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[Glow]

[EDITED]

Edited by Basim Ali, 18 May 2011 - 12:07 PM.
Member warned.

[Marbles]

^ Ignored.

[Basra]

forte, on 18 May 2011 - 12:43 AM, said:

His ideas are racist. Many many may agree with his ideas but that does not make him less racist.

Calling out white European "Christians" for their crimes and calling on them to pay all of humanity reparations is allegedly "racism" according to fools like you!  It is not "racism" it's calling for justice and it is grounded in reality and a thorough understanding of world history.  Even a good website run by a white European academic explains "treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity" http://racetraitor.org/.  So is this white European person living in "America" who agrees with me also "racist"?!  Or I assume you'll claim similar to what Zionist Khazar "Jews" say about another Jewish person who speaks against Zionist crimes, that these white Europeans are "self-hating whites" (compared to the "self-hating Jew" charge Zionists toss out against Jews with a conscience that oppose Zionist colonialism and evildoing).

Marbles, on 18 May 2011 - 12:36 AM, said:

You don't need any specific "sources" to be a racist. In fact you don't need anything to be a racist.

This man you are snuggling up to has clear racist views. Even a blind man can see that.

Being "racist" would mean I hate a particular group of people simply for who they are and even more importantly I would have to believe that this group (obviously in the case of my posts white Europeans, most of whom are "Christians") was allegedly inherently "inferior" or something.  News for you, I don't believe either of those two things!  I don't hate white Europeans as a whole and I especially don't hate them simply for being "white" in skin tone!  I hate white European criminals (note not all white Europeans), I hate those white European imperialists that rape the planet and steal from all of humanity with their genocidal crimes of genocide against Indigenous people, slavery, colonialism, imperialism, etc.  Also I certainly don't believe white Europeans are somehow "inferior" to anyone, all human beings are equal and possess the same God given abilities.

Edited by Basra, 18 May 2011 - 02:30 AM.

[ShiaBen]

He calls me an idiot and insults me 100x. Then reports me right after LOL! Guess he wants to get me banned from SC.

Marbles Marbles Marbles, much like a pack of marbles just bursts out like a crybaby when he's proven wrong.

He preaches about what "right" and "wrong" Muslims are, yet he bashes countries that enforce Shariah Law like Iran etc.

Some "Muslim" he is.

Basra, on 18 May 2011 - 01:47 AM, said:

Calling out white European "Christians" for their crimes and calling on them to pay all of humanity reparations is allegedly "racism" according to fools like you!  It is not "racism" it's calling for justice and it is grounded in reality and a thorough understanding of world history.  Even a good website run by a white European academic explains "treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity" http://racetraitor.org/.  So is this white European person living in "America" who agrees with me also "racist"?!  Or I assume you'll claim similar to what Zionist Khazar "Jews" say about another Jewish person who speaks against Zionist crimes, that these white Europeans are "self-hating whites" (compared to the "self-hating Jew" charge Zionists toss out against Jews with a conscience that oppose Zionist colonialism and evildoing).



Being "racist" would mean I hate a particular group of people simply for who they are and even more importantly I would have to believe that this group (obviously in the case of my posts white Europeans, most of whom are "Christians") was allegedly inherently "inferior" or something.  News for you, I don't believe either of those two things!  I don't hate white Europeans as a whole and I especially don't hate them simply for being "white" in skin tone!  I hate white European criminals (note not all white Europeans), I hate those white European imperialists that rape the planet and steal from all of humanity with their genocidal crimes of genocide against Indigenous people, slavery, colonialism, imperialism, etc.  Also I certainly don't believe white Europeans are some "inferior" to anyone, all human beings are equal and possess the same God given abilities.

Here's the problem with their thinking. They believe that Muslims can be racists.

How is this so, when, our religion is ALL ABOUT PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT COLORS. They can say "prejudice" which means someone who opposes someone else's viewpoints or ideas. But none of these guys can call anyone a racist.

Even I too would be considered prejudice if I disagree with something someone says. If I oppose homosexuality, that would make me prejudiced. If I oppose alcoholism, that too would make me prejudice. But opposing U.S. foreign policy and colonization, doesn't make anyone racist. It's just a political difference.

