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#101 Basra

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 08:12 AM

 Irishman, on 19 May 2011 - 07:41 AM, said:

Basra rewriting history again to try and brush any evil Egyptian or Arab history under the carpet. They are not "whites", so only his sources count as valid.

http://www.dignubia....e/bce-1540a.htm

While the Hyskos kings ruled northern Egypt, one of them heard that an Egyptian prince in the south planned to rebel against him. The king then sent a messenger carrying a letter to the king of Kush, asking for help. The letter asked the king of Kush to attack Egypt from the south; the Hyksos king told him he would attack from the north at the same time. Then they would divide up Egypt between them. The Egyptian prince managed to capture the Hyksos messenger with his letter before he reached Kush, so the plan was spoiled. The prince and his sons eventually overthrew the Hyskos kings and reunited Egypt.

The Egyptians then invaded Kush, burned Kerma, and claimed Nubia as an Egyptian province. From about 1450 BCE until 1100 BCE, Egypt ruled Nubia. During this time, the Egyptians explored Nubia for gold and other raw materials. They shipped what they found to Egypt and presented it to the pharaoh in great pageants.


I guess the "Muslim" Moors never attacked and took over large parts of Spain and Portugal. No Muslim invasions of Southern Italy and Sicily etc... Never a massive Persian Empire pre-Islam etc...

Countries and Empires have been on conquests since time began. So us "Whities" have been more successful than you "Brownies" or "Blackies". Well too bad. Get over it!!

S.O.Y. Keita has proven that all the skin tones of Egypt (and Africa as a whole) be it darker black skin, or lighter skin of Berbers or Egyptians commonly termed "Arabs" are all indigenous to the African continent itself.  

"Arabs" never left the Arabian Peninsula and settled in massive amounts anywhere else, people today called "Arab" are mostly just people who were "Arabized" culturally and linguistically.  As for the examples you bring, Muslims were invited to come to Spain as liberators by Jews and Christians opposed the oppressive Spanish Visgothic king Roderic: http://www.hispanicm.../andalusia.html) read bout Julian Count of Ceuta (http://en.wikipedia....ki/Count_Julian).  Also the Moors (who were African Berbers) did not mix in any large amount with European peoples.  The same is true with regards to Portugal, Southern Italy, and Sicily: Berber Muslims from North Africa once ruled them for a short period of time in history but they didn't leave any large genetic stamp on those places.  

The same is true with regards to Persia.  The Persian people mostly were not even "Arabized" as they retained Persian as their main language even after mostly converting to the religion of Islam over a period of centuries.  Even Iranian Arabs themselves are mostly descended from people the pre-Islamic Persian Shah's settled in the land of Persia itself.  The Persian Empire ruled Arab lands like Iraq for long periods of time and many of these Iraqi "Arabs" were once religiously Zoroastrians.

As I have done before let me post a few images of people commonly termed "Arab" to show that there is no such thing as an "Arab" race (race itself is an unscientific social construct) and that people commonly termed "Arab" are only descendants of peoples that had been slowly Arabized over a period of centuries.

Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir (a black African, who speaks Arabic as his mother tongue)
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A Yemeni man (Yemeni's are obviously termed "Arab" and speak the Arabic language as their mother tongue) note this man's skin tone could be compared easily to African people like say Somalis:
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Former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (a Palestinian Arab, Palestinian Arabs descend from the prehistoric people of the land of Canaan aka Palestine the Canaanites as proven in genetic studies done by "Israeli" geneticist Dr. Ariella Oppenheim of Hebrew University in "Israel": http://www.huffingto...7_68780291.html, http://en.wikipedia....genetic_studies)
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and famous Palestinian Christian author and writer Anton Shammas:
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Note that all of these people look like the indigenous people of their regions!  This can especially be seen when we compare a Palestinian Muslim like Yasser Arafat to a Palestinian Christian like Anton Shammas; and notice that they look almost identical despite their religious difference (one being a Muslim and the other being a Christian).  Also Omar al-Bashir looks like other black Africans (not famous people stereotypically brought up as "Arabs" like say the deceased Osama bin Laden of Saudi Arabia/Yemen or the also deceased Saddam Hussein of Iraq).  Another good example I could have posted is Muammar Gaddafi of Libya who clearly has Berber ancestry, but is considered "Arab" because he speaks the Arabic language as his mother tongue: meaning he and his ancestors were culturally and linguistically Arabized over a period of centuries.

Edited by Basra, 19 May 2011 - 08:20 AM.

