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[Dawud1UK]

If you have any specific questions regarding jinns brother then I'd be glad to help. I have myself researched into this topic and find it fascinating .

[Your-Best-Friend]

QURAAN & JINNS:

And I (Allaah) created not the jinns and humans, except they should worship Me (Alone). [al-Dhaariyaat 51:56]

O assembly of jinns and mankind! Did there not come to you Messengers from amongst you, reciting unto you My Verses? [al-An'aam 6:130]

Verily he [Shaytaan] and his qabeeluhu [his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe] see you from where you cannot see them. [al-A'raaf 7:27]

And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame o fire. [al-Hijr 15:27]

And the jinns did He create from a smokeless flame of fire. [al-Rahmaan 55:15]
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Maula RasoolAllaah SAWAW said:
The jinn are of three types:
1) Tthat has wings and they fly through the air
2) That looks like snakes and dogs
3) That stops for a rest then resumes its journey.
References: Al-Tahhaawi in Mushkil Al-Athaar, 4/95 / Al-Tabaraani in Al-Kabeer, 22/214 / Shaykh Al-Albaani in Al-Mishkaat 2/1206, no. 4148
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http://getrideviljin...n.blogspot.com/

[Inception]

Dawud1UK, on 15 February 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

Salam brother, this is a really interesting topic for me aswell .

Jinns are around us and have been since before our existence. Jinn possessions do occur. Individuals who suffer from schizophrenia and other disorders are said to be possessed by jinns.

One thing to consider is that black magic is closely related to jinns. In the way that if sorcery is used it usually often involves the use of jinns to carry out the "dirty" work. Such as ordering a jinn to possess someone, to cause harm to someone or to scare someone.

Here is a really good E-Book to read, I've read it myself including tonnes of online posts and also through talking with people I know.

http://www.kalamulla.../JinnDevils.pdf

@0feedmeplz
My view on why they happen in uneducated societies, is because uneducated societies tend to be rural areas. So therefore if we take for instance a area that has a lot of open space, it may have a small population. So therefore there are more likely to be jinn among them. Jinns are more likely to reside in rural areas and areas of small population. Also taking into account that societies that are uneducated and superstitious could mean that they are highly religious instead. Now the unbelieving jinn for some reason would possess or disturb the people with faith in God.

I can't tell you why they do it. However they just do. Among the jinn are those that believe in God and those that don't. Just like us humans some of us believe in God and some of us don't. Now we also have a lot of criminals and individuals who carry out black magic i.e. contact with the "outside" world with jinns etc. This has been forbidden by God. Therefore for this same reason jinn also deviate and they have the ability to possess us appear to us and scare us etc.

Salaam aleykom

first, are you calling me brother?? if yes, sorry, I'm a girl

and thanx alot for the link, really interesting, I will read it inshallah

and about that jinns dont believe, I also wonder why they dont, it should be easier for them..we have limited 5 senses, but for them, if they see us, if thier world is different it's probably more evidence of the existence of Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì..no??

many thanx

[Dawud1UK]

@Inception
I am terribly sorry sister, I often get confused with names :/.

Well not really "easier" for them to believe. They live in the same world as we do, on this earth. Except that what I've read we are not able to see them in their true form (as apparently it is truly unbearable), but they can see us, unless they were to "shape-shift" into a different form. Although we can hear them. However nevertheless as I said earlier they are similar to us in terms of the way we live, yet many of us don't believe in God.

Also the jinn where sent prophets as well I'm not sure whether they were sent the same "human" prophets as we received or others, however apparently they too had their prophets.

[Pickthal 6:130] O ye assembly of the jinn and humankind! Came there not unto you messengers of your own who recounted unto you My tokens and warned you of the meeting of this your Day? They will say: We testify against ourselves. And the life of the world beguiled them. And they testify against themselves that they were disbelievers.
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 6:130]
Aqa Mahdi Puya says:
Minkum (from among you) indicates that messengers of Allah had also been sent to the jinn (a separate people) because the Quran says: "We have sent a guide to every people." As man is superior to all the created beings the messengers sent to the jinn must have worked under the human-prophets, but the Holy Prophet was the sole guide for all the created beings, men, jinn and angels, and for this reason the jinn have been addressed in the Quran - Ahqaf : 29; Rahman : 33; Jinn : 1.