[Marbles]

ShiaBen, on 18 May 2011 - 02:06 AM, said:

Here's the problem with their thinking. They believe that Muslims can be racists.

How is this so, when, our religion is ALL ABOUT PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT COLORS.

It's simple.

Anyone can be racist regardless of their religion. Muslims aren't supposed to be racist because Islam is against racism, but they can be if they chose to be. Just as they can be liars, cheaters and killers while still being professedly Muslim.

Why is that soooo hard for you to comprehend?

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e calls me an idiot and insults me 100x. Then reports me right after LOL!

You were the first to call names. To Maryam and than to me. Don't cry if you get a taste in return. And yes, I have reported because no admin seems to notice your behaviour. But they are quick to notice mine because I do not worship the mullahs in Iran.

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Some "Muslim" he is.

Alhamdulillah. Better than you by any count.

Edited by Marbles, 18 May 2011 - 03:18 AM.

[ShiaBen]

Marbles, on 18 May 2011 - 03:16 AM, said:

It's simple.

Anyone can be racist regardless of their religion. Muslims aren't supposed to be racist because Islam is against racism, but they can be if they chose to be. Just as they can be liars, cheaters and killers while still being professedly Muslim.

Why is that soooo hard for you to comprehend?


You were the first to call names. To Maryam and than to me. Don't cry if you get a taste in return. And yes, I have reported because no admin seems to notice your behaviour. But they are quick to notice mine because I do not worship the mullahs in Iran.


Alhamdulillah. Better than you by any count.

No, that's not true. This was between me and Maryam, then  you stuck your 7 inch fat nose into it. And called me an idiot out of nowhere, just to start something up when you saw I was being sarcastic.

Sorry, you're still a little boy that has to report every user you disagree with on the threads, be it me, baradar, glow, basra, or anyone else that doesn't try to taint Islam with ignorance.

Once again, I don't blame the mods  because they don't take anyone (people like you) too seriously when they  see that you guys openly endorse elements that exploited Muslims in pre 1979 Iran.

You can go worship your Zia, Musharaf (more like Bisharaf), and  similar leaders that enjoyed slaughtering Muslim heads, especially Shiite and Palestinian ones.

Your jealousy and hatred toward Iran (an Islamic Iran to be EXACT) is disgusting. While the Shiite world (even a lot of the Sunni world) looks up to Iran as an Islamic role model, clowns like you want to see it destroyed, just to put Iran on the same level as the other sell out nations, and quite possibly see an end of an Islamic society, just to see a westernized one take its spot. Good day to you and your shahi buddies

[Marbles]

ShiaBen, on 18 May 2011 - 01:46 PM, said:

No, that's not true. This was between me and Maryam, then  you stuck your 7 inch fat nose into it. And called me an idiot out of nowhere, just to start something up when you saw I was being sarcastic.

Sorry, you're still a little boy that has to report every user you disagree with on the threads, be it me, baradar, glow, basra, or anyone else that doesn't try to taint Islam with ignorance.

Once again, I don't blame the mods  because they don't take anyone (people like you) too seriously when they  see that you guys openly endorse elements that exploited Muslims in pre 1979 Iran.

You can go worship your Zia, Musharaf (more like Bisharaf), and  similar leaders that enjoyed slaughtering Muslim heads, especially Shiite and Palestinian ones.

Your jealousy and hatred toward Iran (an Islamic Iran to be EXACT) is disgusting. While the Shiite world (even a lot of the Sunni world) looks up to Iran as an Islamic role model, clowns like you want to see it destroyed, just to put Iran on the same level as the other sell out nations, and quite possibly see an end of an Islamic society, just to see a westernized one take its spot. Good day to you and your shahi buddies

Bro, have you vented? Do you feel better now?

You are again lying. It is not being sarcastic. It is called telling a lie to the face.

I should make it clear to one and all that all the accusations you have made against me and my positions/views on million things you mentioned, are false. I don't have anymore the time or will to sit here and waste it in back and forth bickering. So I will let go.