"Democracy" is a myth used to justify Western imperialist aggressions abroad to steal resources. "Democracy" is a myth that doesn't exist other than direct democracy; which only the ancient Greeks of Athens are suppose to have practiced.  The slave owning, racist, Native American killer James Madison, the fourth US "President", was an enemy of "democracy" and called on the US government to "protect the minority of the opulent against the majority".  As Karl Marx said we need a dictatorship of the proletariat to liberate the world from the oppression of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie or capitalism which has killed 1.6 Billion people and continues to kill 100 million people every 8 to 12 years worldwide.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 08:18 AM

Why are blatant personal attacks been flying around ?  :angry:   I'm really shocked and disgusted.  Is this the quality of discussions on SC ?  No member can keep to the topic thread ? Looks like most ppl here are hardly 18.  :!!!:  And Basra, ShiaBen, Marbles, Maryam, Irishman, all have some serious issues. Otherwise why would grown-up ppl act so silly ?  :mad:
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Posted 19 May 2011 - 09:38 AM

 Yousuf Ahmed, on 19 May 2011 - 08:18 AM, said:

Why are blatant personal attacks been flying around ?  :angry:   I'm really shocked and disgusted.  Is this the quality of discussions on SC ?  No member can keep to the topic thread ? Looks like most ppl here are hardly 18.  :!!!:  And Basra, ShiaBen, Marbles, Maryam, Irishman, all have some serious issues. Otherwise why would grown-up ppl act so silly ?  :mad:
Its true.... :blush:

….. but when you are dealing with revisionist historians whose sole judge of a persons value is based on the colour – even shade - of their skin and with the  follower wannabe who assumes the thick headed “enforcer role” to attack all and sundry,  who have independent thoughts on the matter, with vile personal attacks – you are forced to use strategies that they can understand and phrase things with concrete explicit explanations.  :angel:

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 04:21 PM

 Basra, on 19 May 2011 - 08:12 AM, said:

S.O.Y. Keita has proven that all the skin tones of Egypt (and Africa as a whole) be it darker black skin, or lighter skin of Berbers or Egyptians commonly termed "Arabs" are all indigenous to the African continent itself.  

"Arabs" never left the Arabian Peninsula and settled in massive amounts anywhere else, people today called "Arab" are mostly just people who were "Arabized" culturally and linguistically.  As for the examples you bring, Muslims were invited to come to Spain as liberators by Jews and Christians opposed the oppressive Spanish Visgothic king Roderic: http://www.hispanicm.../andalusia.html) read bout Julian Count of Ceuta (http://en.wikipedia....ki/Count_Julian).  Also the Moors (who were African Berbers) did not mix in any large amount with European peoples.  The same is true with regards to Portugal, Southern Italy, and Sicily: Berber Muslims from North Africa once ruled them for a short period of time in history but they didn't leave any large genetic stamp on those places.  

The same is true with regards to Persia.  The Persian people mostly were not even "Arabized" as they retained Persian as their main language even after mostly converting to the religion of Islam over a period of centuries.  Even Iranian Arabs themselves are mostly descended from people the pre-Islamic Persian Shah's settled in the land of Persia itself.  The Persian Empire ruled Arab lands like Iraq for long periods of time and many of these Iraqi "Arabs" were once religiously Zoroastrians.

As I have done before let me post a few images of people commonly termed "Arab" to show that there is no such thing as an "Arab" race (race itself is an unscientific social construct) and that people commonly termed "Arab" are only descendants of peoples that had been slowly Arabized over a period of centuries.

Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir (a black African, who speaks Arabic as his mother tongue)
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A Yemeni man (Yemeni's are obviously termed "Arab" and speak the Arabic language as their mother tongue) note this man's skin tone could be compared easily to African people like say Somalis:
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Former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (a Palestinian Arab, Palestinian Arabs descend from the prehistoric people of the land of Canaan aka Palestine the Canaanites as proven in genetic studies done by "Israeli" geneticist Dr. Ariella Oppenheim of Hebrew University in "Israel": http://www.huffingto...7_68780291.html, http://en.wikipedia....genetic_studies)
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and famous Palestinian Christian author and writer Anton Shammas:
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Note that all of these people look like the indigenous people of their regions!  This can especially be seen when we compare a Palestinian Muslim like Yasser Arafat to a Palestinian Christian like Anton Shammas; and notice that they look almost identical despite their religious difference (one being a Muslim and the other being a Christian).  Also Omar al-Bashir looks like other black Africans (not famous people stereotypically brought up as "Arabs" like say the deceased Osama bin Laden of Saudi Arabia/Yemen or the also deceased Saddam Hussein of Iraq).  Another good example I could have posted is Muammar Gaddafi of Libya who clearly has Berber ancestry, but is considered "Arab" because he speaks the Arabic language as his mother tongue: meaning he and his ancestors were culturally and linguistically Arabized over a period of centuries.