This could explain the same reasons why there are jinns who believe and don't as its a similar scenario to us humans?

[Dawud1UK]

To add another reason being, that jinn and us humans have free choice, they again live like we do. So it is up to us and up to them whether they believe in God or not. We and the jinns have been created for a purpose.

Hope that helps sister .

[Waiting for HIM]

http://www.shiachat....y/#entry2346966

Here's a thread that I started long time ago of why not to be over curious about jins. Leave them alone and use your energies for the knowledge of self and for Allah and you will gain a whole lot more.

[Inception]

Salam aleykom

@dawud
thanks alot brother..and it's ok..I don't expect the word inception to be feminine...

you are saying they have free choice..ok. but still I think it should be easier for them to "believe" because they can see us, the y can see another "dimension" if you like to call it, that doesnt have the same ability...so this per se is a strong evidence that there is a Creator..isn't it??

and yes, I know Allah (swt) sent prophets even for them, they have thier owns, but even our prophets can have among thier responsiblities to guide jinns..

it's still questioned IF there is and WHY there is this interaction between the two worlds?? it's harmful for both of us, apparently. I mean jinns obsession , if it's true, totally uncool, really scary..and if we can trap jinns in stones, and they do what we want them to do??? that's also unethical!!

what is true and what is not true, you think??

@waiting for him
thanks brother for the link..and I see what you mean

but first, alhamdlillah, I'm curious... not obsessed..it's like you ask how does rain happen (if you haven't learn it in school as to say)..then you get an explanation..then you say, oh..so it's not poseidon sending us greetings.. or something..then I'm cool, I don't need to think about it anymore..

and knowledge prevents superstition..honestly, all these stories we hear, and micheal jackson's spirit here or there...this is lack of knowledge..
knowledge makes you aware, enlightened (if there is a wisdom in things)..and you will not be scared of them..and your fear will not cause you paralysis instead of reciting Ayat elKursi when you feel scared...because you know about them and understand what is possible and what is not..what is haraam to believe and what is ok to know or ask..I mean why Allah (swt) mention them in Quran?? so that we know, but it's haram to interfere in thier world....

like sihr (magic/sorcery)...Allah (swt) mention it and tell us its haram, and He also sent angels to teach us that..so Allah (swt) gave us the information and knowledge to test us..so we should knwo and avoid..not know and go for it...

"Ignorance creates superstition and thereby we will be slaves to our own ignorance.." M.E.

thanx
cheers

[hasanhh]

fjawad25, on 11 April 2011 - 08:12 AM, said:

Salam


Demon Possession is it Real or Just a Mental Disorder  - Can some tell me...


Thanks

Demonic Power and hence "possession" are a christian fantasy --but not all christians believe in possession even in some seminaries.
And, as the Quran reveals, the prophets(as) were also accussed by the heathens of being possessed.
There is no power except Allah(swt)

What they call 'possession' only reflects a lack of medical knowledge.

[ShiaPoet]

Salam

You know, just for security reasons I want to say "No".

I don't want you to go out looking for demons and find yourself in a wooden hut with weird snake-like creatures curling around you...
and an old man with a large stick wearing red robes and a bat on his shoulder.

No

Rather than listen to some people here on the forum I would go to the Qur'an which has True information.

Read Surah "Jinn". it is number 72
Read surah Rahman.
Read Surah Falaq which is number 113.

[Son of Placid]

hasanhh, on 21 February 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

Demonic Power and hence "possession" are a christian fantasy --but not all christians believe in possession even in some seminaries. And, as the Quran reveals, the prophets(as) were also accussed by the heathens of being possessed. There is no power except Allah(swt) What they call 'possession' only reflects a lack of medical knowledge.

I wouldn't be so quick to call it a Christian fantasy.

Saying there is no power except Allah is like saying there is no light except the sun.

I know for a fact it's more than a lack of medical knowledge. To see a woman go from ranting, raving, and beating her husband to sitting quiet and wondering what just happened took prayer not drugs.

[ShiaPoet]

Son of Placid, on 04 March 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Saying there is no power except Allah is like saying there is no light except the sun.

Salam

It would be better if 'there is no power except Allah' would be processed to 'there is no power except from Allah.'

Wassalam

[Quranist]

90% of cases are mental disorders

but hey jinns does exits and quraan speaks about them.....so there are chances that some people get in there possession,specially those who are unaware of islaamic duties and avoids worship of GOD.