Please have some integrity. Have some self-respect. I don't doubt your sincerity for Islam and Muslims but if you think you are a good Muslim then at least show that you are.

[Yousuf Ahmed]

The Shah's Government was a Government of the privileged few. Its social base was exceedingly narrow. The present Government may be dictatorial, but at least it has a wider social base.  

Though this is not related to the topic, i felt I had to say this bcoz the question of Iran was coming up repeatedly on this thread.

[Glow]

[Edited]

Edited by inshaAllah, 19 May 2011 - 09:08 AM.
Kindly stick to the topic.

[Basra]

Marbles, on 18 May 2011 - 03:16 AM, said:

It's simple.

Anyone can be racist regardless of their religion. Muslims aren't supposed to be racist because Islam is against racism, but they can be if they chose to be. Just as they can be liars, cheaters and killers while still being professedly Muslim.

Why is that soooo hard for you to comprehend?

Since it is me your claiming is allegedly "racist", I thought I would let you know again that I don't hate all white Europeans only those who do evil imperialism and warmongering.  I do however call on white Europeans as a whole to pay reparations to the rest of humanity, as white European wealth is a result of the imperialist crimes of white European colonialist powers.  A good article pointing this out.

http://www.guardian....britishidentity

Quote- A collective failure of the imagination now makes it difficult for us to think about the globe before European and American domination. Greed and violence are hardly exclusive to one culture. But colonialism destroyed or strangled possibilities and potential for progress, such as Mughal Emperor Akbar's "sul-e-kul" or "universal good" which underpinned his governance. The scale of European imperialism inaugurated a new chapter in the history of greed which still shapes all our lives. Natural resources - cotton, sugar, teak, rubber, minerals - were plundered in gigantic quantities. The Indian textile industry was the most advanced in the world when the British arrived; within half a century it had been destroyed. The enslaved and indentured (at least 20 million Africans and 1.5 million Indians) were shipped across the globe to work on plantations, mines and railroads. The stupendous profits deriving from this enabled today's developed world to prosper.

The point isn't for Europeans to feel guilt, but a serious consideration of historical responsibility isn't the same thing as a blame game. Forgetting history is tempting but undermines a society's capacity for change.

end quote.

Also another hallmark of "racism", believing that a "race" (race is an unscientific social construct by the way) is somehow allegedly "inferior" is not something I believe.  I believe all humans (including white Europeans) are equal, however I do believe (as all academic evidence shows) that black Africans are the original human beings that all other human beings descend from.  Meaning black Africans are the original humans of this planet, this is not allegeed "racism" at all.

[ShiaBen]

Basra, on 18 May 2011 - 10:04 PM, said:

Since it is me your claiming is allegedly "racist", I thought I would let you know again that I don't hate all white Europeans only those who do evil imperialism and warmongering.  I do however call on white Europeans as a whole to pay reparations to the rest of humanity, as white European wealth is a result of the imperialist crimes of white European colonialist powers.  A good article pointing this out.

http://www.guardian....britishidentity

Quote- A collective failure of the imagination now makes it difficult for us to think about the globe before European and American domination. Greed and violence are hardly exclusive to one culture. But colonialism destroyed or strangled possibilities and potential for progress, such as Mughal Emperor Akbar's "sul-e-kul" or "universal good" which underpinned his governance. The scale of European imperialism inaugurated a new chapter in the history of greed which still shapes all our lives. Natural resources - cotton, sugar, teak, rubber, minerals - were plundered in gigantic quantities. The Indian textile industry was the most advanced in the world when the British arrived; within half a century it had been destroyed. The enslaved and indentured (at least 20 million Africans and 1.5 million Indians) were shipped across the globe to work on plantations, mines and railroads. The stupendous profits deriving from this enabled today's developed world to prosper.

The point isn't for Europeans to feel guilt, but a serious consideration of historical responsibility isn't the same thing as a blame game. Forgetting history is tempting but undermines a society's capacity for change.

end quote.

Also another hallmark of "racism", believing that a "race" (race is an unscientific social construct by the way) is somehow allegedly "inferior" is not something I believe.  I believe all humans (including white Europeans) are equal, however I do believe (as all academic evidence shows) that black Africans are the original human beings that all other human beings descend from.  Meaning black Africans are the original humans of this planet, this is not allegeed "racism" at all.

