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[baradar_jackson]

Here is the disgraceful story.

I don't know if you all remember, but a while ago there was pressure on the IRI National Women's soccer team to change their uniforms. See what #27 is wearing? That was the old uniform. Because of FIFA pressure they had to change to the weird hat thing that the other players are wearing:



But still, before this match with Jordan they (FIFA) suddenly decided to ban Iran from competition.

They don't want to see hijab being propagated like this on an international venue. This is their religious freedom.

Ya Ali

[Irishman]

baradar_jackson, on 05 June 2011 - 05:56 AM, said:

Here is the disgraceful story.

I don't know if you all remember, but a while ago there was pressure on the IRI National Women's soccer team to change their uniforms. See what #27 is wearing? That was the old uniform. Because of FIFA pressure they had to change to the weird hat thing that the other players are wearing:



But still, before this match with Jordan they (FIFA) suddenly decided to ban Iran from competition.

They don't want to see hijab being propagated like this on an international venue. This is their religious freedom.

Ya Ali

Have many other female teams recently been allowed to play Iranian Womens team in Iran, and the other team not wear hijab and wear their shorts, and its teams supporters ( both male and female ) allowed into the stadium to watch the game?.

Quite a few mens football teams from other countries have played the Iranian mens team in various Cup Qualifiers in Tehran, as part of the usual home and away legs that teams usually play in qualifiers.

Edited by Irishman, 05 June 2011 - 07:08 AM.

[Pascal]

In the FIFA Code it says you're not allowed to wear any religious, political, ect clothing. Good idea in theory, sport is meant to promote good will among all nations and not be political, religious or anything.

This is an unfortunate problem though, i don't see FIFA changing their rules anytime soon but they might be able to offer some kind of exemption. Iran knew the rules before they entered the competition anyway, why did they bother showing up if they knew what would happen?

Hopefully, FIFA can issue them some kind of exemption, it really is a shame.

I'm also interested in the answer to the question IrishMan asked.

[Stefan]

kingpomba, on 05 June 2011 - 06:53 AM, said:

I'm also interested in the answer to the question IrishMan asked.

It will be the usual "but we don't pretend to respect religious freedom ; ony the West pretends to respect it".

[Irishman]

Stefan, on 05 June 2011 - 07:35 AM, said:

It will be the usual "but we don't pretend to respect religious freedom ; ony the West pretends to respect it".

Jordan and Bahraini official are not the West though. FIFA has representatives from all over the World.

If Iran wants its womens team to be allowed to play in other countries wearing hijab and countries to resect the rights of Iranian women, then it will have to respect the rights of the womens team from other countries to play an away leg in Tehran, with the women not wearing hijab if they wish, and wearing shorts if they wish, and the teams supporters ( both male and female ) allowed to travel to the game to cheer on their team. Respect is a two way street.

[baradar_jackson]

kingpomba, on 05 June 2011 - 06:53 AM, said:

In the FIFA Code it says you're not allowed to wear any religious, political, ect clothing. Good idea in theory, sport is meant to promote good will among all nations and not be political, religious or anything.

This is an unfortunate problem though, i don't see FIFA changing their rules anytime soon but they might be able to offer some kind of exemption. Iran knew the rules before they entered the competition anyway, why did they bother showing up if they knew what would happen?

Hopefully, FIFA can issue them some kind of exemption, it really is a shame.

I'm also interested in the answer to the question IrishMan asked.

In name, it has nothing to do with hijab being religious. It is only because the players' neck and ears must be seen (brilliant rule!), which is why the uniform was compromised and changed.

[Pascal]

Are  you sure baradar? I tried to find alternate news stories from other sources other than press tv (never good to get all your information from one source!) and they mentioned that this is part of the fifa rules. I guess they were mistaken.

Maybe it is technical to tell whether it was a header or not... but that doesnt make a lot of sense haha

These are silly silly people

[Nokare-Zahra]

This was all politics.
Iran's team clothing (as wrong and uncomfortable as it is) had been approved by FIFA and AFC.
This Bahraini ref did this on behalf of some fat sheikh.

Eltemase Doa.

[Irishman]

Nokare-Zahra, on 05 June 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

This was all politics.
Iran's team clothing (as wrong and uncomfortable as it is) had been approved by FIFA and AFC.
This Bahraini ref did this on behalf of some fat sheikh.

Eltemase Doa.

http://www.independe...an-2293724.html

Fifa reject Iran complaint over Islamic scarf ban

Reuters
Monday, 6 June 2011

Iran were warned about dress code rules which led to their women's team being banned from an Olympic qualifying match last week, soccer's world governing body Fifa said today.