[akenfield]

Is it possible that a person who knows of God/Allah and yet is totally committed to evil is possessed? I am not talking about a person who rants and raves incoherently, but one who possibly commits murder without feeling or remorse, like a contract hit man or the like.

[Alejandro Sosa]

In all honesty, all the stories I hear about jinn possession tend to be from Indo-pak people..often village dwelling peop;e..make of that what you will

[Al-Mufeed]

The belief that a jinn enters in to the body of a human being and takes over all of his faculties and controls him in the way that is depicted here are ancient superstitious beliefs that arabs (and other cultures had) its even reflected in the arabic language "majnoon" - the word for insanity - its rooted in "jinn possession" - If the hadeeths and ayas of the quran are examined logically one will find that jinns can effect human beings, but so can other humans and various environmental factors. For example its possible that a human being through various actions can cause another human being to become sick, misguided as well as insane. Yet no one claims that the person has "taken over" the other person, and taken away their faculties. Jinn is a similar case - except that they are not (usually) seen by us. They can have effects on us through various means - but the idea that they enter your body through your ears or something similar and take over control is rooted in superstition. Its obvious the people in these stories (if they are even true) suffer from various mental issues - which may have been caused by a plethora of various environmental factors - including factors that were set in motion by the mischief of both men and jinn, dont forget that a human can be among the shayateen as well.

[Ya Aba 3abdillah]

Allah (swt) didn't give jinns or 'spirits' the ability to posses humans or their consciousness, and as stated above, there is no religious foundation to such claims.

[Al-Mufeed]

akenfield, on 06 March 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

Is it possible that a person who knows of God/Allah and yet is totally committed to evil is possessed? I am not talking about a person who rants and raves incoherently, but one who possibly commits murder without feeling or remorse, like a contract hit man or the like.

Yes they are possessed - but not in the way you are thinking.

People who have gone deep in to sin and misguidance are possessed by the desires and weaknesses of their own soul, they have let them selves be totally driven by desires and the whispers of shaytan and the speech/promises of evil human beings.

In that sense they are completely "possessed"

[akenfield]

Al-Mufeed, on 06 March 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

Yes they are possessed - but not in the way you are thinking.

People who have gone deep in to sin and misguidance are possessed by the desires and weaknesses of their own soul, they have let them selves be totally driven by desires and the whispers of shaytan and the speech/promises of evil human beings.

In that sense they are completely "possessed"

Excellent point, Al Mufeed. You place responsibility back upon the person and allow for the exercise of free will against the influence of Shaytan.

Ya Aba 3abdillah, on 06 March 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Allah (swt) didn't give jinns or 'spirits' the ability to posses humans or their consciousness, and as stated above, there is no religious foundation to such claims.

So, are jinns the same as the "minions" of Satan, as some Christians believe, or are they hapless spirits that wander about making nuisances of themselves? Or both?

[Jihadi]

Asalam Alaikum

one of my ants that lives in mid southern mexico is possesed or inflicted with black magic she is a catholic and before she was a good girl then at the age of 18 it started happening she started seeing a tall man in from of her bedroom with red eyes, death owls falling on her lap while at the plasa with friends and many other strange animals seeing by the family inside the house, once my mom told me she would see fire balls , and once she said that with the knowledge that Allah swt has giving me i know now that those were jinns, So guys i ask you to do dua for my chuya (chooyaa)  she is now 40 yrs old and is still under demonic possesion or spells since she was only 17 or 18 , this is serious and not just any tale or movie, May Allah swt releave her inshallah  from the evil of shaitan.

[AlHamdulillah110]

ive often wondered this myself but ive recently come across a theory which makes sense to me.

Allah (swt) has created man the best of His creation, and jinns (or demons according to the Bible) are made lower than us, which is why shaytaan had to bow down to Prophet Adam . They also have free will which is why shaytaan refused to obey his orders from Allah سبحانه وتعالى.

When a human being lowers themselves spiritually and morally they become the same levels or lower than jinns, basically they're not living up to their abilities as human beings and muslims. When this happens, it becomes easier to tempt them and influence them.
I dont think a jinn can possess a human being by entering them, but maybe they can influence a mind that is already weak (which is kinda what shaytaan does anyway).

