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#51 ShiaBen

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 01:07 AM

View PostMaryaam, on 13 May 2011 - 10:43 PM, said:

Ahhh - and yesterday we were "all brothers and sisters"  :wub:  – guess that was deeply felt in your increasingly shallow empty excuse of a being.



How the hell would you know about eastern anything? You live the soft life in Southern California as an armchair Easterner.  All is supplied, nary a neither worry nor care, with nothing to do but play a character. You are a self aggrandizing hypocritical bigot and would not know the suffering of humanity if it bit you on your marshmallow soft big butt.  

Remove the ugly blinders that narrow your world, paralyze your mind, blacken your soul and numb your ability to embrace the cornucopia of what we call humanity. There is a beautiful world out there – hope you find it.

I live in Southern California. But where did I say "We must destroy Westernization"

I'm merely stating that Western powers seek to impose their values on Eastern cultures. I never said anything complicated outside of that statement.

You need to stop taking my words out of context and stop imposing your hatred on Eastern cultures.

And I'm not sure how I'm a bigot. I don't think you even know what that word means. I don't think Muslims can be bigots in the first place lol.

Edited by ShiaBen, 14 May 2011 - 01:08 AM.


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Posted 14 May 2011 - 01:52 AM

Actually, the Persians are descended from the same racial stock as the Europeans. Farsi is an Indo-European language, unlike most others in the ME. The racial difference between a Persian and an Englishman is really no greater than the difference between a Russia and an Englishman. Not sure why we are talking about this in the Pakistan subforum though.
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Posted 14 May 2011 - 01:55 AM

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I live in Southern California. But where did I say "We must destroy ]Westernization"

Where did I say you said that? Creating your own reality is your MO. If you are able, read what I really wrote - reflection is always helpful.

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I'm merely stating that Western powers seek to impose their values on Eastern cultures. I never said anything complicated outside of that statement.
You never said any such thing you went on about ethnocentricity and then – you just irrationally attacked me for no reason in a thread with no related post to your froth.

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You need to stop taking my words out of context and stop imposing your hatred on Eastern cultures.
Where did I do that? You come out of nowhere like a pervert to attack me about some problem you have which is not even related to this thread and expect kind treatment.

Being a jerk has nothing to do with east or west - it is a universal weakness - and you have proven you rank up there with the worst of them.  

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And I'm not sure how I'm a bigot. I don't think you even know what that word means.I don't think Muslims can be bigots in the first place lol.

WTH???  Case closed – you just proved my point.

Remove the ugly blinders that narrow your world, paralyze your mind, blacken your soul and numb your ability to embrace the cornucopia of what we call humanity. There is a beautiful world out there – I hope you find it, you are not a happy camper

Edited by Maryaam, 14 May 2011 - 02:32 AM.


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Posted 14 May 2011 - 02:06 AM

View PostMaryaam, on 14 May 2011 - 01:55 AM, said:

Where did I say you said that? Creating your own reality is your MO. If you are able, read what I really wrote - reflection is always helpful.


You never said any such thing you went on about ethnocentricity and then – you just irrationally attacked me for no reason in a thread with no related post to your froth.


Where did I do that? You come out of nowhere like a pervert to attack me about some problem you have which is not even related to this thread and expect kind treatment.

Being a jerk has nothing to do with east or west - it is a universal weakness - and you have proven you rank up there with the worst of them.  



WTH???  Case closed – you just proved my point.

Remove the ugly blinders that narrow your world, paralyze your mind, blacken your soul and numb your ability to embrace the cornucopia of what we call humanity. There is a beautiful world out there – I hope you find it, you are not a happy camper


to remove haram things from western countries is not haram.  keep up your legitimate struggle as a good person. don't hate of anyone try to explain everything honestly if you don't know something then don't reply, first learn then reply.

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 02:10 AM

View Postfiroz1986, on 14 May 2011 - 02:06 AM, said:

to remove haram things from western countries is not haram.  keep up your legitimate struggle as a good person. don't hate of anyone try to explain everything honestly if you don't know something then don't reply, first learn then reply.
This has nothing to do with haram things in western countries or eastern countries - this has to do with someone being a jerk and a bigot.  There was zero honesty and integrity and intention in his mocking post. He demonstrated a true hypocrite; an unhappy guy.

Edited by Maryaam, 14 May 2011 - 02:33 AM.


