity into total victory for Islam and Allah ??



.. Allah talks about much more minor issues as well in the quran .. i think having the whole world a true Islamic Ummah under prophetic lineage leadership is not a small thing .. it's the reaping of what all the prophets have sown ..

it is obvious that many ayat in the quran haven't happened yet .. and that they refer to this time of our qaym. Also, don't fall into trap of thinking that prophets are unconditionally the best and know the most .. that's what sayidna Mussa (as)thought as well .. he thought his status as "messenger" elevated him above other non-messengers .. then Allah sent him Sayidna Khidr ..

Listen Philip.

Non Messenger's  Like _________,____________,_____________,_________.

fill in the blanks with the names and then shall i proceed

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Also, don't fall into trap of thinking that prophets are unconditionally the best and know the most

I would Apreciate if you can tell me if the Story of Mussa and Sayidina Khidr is mentioned in the Holy Quran  ???

Edited by ateef, 22 March 2012 - 05:05 AM.

[Philip]

what are you talking about ?? what's your point ??

And We have certainly diversified in this Qur'an for the people from every example; but man has ever been, most of anything, prone to dispute. 18:54

[ateef]

I mean you said in your post the Holy Quran mention of some Non Messenger's too.

I just wanted their names.

I mean you mentioned about the story of Prophet Musa (peace Be Upon Him) and sayidinna khidr.Was just curious to know if this story is mentioned in Quran.

Peace.

It would be better if they would preach.

Imam Mahdi will follow whats written in Qura'n

Rather than Saying

Imam Mahdi Is mentioned in Qura'n

Peace.Thats What My point Is.

Hope You Understand.

[Philip]

Peace

yes the story of sayidna Khidr and sayidna Musa is in the quran ( i took for granted you knew that ) .. in surat kahf #18 .. such as ..

And they found a servant from among Our servants to whom we had given mercy from us and had taught him from Us a [certain] knowledge. 18:65

Moses said to him, "May I follow you on [the condition] that you teach me from what you have been taught of sound judgement?" 18:66


then there are also non-messenger guys of the cave and their dog as well mentioned in the quran ..

Or have you thought that the companions of the cave and the inscription were, among Our signs, a wonder? 18:9

.. there is even a dog mentioned among those 2 companions of the cave ..

And you would think them awake, while they were asleep. And We turned them to the right and to the left, while their dog stretched his forelegs at the entrance. If you had looked at them, you would have turned from them in flight and been filled by them with terror. 18:18

the companions of the cave and sayidna khidr , have a very strong relation to the end-times of our qaym. i think even 'sunis' hold a strong significance to the entire surah of the cave in regards to the "nasr Allah" .. or "victory of Allah", which is still to happen inshaAllah ..

anyway, everybody sees the quran in their own way .. you're free to interpret it in your way, and soon we will all know who is more right ..