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[LostK]

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Five Jewish settlers killed in their home by Palestinian, Israeli army says

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By Janine Zacharia
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, March 12, 2011; 11:46 AM

JERUSALEM - Five Israelis from the West Bank settlement of Itamar were killed by a Palestinian infiltrator early Saturday in the first deadly attack on settlers in months, the Israeli army said.

"We suffered a horrific terror attack tonight," Maj. Gen. Avi Mizrahi, head of Israel's Central Command, told reporters early Saturday. "An innocent family -- a father, a mother and three of their children -- were murdered in the middle of the night by despicable terrorists. Rest assured, we are on a hunt after those responsible, and we will find them."

Since the circumstances of the attack were still under investigation, the army declined to release more details. But Israeli media reported that the family members were stabbed to death by a Palestinian who broke into the family's home around 1 a.m.

The Israeli daily Ha'aretz, citing a preliminary investigation, reported that the children killed were ages 11, 3 and a 3-month-old baby. The newspaper also said that another 12-year-old daughter and two of her younger brothers managed to escape.

The attack shattered a relative calm that had prevailed in the West Bank in recent months as Palestinian security forces assert greater control in the territories where they are allowed by Israel to operate and as Israeli and Palestinians forces coordinate security efforts.
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Last August, four Jewish settlers were killed in a drive-by shooting in the West Bank.

Itamar, a settlement of religiously observant Jews, is located in the northern part of the West Bank near the Palestinian city of Nablus.

http://www.washingto...1031201217.html

I am not a fan of Israel nor the settlers, but this is a despicable act. I want to see if people here have the stomach to condemn this disgusting murder. If not, then I guess it's perfectly okay to kill children if they are of a different faith.

[.K.A.R.R.A.R.]

i dont give a damn.

israelis should know its painful when ur children r killed

Edited by .K.A.R.R.A.R., 12 March 2011 - 05:33 PM.

[LostK]

.K.A.R.R.A.R., on 12 March 2011 - 05:33 PM, said:

i dont give a damn.

israelis should know its painful when ur children r killed

So what is the crime of the children?

[S.hassan]

shouldnt they investigate what led this men to kill them? Maybe the family did something to his family or him?
1 family killing in Israel vs 100s of family killed in palestine

[LostK]

S.hassan, on 12 March 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:

shouldnt they investigate what led this men to kill them? Maybe the family did something to his family or him?
1 family killing in Israel vs 100s of family killed in palestine

Kinda of like 10 Muslim families killed in Iraq vs tens of thousands of Christian families murdered in Iraq by fanatics motivated by Islam?

[S.hassan]

LostK, on 12 March 2011 - 05:39 PM, said:

Kinda of like 10 Muslim families killed in Iraq vs tens of thousands of Christian families murdered in Iraq by fanatics motivated by Islam?

no kind of like millions of afghan and iraqis killed vs few christain family killed
if u are talking about sadaam rule
1000s shia killed vs non muslim killed during his regime.

[Livindesert]

How about no one gets killed...

http://www.icahd.org/

[Blissful]

LostK, on 12 March 2011 - 04:19 PM, said:

http://www.washingto...1031201217.html

I am not a fan of Israel nor the settlers, but this is a despicable act. I want to see if people here have the stomach to condemn this disgusting murder. If not, then I guess it's perfectly okay to kill children if they are of a different faith.

Condemn this disgusting murder? Are you serious? The world should condemn what's happening to these Palestinian families everyday before this puny murder is noticed. But no, the media obviously covers everything and when one Israeli is killed, they become drama queens and call us barbaric.

[zeinabiyya]

LostK, on 12 March 2011 - 04:19 PM, said:

http://www.washingto...1031201217.html

I am not a fan of Israel nor the settlers, but this is a despicable act. I want to see if people here have the stomach to condemn this disgusting murder. If not, then I guess it's perfectly okay to kill children if they are of a different faith.

Settlers are fair game. Not the kids, but the fact that they're settlers means they're doing something despicable, illegal, and are pretty much publicizing an act of war. The Palestinians then have every right to retaliate and defend themselves. Give me a damn break. Settlers are fair game.

[Noah-]

.K.A.R.R.A.R., on 12 March 2011 - 05:33 PM, said:

i dont give a damn.

israelis should know its painful when ur children r killed

Bro take it easy. This guy been here only for few days and already had fights with more than 10 people. He aims to provoke people (Muslims) against the West and non-Muslims. These kinds of ppl have the same mentality as Zionist mafia who only work and enjoy for 'destruction of the earthly life' and creating tension between people of different faiths and races. He categorizes all government-civilians-innocents-criminals of this side of the world and that side of the world as one and mixes all and everything... We should follow our moral standards even if we see ppl like this guy. The best way is to ignore this guy and hope members would not respond to his posts anymore.