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Posted 14 May 2011 - 05:04 AM

View PostShiaBen, on 14 May 2011 - 01:07 AM, said:

I live in Southern California. But where did I say "We must destroy Westernization"

I'm merely stating that Western powers seek to impose their values on Eastern cultures. I never said anything complicated outside of that statement.

You need to stop taking my words out of context and stop imposing your hatred on Eastern cultures.

And I'm not sure how I'm a bigot. I don't think you even know what that word means. I don't think Muslims can be bigots in the first place lol.
Wahahaha @ Maryaam your sig is a cracker :lol:

Shiaben: As obvious you don't know what you are talking about, kid. You shoot yourself in the foot and discredit yourself by such statements. You don't need me or someone replying to the bull in your posts really. It is already apparent to one and all.

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 08:55 AM

^ off topic @ last 8 posts.

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 09:48 AM

View PostNoah-, on 14 May 2011 - 08:55 AM, said:

^ off topic @ last 8 posts.
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Posted 14 May 2011 - 06:45 PM

View PostMaryaam, on 13 May 2011 - 10:43 PM, said:

Ahhh - and yesterday we were "all brothers and sisters"  :wub:  – guess that was deeply felt in your increasingly shallow empty excuse of a being.



How the hell would you know about eastern anything? You live the soft life in Southern California as an armchair Easterner.  All is supplied, nary a neither worry nor care, with nothing to do but play a character. You are a self aggrandizing hypocritical bigot and would not know the suffering of humanity if it bit you on your marshmallow soft big butt.  

Remove the ugly blinders that narrow your world, paralyze your mind, blacken your soul and numb your ability to embrace the cornucopia of what we call humanity. There is a beautiful world out there – hope you find it.

"Southern California" is Native Indigenous Mongoloid land so I don't know what your trying to do by "insulting" him and oh yeah using your logic: Africans are the original humans so why are you living a comfy "armchair" life on the planet of the original human (the black African)?!

Edited by Basra, 14 May 2011 - 06:48 PM.

"Democracy" is a myth used to justify Western imperialist aggressions abroad to steal resources. "Democracy" is a myth that doesn't exist other than direct democracy; which only the ancient Greeks of Athens are suppose to have practiced.  The slave owning, racist, Native American killer James Madison, the fourth US "President", was an enemy of "democracy" and called on the US government to "protect the minority of the opulent against the majority".  As Karl Marx said we need a dictatorship of the proletariat to liberate the world from the oppression of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie or capitalism which has killed 1.6 Billion people and continues to kill 100 million people every 8 to 12 years worldwide.

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 06:51 PM

View PostBasra, on 14 May 2011 - 06:45 PM, said:

"Southern California" is Native Indigenous Mongoloid land so I don't know what your trying to do by "insulting" him and oh yeah using your logic: Africans are the original humans so why are you living a comfy "armchair" life on the planet of the original human (the black African)?!
Socrates. This is 2011 not 1511. Take note.

And stop being obsessive with race and colours of skin. I am surprised why you aren't banned yet for spreading racism on SC like black plague...err....white plague I mean.

In any case your nonsensical post has nothing to do with what Maryaam said. But you are like a broken record which can only play one tune.

Edited by Marbles, 14 May 2011 - 06:54 PM.


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Posted 14 May 2011 - 06:56 PM

View PostMarbles, on 14 May 2011 - 06:51 PM, said:

Socrates. This is 2011 not 1511. Take note.

And stop being obsessive with race and colours of skin. I am surprised why you aren't banned yet for spreading racism on SC like black plague...err....white plague I mean.

In any case your nonsensical post had nothing to do with what Maryaam said. But you are like a broken record which can only play one tune.

So stating the reality that black Africans are the original humans, is allegedly "racism" according to you?!  I just noticed the hypocrisy in what she stated, wherein she sounded much like some of the racist idiots among the white European "Christian" invader descendants who claim people need to leave "their" alleged land (that they stole from the Native Indigenous Mongoloid people of the "Americas").

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"Democracy" is a myth used to justify Western imperialist aggressions abroad to steal resources. "Democracy" is a myth that doesn't exist other than direct democracy; which only the ancient Greeks of Athens are suppose to have practiced.  The slave owning, racist, Native American killer James Madison, the fourth US "President", was an enemy of "democracy" and called on the US government to "protect the minority of the opulent against the majority".  As Karl Marx said we need a dictatorship of the proletariat to liberate the world from the oppression of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie or capitalism which has killed 1.6 Billion people and continues to kill 100 million people every 8 to 12 years worldwide.