Then again, some people believe that people doing witchcraft use jinns to harm people or get what they want from people by offering them a sacrifice (you can see this in Disney movies like Aladdin, little mermaid) and so people think that they can use those jinns to 'possess' (or influence) others. AlHamdulillah i havent come across any possessions, although i have encountered some paranormal activity...

Edited by AlHamdulillah110, 13 March 2012 - 10:52 AM.

[hasanhh]

Assalamallikum,

Islam does not teach that there are "demons".

What you imagine about "possession" is like anorexia miriablis -> when in Europe's Mid-Evil   times women starved themselves to death for "god". A serious, psychiatric disturbance.

What Islam teaches is that a shatan can only suggest "from a place you cannot see" (id est behind you). It can only talk but nothing else.

Christians --the evilgelical variety- need "demonic power" for several reasons. To include: exlaining disease; explain mental illness or incapacity/diminished capacity; and to pretend that a demon has "power" : then when a satan says 'son of god' in the New Testament then that implies 'authority' and 'knowledge' <-but you have to ignore Gospel of John Chapter 8 to pretend this (where Isa(as) teaches the Shatan is a liar and the "father of lies".

So if your bed starts shaking at night, it must be a 'planetoid disturbance', as the Trekkies say. (If you saw the movie)

[Aryana]

ImAli, on 20 November 2011 - 10:10 AM, said:

I think I told you before about the place we used to live. Something would play with my hair while I was sleeping and when I would try to get up I couldn't move.....once I even seen swirls of smoke from the corner of my eye, scared me to death. Another time I was sleeping on the sofa and I woke up with something trying to suck all of the air out of my mouth, I jumped up, the thing ran (it was very thin and lightening fast).....I was sitting up and my eyes focused to the hallway, it peeked quickly around the corner then left.....I SAW IT! Things like this happened  more than once but these were the most memorable, and it was all in the same house.....NO IT WASN'T sleep paralysis. After we moved it never happened again....so I am convinced something was in that house and it liked to pick on me. It never managed to possess me.....and do I think sorcery was involved....no I don't think so.

WTH?? This thread is going to give me nightmares. I'm never sleeping on my own again.

[ZaqiYumani]

when every one has to wear nike or addidass its called possetion... otherwise they would be 3 2 do what they wanted, dispite whose name is on it...

and when we go crazy in sin, we are possed....

when to people have a row...

but you can get possesed by the holy spirit, for a good cause,

or like ever evolving kung fu --- Imam Ali still teaches v good kung fu...

[Aliaabbas]

I think us as Muslims are sometimes too quick to assume demonic possession, rather than say mental illness. When I worked in the mental health wards observing schizophrenics I found that with the right medication those who hallucinated and claimed that they were possessed soon became a lot better after treatment.

Surely schizophrenic/ anti psychotic drugs would not have an affect on jinn??

[Noah107]

Aliaabbas, on 18 May 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

I think us as Muslims are sometimes too quick to assume demonic possession, rather than say mental illness. When I worked in the mental health wards observing schizophrenics I found that with the right medication those who hallucinated and claimed that they were possessed soon became a lot better after treatment.

Surely schizophrenic/ anti psychotic drugs would not have an affect on jinn??

well actually, Exorcists  explain that when a human is influenced by jinn for whatever reason be it sorcery or whatever, the witch doctor will send his enslaved jinn to the victim and have it carry out certain tasks(depending on the wishlist of the person employing the witch doctor).  Now everything in the  human is controlled by the brain. so if that enslaved jinns job is to make the victim hear/see things/ become suicidal/depressed/angry then the jinn presses the right nerves/cells in the victims brain associated with the desired effects it is after!    so the jinn can then affect the human by effecting the victims brain. in doing so the jinn has either made the brain alter its pattern  through stimulation of certain liquids, suppression of certain glands and altered brain chemistry.
...so then medication ofcourse  will be able to put that imbalance straight again no doubt about that.... BUT only for a limited time as the enslaved jinn will return to keep doing his job (whatever that is). THAT is why schizophrenics will have to stay on the medication for life and as soon as they stop taking it the jinn will alter their brain again.
I agree with others other here. very rarely will a jinn be doing these things independently because they have families etc and very busy in their own lives. It is only enslaved ones who carry out the orders of witch doctors. so yes you get humans who are shaytans themselves for doing this kind of things and we blame the enslaved jinn.
if you visit http://www.jinndemons.com/  it tells u alot about this kind of thing.