WHO THE HELL CARES, GO START YOUR OWN THREAD!

 Maryaam, on 19 May 2011 - 09:38 AM, said:

Its true.... :blush:

….. but when you are dealing with revisionist historians whose sole judge of a persons value is based on the colour – even shade - of their skin and with the  follower wannabe who assumes the thick headed "enforcer role" to attack all and sundry,  who have independent thoughts on the matter, with vile personal attacks – you are forced to use strategies that they can understand and phrase things with concrete explicit explanations.  :angel:


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Posted 19 May 2011 - 04:31 PM

Irishman, the Nubians today are heavily integrated into Egyptian society.

I believe the current military head is actually an Egyptian of Nubian descent.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 11:24 PM

Read the news below and figure out for yourself why America and Pakistan would go to war when the army itself invites drone attacks...Posted Image


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KARACHI: Secret internal American government cables, accessed by Dawn through WikiLeaks, provide confirmation that the US military’s drone strikes programme within Pakistan had more than just tacit acceptance of the country’s top military brass, despite public posturing to the contrary. In fact, as long ago as January 2008, the country’s military was requesting the US for greater drone back-up for its own military operations.


In a meeting on January 22, 2008 with US CENTCOM Commander Admiral William J. Fallon, Army Chief General Ashfaq Kayani requested the Americans to provide “continuous Predator coverage of the conflict area” in South Waziristan where the army was conducting operations against militants. The request is detailed in a‘Secret’ cable sent by then US Ambassador Anne Patterson on February 11, 2008. Pakistan’s military has consistently denied any involvement in the covert programme run mainly by the CIA.


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Posted 20 May 2011 - 09:12 AM

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The Army high command is nowdays behaving like a B-Team. :shaytan:

These people are like tarbooz (watermelon)...one colour on the outside, a different colour on the inside.

 Maryaam, on 19 May 2011 - 09:38 AM, said:

Its true.... :blush:

….. but when you are dealing with revisionist historians whose sole judge of a persons value is based on the colour – even shade - of their skin and with the  follower wannabe who assumes the thick headed “enforcer role” to attack all and sundry,  who have independent thoughts on the matter, with vile personal attacks – you are forced to use strategies that they can understand and phrase things with concrete explicit explanations.  :angel:

Qs. 1 - Are u a student/expert of history ?
Qs. 2 - What is a "revisionist" historian ?

As faras I know "revisionism" is used in the MARXIST CONTEXT.

Edited by Yousuf Ahmed, 20 May 2011 - 09:11 AM.

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 03:02 AM

hahhah a  pak  and US war
thats not beyond thinking but its not that tooo absurd as wwelll

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 04:16 AM

This is like the worst thread ever.
The Pakistani military leadership will not goto war with america since they're totally dependent on American money. Its America thats been giving them loads of money since the 50s and continues to do so today. They're addicted to American handouts. Its just that today now that they have nukes and noew they have evolved from being beggars to being EXTORTIONISTS like North Korea. They force the world to give them money by keeping the country and the neighboring region a state of chaos and agony,
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Posted 23 May 2011 - 08:44 AM

(bismillah)

The Pakistani Military is dependent on USA for much of its weaponry. Even if it starts a War, it can't sustian it for long because it will again have to call on the US' door for spare parts..  And Pakistan currently does not have the financial heft to sustain a conventional War.
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Posted 19 September 2011 - 03:38 AM

 JimJam, on 22 May 2011 - 04:16 AM, said:

This is like the worst thread ever.
The Pakistani military leadership will not goto war with america since they're totally dependent on American money. Its America thats been giving them loads of money since the 50s and continues to do so today. They're addicted to American handouts. Its just that today now that they have nukes and noew they have evolved from being beggars to being EXTORTIONISTS like North Korea. They force the world to give them money by keeping the country and the neighboring region a state of chaos and agony,


yeah...they wont go to war coz they 've to stay in Pakistan to watch China;s action...

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 01:53 PM

that is next to impossible

they never would go to war

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 02:18 PM

ohh i want to see that when its going to start

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:25 PM

I think the original poster wanted to know if iran would lift a finger to help pakistan or not.


Iranians never reciprocated our favors. they did not share info on the US drones but got our centrifuge.



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