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Posted 15 May 2011 - 12:47 AM

View PostBasra, on 14 May 2011 - 06:45 PM, said:

"Southern California" is Native Indigenous Mongoloid land so I don't know what your trying to do by "insulting" him and oh yeah using your logic: Africans are the original humans so why are you living a comfy "armchair" life on the planet of the original human (the black African)?!



I see you are one of the cowards who is afraid to say where you live, probably in the West.

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Posted 15 May 2011 - 01:57 AM

View PostBasra, on 14 May 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:

So stating the reality that black Africans are the original humans, is allegedly "racism" according to you?!  I just noticed the hypocrisy in what she stated, wherein she sounded much like some of the racist idiots among the white European "Christian" invader descendants who claim people need to leave "their" alleged land (that they stole from the Native Indigenous Mongoloid people of the "Americas").

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Why are people afraid/ashamed of being related to Black people?

I don't get it. They had a cool documentary on possibly the early prototypical "Eve" figure.

And as for Maryaam, I referred to bigot in the racist sense, not the ideological sense, EPIC FAIL!!!!

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Posted 15 May 2011 - 02:07 AM

View PostShiaBen, on 15 May 2011 - 01:57 AM, said:

Why are people afraid/ashamed of being related to Black people?

I don't get it. They had a cool documentary on possibly the early prototypical "Eve" figure.

And as for Maryaam, I referred to bigot in the racist sense, not the ideological sense, EPIC FAIL!!!!
Read again.

No one has said they are afraid/ashamed of being related to Blacks. This is common knowledge now that humanity came out of Africa. And guess what. It was mainly the "white" scientists who researched that fact and told the world about it. Chinese or Africans didn't do it.

Second, Maryaam isn't epic fail. You are. Muslims can be bigots if they want to be, both in racist and ideological senses. One glaring example, among many on the forum, is the guy whose post you replied to above. He is a bigot in racist sense.

View Postsatyaban, on 15 May 2011 - 12:47 AM, said:

I see you are one of the cowards who is afraid to say where you live, probably in the West.
LOL. Guess where he lives. :lol:

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Posted 15 May 2011 - 02:13 AM

I hope Basra lives in his name sake and not my country.
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 09:55 PM

View Postsatyaban, on 15 May 2011 - 02:13 AM, said:

I hope Basra lives in his name sake and not my country.

I sure hope your an Indigenous Native Mongoloid person or else "your country" is not what is today called "the United States of America" (with the later name "America" being named after the evil 15th century CE Italian invader of the "New World": Amerigo Vespucci) and you should thus go back to Europe where your white European ancestor's invaded from.  Also using your imperialist logic you should leave the planet of the original black African man; who is the original human being.  Again if we use your "logic"!

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Edited by Basra, 17 May 2011 - 09:58 PM.

"Democracy" is a myth used to justify Western imperialist aggressions abroad to steal resources. "Democracy" is a myth that doesn't exist other than direct democracy; which only the ancient Greeks of Athens are suppose to have practiced.  The slave owning, racist, Native American killer James Madison, the fourth US "President", was an enemy of "democracy" and called on the US government to "protect the minority of the opulent against the majority".  As Karl Marx said we need a dictatorship of the proletariat to liberate the world from the oppression of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie or capitalism which has killed 1.6 Billion people and continues to kill 100 million people every 8 to 12 years worldwide.

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 10:23 PM

View PostMarbles, on 14 May 2011 - 05:04 AM, said:

Wahahaha @ Maryaam your sig is a cracker :lol:Shiaben: As obvious you don't know what you are talking about, kid. You shoot yourself in the foot and discredit yourself by such statements. You don't need me or someone replying to the bull in your posts really. It is already apparent to one and all..

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 11:32 PM

View PostBasra, on 17 May 2011 - 09:55 PM, said:

I sure hope your an Indigenous Native Mongoloid person or else "your country" is not what is today called "the United States of America" (with the later name "America" being named after the evil 15th century CE Italian invader of the "New World": Amerigo Vespucci) and you should thus go back to Europe where your white European ancestor's invaded from.  Also using your imperialist logic you should leave the planet of the original black African man; who is the original human being.  Again if we use your "logic"!