[Jay]

.K.A.R.R.A.R., on 12 March 2011 - 05:33 PM, said:

i dont give a damn.

israelis should know its painful when ur children r killed

2 wrongs don't make a right. I for one am completely against any kind of unjust killing, whether he was Jewish, Christian, and especially Muslim. A Muslim killing 1 Jew is worse to me than a Jew killing 1000 Muslims. Islam is a beautiful faith. If a person of that faith represents it through violence, how do you think the world will respond? It's already bad as is. Muslims dying is bad, but they go to Allah (swt) as Shuhada' who experienced oppression. They are better off dead and with their Lord than oppressed by evil tyrants. It's sadder to see a Muslim kill Jew than a Jew kill a Muslim. It's like seeing a criminal kill your family. You become sad, but just how sad would you be when that criminal is your brother?

[shiasoldier786]

Killing children is inexcusable, but heartlessness begets heartlessness.

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Israeli authorities suspect that the killings, the deadliest attack inside a settlement in several years, were either a strike by Palestinian militants or a revenge attack by residents of the West Bank village of Awarta, where two Palestinian teenagers were shot to death a year ago as they collected garbage near Itamar.

In recent weeks, Palestinians have accused settlers in the area of chopping down hundreds of olive trees, burning Palestinians' cars and shooting at villagers. Last week, Israeli soldiers were accused of using live gunfire to quell one clash, injuring 10 Palestinians and one settler.

http://www.latimes.c...0,3329690.story

But hey, if we condemn people on account of the number of children they have killed, the Zionists would win hands down!

Edited by shiasoldier786, 12 March 2011 - 06:51 PM.

[satyaban]

Muslims carried out their terrorist acts of 9/11 for Islam shouting "Allah Akbar", Muslims are killing Americans in Afghanistan and Muslims are happy for it. Therefore it is good to kill Muslim men, women, and children. Have I got the logic right?

[zainabia]

Dear brothers and sisters,

The times have changed. We have to understand the things according to conditions of Present century. Following points are very important.

1. In earlier centuries, there were no rules or regulations or Pacts to how to deal with nations that you have conquered. Kuffar used to kill Muslims if they conquer them and in answer to this Muslims were also forced to Kill them or to make them slaves. Had Muslims not done it, then Kuffar would have no fear and their Fitna would have spread and killed all Muslims.

2. But today conditions are different. These conditions may still be far away from being Perfect, but still they are Different and no one could deny it.

3. Today we are living under the pacts and treaties which are made under UNO charter. More or less, but we have to follow it's rules. PACTs have very importance in religion of Islam. Our religion teaches us to hold our promises and pacts and Treaty of Hudaybiah is an example for us.

4. I know Israel is worst and it is killing thousands of innocentPalestinian people including their children and it is totally false, but still according to present PACT, it is not allowed to kill innocent children in name of retalliation.

5. We may argue that after crimes of Israel, this Pact has become void. But it this statement is only Partially TRUE. This pact has not become void all together. If we say this pact has become totally void, then it means we have returned to the dark ages where the Conquerer (like Chengiz Khan) got all the rights to kill each and every person and fill whole city and country full of blood.

6. It is a hard reality, but we could not deny that Isreal (along with West) is conquerer at moment.  Israel has broken  the pact, but still it is not in "Totality" otherwise it would have started killing all the palestinian.

7. And we must realize if Israel breaches the condition of this pact, then answer should come from Muslim State (/States) and not the INDIVIDUALS (like this palestinian did by killing children). Jihad is the duty and right of a State and not an individual.

8. There are some UN rules, which go in our favour, like giving right to people (even individuals) to fight for their land. This is same as Hizbullah did for it's land and thus UN was unable to declare them a terrorist party. But Hizbullah also accepts and follows the rules and regulations of UNO. Hizbullah don't endorse "Suicide" bombings upon civilians of Iseal (although there is no difference between normal civilians of Isreal and settlers, while both are illegal). During war Hizbullah had to come out of this statement that they are not targeting the civilians of Israel but only army (although both civilians and army of Isreal are equally illegal).
Bottom line is, more or less, but Hizbullah had to ACCEPT and Follow the UN rules and regulations.