Iran had said it would complain to Fifa after the women's team were stopped from playing a second-round qualifier for next year's London Olympics because of their full-body strip, which includes a head scarf and conforms to the Islamic dress code.

Opponents Jordan were awarded a 3-0 win and Iranian officials said the decision could cost them a place in the 2012 Games.

Fifa said both teams had been reminded before Friday's match about its rules and that, as a result, Jordan had decided not to select several players.

"Fifa's decision in March 2010 which permitted that players be allowed to wear a cap that covers their head to the hairline, but does not extend below the ears to cover the neck, was still applicable," Fifa said in an e-mail to Reuters.

"Despite initial assurances that the Iranian delegation understood this, the players came out wearing the hijab, and the head and neck totally covered, which was an infringement of the Laws of the Game.

"The match commissioner and match referee therefore decided to apply correctly the Laws of the Game, which ended in the match being abandoned."

In Tehran, the head of women's affairs at Iran's football federation said Iran had made changes to its women's kit after a previous Fifa ban last year and believed it had been given the approval of the world federation and its president, Sepp Blatter.

"We made the required corrections and played a match afterwards," Farideh Shojaei told Reuters TV in an interview.

"We played the next round and were not prevented from doing so, and they didn't find anything wrong. That meant that there are no obstacles in our path, and that we could participate in the Olympics."

Fifa's rules for the 2012 Olympics state: "Players and officials shall not display political, religious, commercial or personal messages or slogans in any language or form on their playing or team kits."

Shojaei added: "In reality, this kit is neither religious, nor political, nor will it lead to harm to a player. "

She said the ruling meant the team were now unlikely to qualify for the Olympics.

"The countries that invested, and spent money and time and took part in the second round will clearly not be willing to repeat these games, especially if this week it becomes clear which team will enter the final round. So it is extremely unlikely."

Edited by Irishman, 06 June 2011 - 12:32 PM.

[Lion of the Wasteland]

Irishman, on 06 June 2011 - 12:30 PM, said:

http://www.independe...an-2293724.html

Fifa reject Iran complaint over Islamic scarf ban

Reuters
Monday, 6 June 2011

Iran were warned about dress code rules which led to their women's team being banned from an Olympic qualifying match last week, soccer's world governing body Fifa said today.

Iran had said it would complain to Fifa after the women's team were stopped from playing a second-round qualifier for next year's London Olympics because of their full-body strip, which includes a head scarf and conforms to the Islamic dress code.

Opponents Jordan were awarded a 3-0 win and Iranian officials said the decision could cost them a place in the 2012 Games.

Fifa said both teams had been reminded before Friday's match about its rules and that, as a result, Jordan had decided not to select several players.

"Fifa's decision in March 2010 which permitted that players be allowed to wear a cap that covers their head to the hairline, but does not extend below the ears to cover the neck, was still applicable," Fifa said in an e-mail to Reuters.

"Despite initial assurances that the Iranian delegation understood this, the players came out wearing the hijab, and the head and neck totally covered, which was an infringement of the Laws of the Game.

"The match commissioner and match referee therefore decided to apply correctly the Laws of the Game, which ended in the match being abandoned."

In Tehran, the head of women's affairs at Iran's football federation said Iran had made changes to its women's kit after a previous Fifa ban last year and believed it had been given the approval of the world federation and its president, Sepp Blatter.

"We made the required corrections and played a match afterwards," Farideh Shojaei told Reuters TV in an interview.

"We played the next round and were not prevented from doing so, and they didn't find anything wrong. That meant that there are no obstacles in our path, and that we could participate in the Olympics."

Fifa's rules for the 2012 Olympics state: "Players and officials shall not display political, religious, commercial or personal messages or slogans in any language or form on their playing or team kits."

Shojaei added: "In reality, this kit is neither religious, nor political, nor will it lead to harm to a player. "

She said the ruling meant the team were now unlikely to qualify for the Olympics.

"The countries that invested, and spent money and time and took part in the second round will clearly not be willing to repeat these games, especially if this week it becomes clear which team will enter the final round. So it is extremely unlikely."

LOL what a disgrace, first this and then F1 in bahrain!1, where's freedom f religion, human rights, now look at THIS!! Make your hijab a half hijab and then we can accept you, give us the finger first, next theyll want the arm!

Edited by Lion of the Wasteland, 06 June 2011 - 08:02 PM.

[Saintly_Jinn23]

comrade khodadad, on 05 June 2011 - 02:37 PM, said:

I am probably going to regret this, but whatever....