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What do the people across North Africa call themselves, Arabs right? Do you think all Arabs should return to Arabia?
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Posted 17 May 2011 - 11:47 PM

View Postsatyaban, on 17 May 2011 - 11:32 PM, said:

What do the people across North Africa call themselves, Arabs right? Do you think all Arabs should return to Arabia?

Nice try but you fail!  There was no spread of "Arab" people there was only spread of Arab culture and the Arabic language, a process commonly termed "Arabization" (cultural and linguistic in nature).  The spread of the Arabic language is obvious and goes much with the spread of the religion of Islam (which is part of the cultural "Arabization" of places like North Africa).  This is nothing like what happened with white European "Christians" invading Meso-"America", killing the people, and stealing the land.  You could try to make a case for South America with the genocidal Spanish Conquistador invaders mixing in to some degree (i.e. enslaving and raping the indigenous women) but certainly not in the North American context where white Europeans just killed and stole the land and did not mix in any large degree with the Mongoloid Indigenous Native Americans.  As for the indigenous and still remaining people of North Africa (commonly termed "Arabs" because they today mostly speak the Arabic language as their mother tongue) for example on just one of these North African nations, Egypt, read from the scholar Shomarka Omar Yahya Keita about Egypt and its historical diversity from the beginning (S.O.Y. Keita: http://en.wikipedia....ki/S.O.Y._Keita) Keita stated regarding the peoples of Ancient Egypt; "it can be imagined that the modern diversity to be found in Egypt in terms of craniofacial features, skin colour, what have you, would likely have been very similar to that found in the past."  Meaning these differences in skin tones in North Africa are natural and part of the natural diversity found on the African continent, not alleged "evidence" of some outside invasion of any kind!  So there was no "Arab" invasion, the people are the same people they have just been culturally and linguistically "Arabized": again unlike many of the indigenous people of Meso-"America" who were killed off in massive genocides by invading, thieving white European "Christian" criminals.

Some examples of diverse people termed "Arabs" (because centuries ago their ancestors were culturally and linguistically "Arabized" but they are all still from their Native lands).

Black African Omar al-Bashir of Sudan, who is a black African just like all Sudanese regardless of what they are categorized as because of the language they use as their mother tongue.  There is no such thing as an "Arab" Sudanese person they are all black Africans (some just speak the Arabic language, in the Sudanese dialect, as their mother tongue) just compare Omar al-Bashir's skin tone to someone stereotypical thought of as an "Arab" like say Osama bin Laden (http://i.telegraph.c...en_1238702c.jpg) or Saddam Hussein of Iraq (http://www.gwu.edu/~...andshake300.jpg).  Then compare Omar al-Bashir's skin tone to a fellow African leader like say for just one example the leader of the southern African nation of Zambia: Rupiah Banda (http://en.wikipedia....ki/Rupiah_Banda) who is black and nobody considers "Arab".  Omar al-Bashir is clearly closer in skin tone and general physical appearance to a fellow African leader like Zambia's non-Arab leader Rupiah Banda then he is to Middle Eastern Arab individuals like the now deceased Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein.  "Race" itself is a completely unscientific social construct, and "Arab" in particular is not an alleged "race" it is only a culture and most importantly a language.

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Muammar Gaddafi a Libyan person with clear Berber lineage or ancestry (yet he still speaks Arabic and is considered Arab)

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Palestinian Christian writer Anton Shammas, who is a Palestinian Arab (http://en.wikipedia....i/Anton_Shammas). Palestinians descended from the ancient people of the land of Canaan like the Jebusites and the overall people called Canaanites as Dr. Ariella Oppenheim's genetic studies proved.  http://www.huffingto...7_68780291.html Quote- Results of a DNA study by geneticist Dr. Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinia­ns,[15][16­] together as the one same population (i.e. Palestinian Arabs)­, represent modern "descendan­ts of a core population that lived in the area since prehistori­c times", albeit religiousl­y first Christiani­zed then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized.[­15] Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifical­ly, it reaffirmed that Palestinia­n "Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan." Geneticist Michael Hammer praised "the study for 'focusing in detail on the Jewish and Palestinia­n population­s.'"[15]

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I could post many more, different examples but I think these three pictures show my point about the diversity of people commonly termed Arab (who all speak the Arabic language as their mother tongue, albeit usually in different local dialects other than when speaking in or using fusha "classical Arabic" or today's universal Modern Standard Arabic).