9. And Israel is though criminal and breaching the pact, but again bottom line is that more or less, but Israel also had to ACCEPT and FOLLOW the UN rules and regulation.

10. Now imagine that you claim that "Whole Pact" has become void and Palestinans have got the right to kill Israelies where ever they find them.

What will happen by going through your suggested way (i.e. to kill the opponent when ever and where ever and who ever you find)?

The answer is, your theory will provide Isreal too with chance to kill all Palestinians and Hizbullah civilians. ( I know that Israel is already doing it, but you have to accept it that Israel could not do it openly. But if your theory has to be followed, then it will give Israel with open licence to kill and Muslim casualities will be thousands of times more than today. Therefore you could see how dangerous your theory could prove for Muslim Interests and their lives.

11. According to present conditions and situations, it is absolutely not in interests of Muslims to encourage the "Suicide" bombings upon civilians of Israel (or killing their children). You could not make the excuse that UN pact has become totally void, otherwise Israel is in position of inflicting thousand time more damage to you.

The Solution according to Conditions of Present Century

1. The best solution would have been that Muslim States had defeated Israel.

2. Since we are weak and Muslim states or civilians of Palestine could not defeat the Israel through usage of "Power", then we have been left with the choice to fight Isreal with in the limits of UN charter which gives right to oppressed people to fight the Army (and not civilians) of enemy. It is the case what Hizbullah is doing.

3. Palestinians should thus allowed only to target the Israeli Army, but in no way they should make suicide bombing against civilians of Israel halal for them and also not killing the settlers of their children. It is not in our interests while at end it will bring only more destruction upon us and even the world loose sympathy with innocent killed people of our side. This will give Israeli army the right to Licence to kill our innocent people whom we are unable to denfend at moment.

4. Patience.
We are opressed due to our weaknesses. First try hard to remove these weaknesses and become strong and till that time show a lot of patience.

Unfortunately, there is no other solution possible other that this. We need not to become emotional and thus making wrong emotional decisions. We have full right to show our miseries to the world and get sympathy, but in no way we should encourage suicide bombing upon Civilians of Israel.

We demand Israel to not to kill our Civilians, but same thing we should do ourselves too and don't hit their civilian population intentionally in forms of suicide bombings.

I know this theory of accepting and following "More of Less" the rules of regulations of UN Charter is difficult one to understand and you may not fully agree with it. Nevertheless, there is no way out of this problem at moment.

[hameedeh]

First of all, it is horrible that the children were murdered. Second, they don't know who did this crime so why are they speculating? The OP news story was incorrect. One sentence said the home invasion was by two or more people: "terrorists...we are on a hunt after those responsible." Another sentence said  "a Palestinian...broke into the family's home." They can't get the story straight. Who said it was a Palestinian? It could have been another settler who had some problem with the family! I am amazed at this accusation with no proof. Whenever a settler commits a crime, the headline tries to hide the fact. I remember when settlers ran over and killed a Palestinian child, the news story said "Palestinian crushed by jeep" instead of saying an Israeli driver killed a Palestinian!

Edited by Hameedeh, 13 March 2011 - 03:47 AM.

[Stefan]

Blissful, on 12 March 2011 - 05:54 PM, said:

Condemn this disgusting murder? Are you serious? The world should condemn what's happening to these Palestinian families everyday before this puny murder is noticed.

It does.
"The United States on Friday vetoed a resolution that received 14 votes in favour from the UN Security Council's 15 members, effectively killing the demand by Arab and Muslim countries to brand Israeli settlements "illegal.""
"The draft, which was supported by 130 countries including Europeans, had called for the Security Council to declare that "Israeli settlements established in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, are illegal and constitute a major obstacle to the achievement of a just, lasting and comprehensive peace."
The draft said that Israel - "the occupying power" - should immediately and completely cease all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem.
It was the first US veto since 2006 and the first under President Barack Obama, which had tried to convince Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to withdraw the draft and accept a compromise in order to avoid the US veto"

http://www.earthtime...resolution.html

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But no, the media obviously covers everything and when one Israeli is killed, they become drama queens and call us barbaric.

The media is doing a fine job, otherwise we wouldn't have 130 countries in the world supporting a UN resolution against Israel.
I could even say that al-Jazeera is obsessed with the palestinian issue.

[LostK]

I bet you the same people cheering over this have no problem with American kids dying at the hands of Muslims, since hatred of Americans is widespread here. Even those that live in the U.S. on here don't care if American kaffir kids are killed since they are not innocent according to the logic of many on here.