Every country has its own minimum standards of dress.  Iran's minimum standard for women is higher than other countries.  When Iranian women wear hejab somewhere else, they are not disobeying the minimum standards of that country.  But if foreigners come to Tehran and don't, then they are not following Iran's minimum standards.  

Take it or leave it Mr. Decider.

I agree. Honestly, I'm one of those people who doesn't think it is a big deal if a women wears a hijab or not, but I'm not the one who makes the rules for FIFA or Iran.


However, why shouldn't Iranian female players be allowed to wear some sort of head covering if they want to? Probably an image thing...

[Irishman]

Lion of the Wasteland, on 06 June 2011 - 08:01 PM, said:

LOL what a disgrace, first this and then F1 in bahrain!1, where's freedom f religion, human rights, now look at THIS!! Make your hijab a half hijab and then we can accept you, give us the finger first, next theyll want the arm!

Errrr... No. FIFA has already tried to accommodate the hijab as much as it can within its rules when asked by Iran. FIFA makes its rules, which it has a right to do, and you abide by their rules or you get punished or not allowed to play. Just as someone in Iran is to abide by Iranian rules or faces punishment or being thrown of country. If Iran dont like it, dont play.

[Haji 2003]

Irishman, on 07 June 2011 - 04:04 AM, said:

Errrr... No. FIFA has already tried to accommodate the hijab as much as it can within its rules when asked by Iran. FIFA makes its rules, which it has a right to do, and you abide by their rules or you get punished or not allowed to play. Just as someone in Iran is to abide by Iranian rules or faces punishment or being thrown of country. If Iran dont like it, dont play.

Going by the following news, I think the Iranians are on a losing wicket, international women's sport is about flesh display and if a country goes against the norm it is only making more explicit women's exploitation by the others. Hence they won't allow it.

The Iranians should set up an international women's sports body (open to all) where the emphasis is sport and not flesh display.

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The Badminton World Federation has said it would go ahead with the regulation from June 1 despite one of Scotland's leading mixed doubles players telling Telegraph Sport the ruling was "sexist and dated".

The ruling will mean women playing in the sport's top tournaments, including the London 2012 Olympics, must wear skirts or dresses, even if they are over the top of shorts or trousers. Wearing shorts or trousers alone will be strictly forbidden.

http://www.telegraph...s-of-style.html

Now they can say the following till they are blue in the face:

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"It has never been the intention of the BWF to portray women as sexual objects, and nor is that what we are doing," he said.

But obviously and quite rightly no one will believe them.

[Irishman]

Haji 2003, on 07 June 2011 - 05:25 AM, said:

Going by the following news, I think the Iranians are on a losing wicket, international women's sport is about flesh display and if a country goes against the norm it is only making more explicit women's exploitation by the others. Hence they won't allow it.

FIFA has allowed them to wear more clothes. Football has been shorts and shirt wearing only for a long time, so they are moving in opposite direction.

Haji 2003, on 07 June 2011 - 05:25 AM, said:

The Iranians should set up an international women's sports body (open to all) where the emphasis is sport and not flesh display.

Like the male bodybuilding contest held in Tehran not long ago, and held yearly, where men were wearing skimpy shorts that left nothing to the imagination, and yet women were in the audience?

Haji 2003, on 07 June 2011 - 05:25 AM, said:

http://www.telegraph...s-of-style.html

Now they can say the following till they are blue in the face:

Well maybe they believe women should dress like women, by wearing a skirt or dress. Note it said, "must wear skirts or dresses, even if they are over the top of shorts or trousers. Wearing shorts or trousers alone will be strictly forbidden." Wearing a skirt or dresses over trousers is not going to make them any more revealing!!

Also note

http://www.telegraph...g-trousers.html

[Haji 2003]

Irishman, on 07 June 2011 - 05:48 AM, said:

Like the male bodybuilding contest held in Tehran not long ago, and held yearly, where men were wearing skimpy shorts that left nothing to the imagination, and yet women were in the audience?

Obviously they're not fundamentalist enough. Join the Global Jihad, Brother, write to AN and complain.

Irishman, on 07 June 2011 - 05:48 AM, said:

Well maybe they believe women should dress like women, by wearing a skirt or dress. Note it said, "must wear skirts or dresses, even if they are over the top of shorts or trousers. Wearing shorts or trousers alone will be strictly forbidden." Wearing a skirt or dresses over trousers is not going to make them any more revealing!!

Accepted.

[.InshAllah.]

Irishman, on 07 June 2011 - 05:48 AM, said:

Well maybe they believe women should dress like women, by wearing a skirt or dress. Note it said, "must wear skirts or dresses, even if they are over the top of shorts or trousers. Wearing shorts or trousers alone will be strictly forbidden." Wearing a skirt or dresses over trousers is not going to make them any more revealing!!