Yeah, racism, is quite a man made construct. In Islam, the function doesn't exist since we believe we're all from 1 single race. (In other words, we're human, not separate animal species). But maybe in a religion like Hinduism, it might. I remember Indians of Aryan descent were deemed as superior to Indians of Dravidian descent. And they put them through quite a hell because of their beliefs of racial superiority. Of course today, things are quite different in India now.

[Darth Vader]

How did a thread meant to discuss NATO vs. Pak military adventures turning into a war get derailed into a discussion about racism.... =/

[ShiaBen]

Abu Dujana, on 18 May 2011 - 11:01 PM, said:

How did a thread meant to discuss NATO vs. Pak military adventures turning into a war get derailed into a discussion about racism.... =/

There are many people going about accusing Basra of being a racist for opposing U.S. past colonialization, modern imperialism, and the govt.

So Basra, countered, and explained that he's not a racist etc.

As for the topic. Pakistan, won't go to war with the U.S. because it's not really an independent country. Zia killed their last independent leader.

Ever since then, they've made it very hard on the Pakistanis to have full independent power.

[Marbles]

Abu Dujana, on 18 May 2011 - 11:01 PM, said:

How did a thread meant to discuss NATO vs. Pak military adventures turning into a war get derailed into a discussion about racism.... =/

Because whatever happens in this world is the doing of the "white skinned monkeys" of the West. So every thread turns into racism.

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There are many people going about accusing Basra of being a racist for opposing U.S. past colonialization, modern imperialism, and the govt.

He is a previously banned member who was banned for his blatant racism. Since then he has "toned down" a bit, in order to survive on SC. I wonder if he had come to an understanding with the admins.

This is not true that he is called racist for opposing historical colonisation and modern imperialism. His terms of debate and vocabulary is clear. Telling the whites in the US to go back to Europe and leave the "natives" isn't actually opposing the historical colonialism and modern imperialism. It is racist hate.

Every sentence contains the descriptive word "white" in this posts, embellished with expletives of all kinds for this race who thought of themselves as superior. Yes, I understand there was historical white racism in the world which was systematic and brutal but this has now dwindled into fringe activity. Yes, latent and casual racism survives but then which community on earth, including Muslims, isn't racist in this way? This sort of racism isn't systematic and doesn't equal the one which White Europeans produced but it is racism nonetheless. One doesn't have to believe in the "superiority" of their racial traits and wonderful genetics to be adequately called a racist.

[titumir]

Marbles, on 19 May 2011 - 01:32 AM, said:

Because whatever happens in this world is the doing of the "white skinned monkeys" of the West. So every thread turns into racism.


He is a previously banned member who was banned for his blatant racism. Since then he has "toned down" a bit, in order to survive on SC. I wonder if he had come to an understanding with the admins.

So, not only [Edited] you gulp down every bit of Western propaganda, you even accuse the admins of corruption without any proof!

Edited by inshaAllah, 19 May 2011 - 09:04 AM.
Please avoid harsh tone/comments. Refer to my p.m. Thankyou

[Marbles]

titumir, on 19 May 2011 - 02:30 AM, said:

So, not only are you a poor deluded fool who gulps down every bit of Western propaganda, you even accuse the admins of corruption without any proof!

You are not going to get my attention with this attitude. If you have the mettle then engage with my argument. Otherwise lay off.

Name calling reported.

[Basra]

Marbles, on 19 May 2011 - 01:32 AM, said:

Telling the whites in the US to go back to Europe and leave the "natives" isn't actually opposing the historical colonialism and modern imperialism. It is racist hate.

I just want to respond to you on this, as it caught my eye.  How exactly is it "racist hate" to tell white European invaders and their current descendants to leave land that they stole from indigenous Mongoloid Native Americans and let the few remaining descendants of this nearly exterminated Native peoples take control of the land that is rightfully theirs (under good leaders like say Russell Means, Ward Churchill, or the political prisoner Leonard Peltier)?!  This is calling for justice and reparations, not "racist hate" as you absurdly allege!