[Saintly_Jinn23]

Honestly, as an American citizen and a Muslim, I must say that I'm more worried that Israeli settlers will use this as an excuse to retaliate.

To the poster of this topic, most of these settlers from what I've seen are bigoted, over zealous, scumbags, even their children are rude or cruel to not only Palestinians but also Americans. I do not believe that the children deserved to die, nor even the parents, because I don't know if the parents did anything and children aren't really a threat most of the time. I just think compared to some of the atrocities Israel commits to the Palestinians as well as its own citizens, this is tame. And I'm honestly sick and tired  of every time some Palestinian gets crazy and pissed off, everybody weeps for Israel and attacks Islam, but when Jews in Israel commit despicable acts, people turn a blind eye. I'm also sick of how so many Christians support Israel and bring up all these cases of persecution in the Middle East of Christians, but are completely unaware of the poor treatment of Christians and (Yeshua) Messianic Jews in Israel. And when they do become aware, they don't blame Judaism or all of Israel, but when a Palestinian or Egyptian Muslim gets angry at a Christian in his country, even if the conflict deals with personal issues rather than religious, they stand ready to accuse Islam as the source. Many Palestinian authorities(Muslims I might add) have condemned this action despite their anger at Israel and are assisting in the investigation and have also reprimanded those officials and citizens who have praised the attack as inhumane and foolish.


On the persecution of Christians in the Middle East itself...I think when the predominately Christian nations like the USA stop backing up Israel a lot of that will stop.

Edited by Saintly_Jinn23, 13 March 2011 - 01:09 PM.

[Fiasco]

LostK, honestly, is it really that much of an issue to just ask the members here how they feel about a particular issue, rather than making sweeping, and downright offensive, generalizations about how we feel and what we think? You could start a poll thread and that should give you an idea of what Shiachatters think.

But you're obviously a disingenuous character, so this will probably fall on deaf ears.

Edited by Fiasco, 13 March 2011 - 01:18 PM.

[LostK]

Fiasco, on 13 March 2011 - 01:17 PM, said:

LostK, honestly, is it really that much of an issue to just ask the members here how they feel about a particular issue, rather than making sweeping, and downright offensive, generalizations about how we feel and what we think? You could start a poll thread and that should give you an idea of what Shiachatters think.

But you're obviously a disingenuous character, so this will probably fall on deaf ears.

Why ask when I can lurk and see what people on here think?

[Fiasco]

LostK, on 13 March 2011 - 01:56 PM, said:

Why ask when I can lurk and see what people on here think?

If this what you've gathered through lurking, then i must say you're lurking abilities leave alot to be desired.

[shiasoldier786]

Here's is a video dedicated to 'LostK'

Edited by shiasoldier786, 13 March 2011 - 08:52 PM.

[Stefan]

shiasoldier786, on 13 March 2011 - 08:52 PM, said:

Here's is a video dedicated to 'LostK'

This is the complete unedited version of that video :

[Ulfserker]

satyaban, on 13 March 2011 - 01:58 AM, said:

Muslims carried out their terrorist acts of 9/11 for Islam shouting "Allah Akbar"

This is another proof that 9/11 was inside job. No muslim will shout prior his death takbir, but shahadah, because die testifying cause and became shahid. Shouting takbir before istishhad is one of stereotypes, so it looks like that those who schemed this horrific act (9/11 I mean) had no knowledge of Islam above stereotypes.

[Stefan]

Ulfserker, on 15 March 2011 - 04:12 AM, said:

This is another proof that 9/11 was inside job. No muslim will shout prior his death takbir, but shahadah, because die testifying cause and became shahid. Shouting takbir before istishhad is one of stereotypes, so it looks like that those who schemed this horrific act (9/11 I mean) had no knowledge of Islam above stereotypes.

"This phrase [takbir] is recited by Muslims in many different situations. For example, when they are very happy, to express approval, to praise a speaker, or as a battle cry, during times of extreme stress. In the Islamic world, instead of applause, often someone will shout takbir and the crowd will respond "Allahu Akbar" in chorus."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takbir

Yes, I know that Wikipedia is not very reliable, but, as far as I'm concerned, it's your word against theirs.

"The Arabic phrase "Allahu Akbar", shouted by the Fort Hood killer Major Nidal Malik Hasan before he opened fire, is known as the takbir and is used by Muslims to express a wide range of emotions."

http://www.telegraph...lahu-Akbar.html

Was the Fort Hood killing an inside job, too ? That guy surely expected his own death when he started shooting at his colleagues.

Edited by Stefan, 15 March 2011 - 04:35 AM.