I doubt there are many women who would be prepared to wear both trousers and a skirt.  Its too much extra weight, and it would  make it harder for them to compete.  I think what is more likely is that many of those women who do prefer trousers will now just wear skirts, rather than adding another layer of clothing.  What this ruling does it make it harder for female athletes to be both modest and competitive.  You either show off your legs, or if you want to be modest and cover them, well then your forced to put on extra layers of clothing.

[Irishman]

.InshAllah., on 07 June 2011 - 06:48 AM, said:

I doubt there are many women who would be prepared to wear both trousers and a skirt.  Its too much extra weight, and it would  make it harder for them to compete.  I think what is more likely is that many of those women who do prefer trousers will now just wear skirts, rather than adding another layer of clothing.  What this ruling does it make it harder for female athletes to be both modest and competitive.  You either show off your legs, or if you want to be modest and cover them, well then your forced to put on extra layers of clothing.

Nonsense. A light cotton, or even nylon skirt over the trousers will be neglible in comparison to the womans bodyweight already and the clothes/trainers she is wearing. They are not being asked to carry a military bergen on their back..

Edited by Irishman, 07 June 2011 - 06:57 AM.

[112358]

http://www.guardian....football.gender

SB was just voted in to a 4th term as FIFA president.  Fair to assume he has a different agenda in terms of uniforms than he did in 2004?

[ShiaBen]

They are just finding more and more ways to get people to hate hijab. It's a smear campaign.

One result of these bans and expulsions is to provoke our women to hold deep hatred against the head scarf and blame it for all their problems.

I see where this is going and it's quite pathetic. This is a great example of ethnocentrism. You are imposing a Western value (none-hijab) onto a different culture.

And as for the away and home legs.

The solution is quite simple. To avoid both sides from imposing their values (e.g. hijab onto the none-hijabis or vice -versa),

the teams that have to play against Iran at Iran's home, can just play in some neutral territory like Turkey or some other place that is secular so that they don't have to wear hijab etc.

[forte]

baradar_jackson, on 05 June 2011 - 05:56 AM, said:

None of them are hijab.

[Blissful]

Naw
Let's go run around on a field infront of everyone in a long sleeve shirt and pants

[iSilurian]

baradar_jackson, on 05 June 2011 - 05:56 AM, said:

They don't want to see hijab being propagated like this on an international venue. This is their religious freedom.

Ya Ali

Yea, this subject goes a lot deeper than the simple concept of oppression of religious freedom.

Someone mentioned that respect is a two way street, and thats absolutely true.  These soccor players need to understand the rules and learn to respect those rules.  Likewise, Iran itself should respect FIFAs rules.  If Iran doesnt even allow games in its own country by foreign women teams that wear shorts, then there is no reason FIFA should bother wasting its time with fundamentalist, political and religious hypocrisy of Iran.

Interesting article though, thanks for that.

ShiaBen, on 09 June 2011 - 11:52 PM, said:

the teams that have to play against Iran at Iran's home, can just play in some neutral territory like Turkey or some other place that is secular so that they don't have to wear hijab etc.

If a country wants to participate in an organizations events.  They should abide by that organizations rules.

[keys2paradise]

Another interesting analysis can be found here

http://english.aljaz...2929334632.html

"Iranian women's soccer director Farideh Shojaei told Reuters TV in an interview, "We made the required corrections and played a match afterwards. We played the next round and were not prevented from doing so, and they didn't find anything wrong. That meant that there are no obstacles in our path, and that we could participate in the Olympics ... This [uniform] is neither religious, nor political, nor will it lead to harm a player ... and Mr Sepp Blatter accepted this."

[AliSaleh]

forte, on 10 June 2011 - 12:06 AM, said:

None of them are hijab.

wat do u mean its not? they r fuilly covered.  its hijab brother.

[RedWaterCup]

ShiaBen, on 09 June 2011 - 11:52 PM, said:

They are just finding more and more ways to get people to hate hijab. It's a smear campaign.

One result of these bans and expulsions is to provoke our women to hold deep hatred against the head scarf and blame it for all their problems.

I see where this is going and it's quite pathetic. This is a great example of ethnocentrism. You are imposing a Western value (none-hijab) onto a different culture.

And as for the away and home legs.

The solution is quite simple. To avoid both sides from imposing their values (e.g. hijab onto the none-hijabis or vice -versa),

the teams that have to play against Iran at Iran's home, can just play in some neutral territory like Turkey or some other place that is secular so that they don't have to wear hijab etc.

+100000000000000