I don't see you saying anything about all the idiotic white supremacist European fools in "Amerikkka" that tell Arabs, Asians, and whoever else to "leave my land, my Amuurka!"  The simple fact is white Europeans are all invaders that stole what we now call "America" (again named after the 15th century CE Italian invader Amerigo Vespucci) from the indigenous Mongoloid Natives who are the only true (and continuing) owners of the continents of both North and South "America" (aka Meso-"America").  These white European "Christian" invaders exterminated upwards of 90% of the overall indigenous Native non-white owners (killing likely over 100 million people, as the population of the pre-genocide or pre-1492 "Americas" was likely between 100 million and 110 million making it one of the most populated places on earth at that point in the late 15th Century CE: http://www2.hawaii.e...s/stannard.html) of the "Americas" in the largest holocaust/genocide humanity has ever seen (making what the Nazi Germans did to the Jews in WWII pale in comparison, as the Nazis "only" killed off about 1/3 or 33% of the world's Jewish population and there was even a population of about 80,000 Jews surviving in just the nation of Germany alone after WWII not to mention the rest of Europe itself).  

I especially love the irony when racists among the white Europeans tell anybody to "leave my land" (putting aside the situation in what is today commonly called the "United States of Amerikkka" which was clearly stolen from the true indigenous Mongoloid Native "Americans" from 1492 CE till our present day).  A person of black African origin and descent could easily respond to this racist white European supremacist and say "leave my planet": as all evidence shows that humans originated on the African continent making the black African the original human being which all other humans descend from!  Note this is not meant to claim black Africans are "supreme" or naturally "better" than other people, it is simply a fact of history that humans originated in Africa.

A good book to read:

Edited by Basra, 19 May 2011 - 05:13 AM.

[Irishman]

http://www.dignubia....ne/bce-1450.htm

Nubian Gold

For centuries people knew that gold came from Nubia. When the Egyptians took over Nubia about 1450 BCE, they began searching to find where it came from. They discovered some gold near the Nile, but they found larger amounts in the desert far away from the Nile. The Egyptians sent many slaves to mine the gold. Many workers died because of the heat and lack of water.

The gold of Nubia made Egypt very rich. Egypt became so rich that the kings of other countries believed that gold was "as common as dust" there. Archaeologists think that most of the gold used in Tutankhmun's burial may have been mined in Nubia, since at that time most of the gold used in Egypt came from Nubia.


I guess Egypt better start paying billions of dollars compensation for the gold stolen from Nubia and the slaves that died carrying it to Egypt. Not that the US puppet leader is gone, they can start now.

[Basra]

Irishman, on 19 May 2011 - 05:51 AM, said:

http://www.dignubia....ne/bce-1450.htm

Nubian Gold

For centuries people knew that gold came from Nubia. When the Egyptians took over Nubia about 1450 BCE, they began searching to find where it came from. They discovered some gold near the Nile, but they found larger amounts in the desert far away from the Nile. The Egyptians sent many slaves to mine the gold. Many workers died because of the heat and lack of water.

The gold of Nubia made Egypt very rich. Egypt became so rich that the kings of other countries believed that gold was "as common as dust" there. Archaeologists think that most of the gold used in Tutankhmun's burial may have been mined in Nubia, since at that time most of the gold used in Egypt came from Nubia.


I guess Egypt better start paying billions of dollars compensation for the gold stolen from Nubia and the slaves that died carrying it to Egypt. Not that the US puppet leader is gone, they can start now.

Nice try you white supremacist imperialist apologist, but you fail as usual.  The Nubians are the Egyptian people and they live as full citizens of Egypt till this day.  There were even Nubian Pharaohs you clown!  http://ngm.nationalg...raper-text.html  Also slavery in Ancient Egypt has been shown to be exaggerated as claims such as "slaves built the pyramids", etc. continue to be refuted it continues to evidenced that employment of free workers was the general trend in Ancient Egypt: http://www.huffingto...e_n_419326.html "New Discovery Shows Slaves Didn't Build Pyramids, Egypt Says"

The Nubians are almost all Muslims and live in Egypt (and Sudan as well), there situation cannot be compared at all to the genocide thieving white European "Christian" invaders carried out against the Mongoloid Indigenous Native "Americans"!