Edited by Basra, 18 May 2011 - 12:21 AM.

"Democracy" is a myth used to justify Western imperialist aggressions abroad to steal resources. "Democracy" is a myth that doesn't exist other than direct democracy; which only the ancient Greeks of Athens are suppose to have practiced.  The slave owning, racist, Native American killer James Madison, the fourth US "President", was an enemy of "democracy" and called on the US government to "protect the minority of the opulent against the majority".  As Karl Marx said we need a dictatorship of the proletariat to liberate the world from the oppression of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie or capitalism which has killed 1.6 Billion people and continues to kill 100 million people every 8 to 12 years worldwide.

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 12:19 AM

Basra that's right.

Iberians (Spanish/Portuguese) and Arabs, were MUCH MORE humane in nature, than the European colonists that took over North American.

The type of slavery that existed in the states was among the most brutal ever faced by mankind.

Arabs and Iberians would intermarry and even give different levels of jobs and opportunities to integrate, even if they come off as cold and stubborn.

But European rulers really came down hard on both the slaves and indigenous people.

Kind of freaky to think that our problems ended in the 1970ies, but some of it still persists today, with the Southern States  being the worst,

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 12:19 AM

View PostBasra, on 17 May 2011 - 11:47 PM, said:

Nice try but you fail!  There was no spread of "Arab" people there was only spread of Arab culture and the Arabic language, a process commonly termed "Arabization" (cultural and linguistic in nature).  The spread of the Arabic language is obvious and goes much with the spread of the religion of Islam (which is part of the cultural "Arabization" of places like North Africa).  This is nothing like what happened with white European "Christians" invading Meso-"America", killing the people, and stealing the land.  You could try to make a case for South America with the Spanish mixing in (i.e. enslaving and raping the indigenous women) but certainly not in the North American context where white Europeans just killed and stole the land and did not mix in any large degree with the Mongoloid Indigenous Native Americans.  For example on just one North African nation, Egypt, read from the scholar Shomarka Omar Yahya Keita (S.O.Y. Keita: http://en.wikipedia....ki/S.O.Y._Keita) who stated regarding the peoples of Ancient Egypt; "it can be imagined that the modern diversity to be found in Egypt in terms of craniofacial features, skin colour, what have you, would likely have been very similar to that found in the past."  Meaning these differences in skin tones in North Africa are natural and part of the natural diversity found on the African continent, not alleged "evidence" of some outside invasion of any kind!  So there was no "Arab" invasion, the people are the same people they have just been culturally and linguistically "Arabized": again unlike many of the indigenous people of Meso-"America" who were killed off in massive genocides.

Some examples of diverse people termed "Arabs" (because there ancestors were culturally and linguistically "Arabized" but they are all still from their Native lands).

Black African Omar al-Bashir of Sudan, who is a black African just like all Sudanese regardless of what they are categorized as because of the language they use as their mother tongue.  There is no such thing as an "Arab" Sudanese person they are all black Africans just compare Omar al-Bashir's skin tone to someone stereotypical thought of as an "Arab" like say Osama bin Laden (http://i.telegraph.c...en_1238702c.jpg) or Saddam Hussein of Iraq (http://www.gwu.edu/~...andshake300.jpg).  Then compare Omar al-Bashir's skin tone to a fellow African leader like say for just one example the leader of the southern African nation of Zambia Rupiah Banda (http://en.wikipedia....ki/Rupiah_Banda) who is black and nobody considers "Arab":  Omar al-Bashir is clearly closer in skin tone and general physical appearance to a fellow African leader like Zambia's non-Arab leader Rupiah Banda then he is to Middle Eastern Arab individuals like Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein.  "Race" itself is a completely unscientific social construct, and "Arab" in particular is not an alleged "race" it is only a culture and most importantly a language.

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Muammar Gaddafi a Libyan person with clear Berber lineage or ancestry (yet he still speaks Arabic and is considered Arab)

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Palestinian Christian writer Anton Shammas, who is a Palestinian Arab (http://en.wikipedia....i/Anton_Shammas)

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I could post many more, different examples but I think these three pictures show my point about the diversity of people commonly termed Arab (who all speak the Arabic language as their mother tongue, albeit usually in different local dialects other than when speaking in or using fusha "classical Arabic" or today's universal Modern Standard Arabic).