The Nubian Egyptian leader Anwar al-Sadat!


Academics like Shomarka Omar Yahya Keita (S.O.Y. Keita) note that Egypt in particular shows Africa's great natural diversity in general skin tone and facial shapes/types.  So your claim "Irishman" cannot be compared at all to the genocide of the Native Americans.

Edited by Basra, 19 May 2011 - 06:32 AM.

[Irishman]

Basra, on 19 May 2011 - 06:31 AM, said:

Nice try you white supremacist imperialist apologist, but you fail as usual.  The Nubians are the Egyptian people and they live as full citizens of Egypt till this day.  There were even Nubian Pharaohs you clown!  http://ngm.nationalg...raper-text.html  Also slavery in Ancient Egypt has been shown to be exaggerated as claims such as "slaves built the pyramids", etc. continue to be refuted it continues to evidenced that employment of free workers was the general trend in Ancient Egypt: http://www.huffingto...e_n_419326.html "New Discovery Shows Slaves Didn't Build Pyramids, Egypt Says"

The Nubians are almost all Muslims and live in Egypt (and Sudan as well), there situation cannot be compared at all to the genocide thieving white European "Christian" invaders carried out against the Mongoloid Indigenous Native "Americans"!

The Nubian Egyptian leader Anwar al-Sadat!


Academics like Shomarka Omar Yahya Keita (S.O.Y. Keita) note that Egypt in particular shows Africa's great natural diversity in general skin tone and facial shapes/types.  So your claim "Irishman" cannot be compared at all to the genocide of the Native Americans.

Massive fail again Racist boy. The Nubian people were all present in Sudan, and Egypt took over Nubia. The gold belonged to the Nubian people not the Egyptians. I guess any resources taken from places that White Europeans took over is fine then also.

[Basra]

Irishman, on 19 May 2011 - 06:43 AM, said:

Massive fail again Racist boy. The Nubian people were all present in Sudan, and Egypt took over Nubia. The gold belonged to the Nubian people not the Egyptians. I guess any resources taken from places that White Europeans took over is fine then also.

I think you need to read any history source and you will see them stating clearly that Nubians have always been considered Egyptians!  Nubians are from "northern Sudan" and southern Egypt!  Now you could try to argue that Egypt had "different borders" at different points in time and so what is truly considered Egypt at what time in history is open to some debate, but still you really have no argument.  Nubians have always been a part of Egypt and the Egyptian society all the way back to Ancient Egypt, which explains why there were Nubian Pharaohs and in modern times the Nubian Anwar al-Sadat was the leader of Egypt.  All Egyptians are African only Nubians are darker in skin tone than there fellow African Egyptians (who as renowned academic S.O.Y. Keita details are all part of the natural diversity of the African continent not some alleged "outside invasion".  Skin tone differences are natural and they are all indigenous to the African continent and not "white" at all).

As for your claim, again you have been refuted as academics are showing that alleged "slavery" has been greatly exaggerated in the Ancient Egyptian context and that most workers in Ancient Egyptian society were free workers not alleged "slaves".  The general treatment of Ancient Egypt shows that any form of "slavery" there cannot be compared to the racist, demonic context of white European "Christian" controlled slavery (aka the monstrous white European "Christian" controlled, see Sir John Hawkins and the Good Ship Jesus, Trans Atlantic slave trade) in the stolen "Amerikkkas" which killed 60 million Africans.  http://www.the4thworld.net/node/15

Quote- The African tribes who did engage in trade with the slavers could have no way of knowing how the Europeans would use the captives. Chattel slavery and the associated denial of human rights was unknown to them. The terrors that were visited on the kidnapped Africans is solely credited to the slavers themselves.

end quote.

http://www.ghanaweb....l.php?ID=180999

Again you have no argument, as nothing in the Nubian Egyptian context can ever be compared at all (by any stretch of the imagination) to the genocide the white European "Christian" invaders carried out against the Indigenous Native "Americans" killing 100 million and stealing an entire continent away from them or the Trans Atlantic slave trade that built "Amerikkka" that saw white European "Christians" kill 60 million Africans.  http://www.iacenter....aiti/impact.htm

Edited by Basra, 19 May 2011 - 07:00 AM.

[Irishman]

Basra, on 19 May 2011 - 06:52 AM, said:

I think you need to read any history source and you will see them stating clearly that Nubians have always been considered Egyptians!  Nubians are from "northern Sudan" and southern Egypt!  Now you could try to argue that Egypt had "different borders" at different points in time and so what is truly considered Egypt at what time in history is open to some debate, but still you really have no argument.  Nubians have always been Egyptians, which explains why there were Nubian Pharaohs and in modern times the Nubian Anwar al-Sadat was the leader of Egypt.  All Egyptians are African only Nubians are darker in skin tone than there fellow African Egyptians (who as renowned academic S.O.Y. Keita details are all part of the natural diversity of the African continent not some alleged "outside invasion".  Skin tone differences are natural and they are all indigenous to the African continent and not "white" at all).

Ah yes, lets now use the 'different borders at different times excuse' to try and make land grabs all fine, and now its no argument. So a Nubian was a leader of Egypt at one point, oh well, I guess that makes stealing their land and gold all ok then!!

[Basra]

Irishman, on 19 May 2011 - 07:07 AM, said:

Ah yes, lets now use the 'different borders at different times excuse' to try and make land grabs all fine, and now its no argument. So a Nubian was a leader of Egypt at one point, oh well, I guess that makes stealing their land and gold all ok then!!

Nubians have always been a part of Egypt (and any history book will again tell you Nubians are from "northern Sudan" and southern Egypt) the Nubians have always been full equals in Egyptian society (from Ancient Egyptian times till today).  There was no alleged "stealing of gold" by an "Egyptian" against a Nubian, as the Nubians themselves are Egyptian!  Again this is small peanuts and cannot be compared to violent, genocidal white European "Christian" invaders coming across thousands of miles of ocean to invade and conquer an entire foreign continent made up of Mongoloid Indigenous Native peoples (killing 100 million of them and stealing their land).

[Irishman]

Basra, on 19 May 2011 - 07:12 AM, said:

Nubians have always been a part of Egypt (and any history book will again tell you Nubians are from "northern Sudan" and southern Egypt) the Nubians have always been full equals in Egyptian society (from Ancient Egyptian times till today).  There was no alleged "stealing of gold" by an "Egyptian" against a Nubian, as the Nubians themselves are Egyptian!  Again this is small peanuts and cannot be compared to violent, genocidal white European "Christian" invaders coming across thousands of miles of ocean to invade and conquer an entire foreign continent made up of Mongoloid Indigenous Native peoples (killing 100 million of them and stealing their land).

Basra rewriting history again to try and brush any evil Egyptian or Arab history under the carpet. They are not "whites", so only his sources count as valid.

http://www.dignubia....e/bce-1540a.htm

While the Hyskos kings ruled northern Egypt, one of them heard that an Egyptian prince in the south planned to rebel against him. The king then sent a messenger carrying a letter to the king of Kush, asking for help. The letter asked the king of Kush to attack Egypt from the south; the Hyksos king told him he would attack from the north at the same time. Then they would divide up Egypt between them. The Egyptian prince managed to capture the Hyksos messenger with his letter before he reached Kush, so the plan was spoiled. The prince and his sons eventually overthrew the Hyskos kings and reunited Egypt.

The Egyptians then invaded Kush, burned Kerma, and claimed Nubia as an Egyptian province. From about 1450 BCE until 1100 BCE, Egypt ruled Nubia. During this time, the Egyptians explored Nubia for gold and other raw materials. They shipped what they found to Egypt and presented it to the pharaoh in great pageants.


I guess the "Muslim" Moors never attacked and took over large parts of Spain and Portugal. No Muslim invasions of Southern Italy and Sicily etc... Never a massive Persian Empire pre-Islam etc...

Countries and Empires have been on conquests since time began. So us "Whities" have been more successful than you "Brownies" or "Blackies". Well too bad. Get over it!!

[satyaban]

If Pakistan And America Went To War