Basra, I know alot of people hate on you and are mean, rude and disrespectful towards you, but that is because you come with facts and compelling arguments for anyone who takes the time to read them with an unbiased mind.

You seem to know alot and your arguments are usually compelling and supported by facts and clear logic. The people who attacking you usually do just that, attack you, as an individual, but rarely have I seen them attacking your points. The majority of those who attack you, especially those that try to discredit you by attacking your character/personality, are those that are following there whims and desires . You can see in there previous posts and attitudes towards you, when they can no longer argue with the facts, they will resort to cliché one liner insults or satirical insults. Either way, trying to throw the conversation of and turn it into an insult match.

However, my message to you is keep doing your thing, and I for one am reading your posts and can say I have been opened up to alot of new view points and knowledge from them. And I recommend everyone else to do these same because his posts and rebuttles, are really ones based on facts and basic logic, while the usual suspects who appose him, theres is based on subjectivity and whims and desires .... although at other times these same individuals claim to bare the torch or 'logic' when it comes to other issues/threads. Nothing more then hypocritical movements from a flock who decides to stay in hypocrisy rather then come out and challenge the facts presented without any childish comments and/or admit their defeat.

Keep it up Brother!

Edited by Glow, 18 May 2011 - 12:24 AM.


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Posted 18 May 2011 - 12:22 AM

Basra has my support, and to those people who claim he's racist.

If he's racist, then why does he use sources that are both Islamic and none-Islamic alike?

[EDITED] Marbles should refrain from calling Basra a bigot.

Edited by Basim Ali, 18 May 2011 - 06:36 AM.
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Posted 18 May 2011 - 12:24 AM

View PostGlow, on 18 May 2011 - 12:19 AM, said:

Basra, I know alot of people hate on you and are mean, rude and disrespectful towards you, but that is because you come with facts and compelling arguments for anyone who takes the time to read them with an unbiased mind.

You seem to know alot and your arguments are usually compelling and supported by facts and clear logic. The people who attacking you usually do just that, attack you, as an individual, but rarely have I seen them attacking your points. The majority of those who attack you, especially those that try to discredit you by attacking your character/personality are those that are following there whims and desires . You can see in there previous posts and attitudes towards you when they can no longer argue with the facts they will resort to cliché one liner insults or satirical insults. Either way, trying to throw the conversation of.

However, my message to you is keep doing your thing, and I for one am reading your posts and can say I have been opened up to alot of new view points and knowledge from them. And I recommend everyone else to do these same because his posts and rebuttles, are really ones based on facts and basic logic, while the usual suspects who appose him, theres is based on subjectivity and whims and desires .... although at other times they claim to bare the torch or 'logic' when it comes to other issues/threads. Nothing more then hypocritical movements that from a flock who decides t stay in hypocrisy rather then come out and challenge the facts presented without any childish comments and/or admit their defeat.

Keep it up Brother!

Salamu alaikum, thank you brother!

View PostShiaBen, on 18 May 2011 - 12:22 AM, said:

Basra has my support, and to those people who claim he's racist.

If he's racist, then why does he use sources that are both Islamic and none-Islamic alike?

Idiots like Marbles should refrain from calling Basra a bigot.

Salamu alaikum, thank you very much for your support and kind words brother.
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Posted 18 May 2011 - 12:36 AM

View PostShiaBen, on 18 May 2011 - 12:22 AM, said:

Basra has my support, and to those people who claim he's racist.

If he's racist, then why does he use sources that are both Islamic and none-Islamic alike?
You don't need any specific "sources" to be a racist. In fact you don't need anything to be a racist.

This man you are snuggling up to has clear racist views. Even a blind man can see that.

Birds of a feather flock together.

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[EDITED] Marbles should refrain from calling Basra a bigot.
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View PostGlow, on 17 May 2011 - 10:23 PM, said:

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It has nothing to do with you at all. You don't even know the background. Why don't you keep your nose out for once?

Lay off.

Your name-calling is reported, like your friend's above.

Edited by Basim Ali, 18 May 2011 - 06:44 AM.


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Posted 18 May 2011 - 12:43 AM

View PostShiaBen, on 18 May 2011 - 12:22 AM, said:

Basra has my support, and to those people who claim he's racist.

If he's racist, then why does he use sources that are both Islamic and none-Islamic alike?


His ideas are racist. Many many may agree with his ideas but that does not make him less racist.



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