macisaac, on 14 February 2011 - 12:42 PM, said:
So it's no big deal to start taking ziyarat addressed to the Ma`sumeen and applying them to a fallible political leader? And the rest of us are supposed to just sit back and be fine with that when you do these things in the name of our religion? I guess to you folks that might be no big deal since you've already taken the talibiya addressed to Allah (labbayk Allahumma labbayk) and applied it him.
LOL you really are ridiculous! We are not "taking ziyarat" and "applying" it to Khamenei. The words in question are FROM ziarat Ashura but that's about as far as the connection goes. It's like poetry, and the words are meant to have a strength behind them that resonates from the well known lines of the ziarat. The words aren't divine. We aren't saying "Ya Khamenei seyyed al-shuhada". They are pretty common words but the poetic beauty of them comes from the Ziarat. I sincerely hope you are joking and your basic level of comprehension and understanding isn't really this low.
And what does the Talbiyah have to do with anything? Labbayka Ya Khomeini! Labbayka Ya Khamenei! Labbayka Ya Nasrallah! Labbayka ya Moqtada al-sadr! Is this what you have a problem with? Why are you so literalistic in everyting? Well "Ayatullah" is a title of Isa
so therefore we should not apply it to our sholars. The title of "Sayyid" should therefore also be banned because only our Imams are "Sayyids". Do you see how you pick and chose what to follow based on your own hypocrisy and hate?
I bet you are also one of those people who hates Hezbollah (well obviously considering wilayat alfaqih is one of it's pillars and Hezbollah supporters "commit shirk" by saying "Labbayka ya Nasrallah!"). Maybe they shouldn't be called Hezbollah because "Hezbollah" is mentioned in the Quran.
Anyway I'm not going to argue with you because clearly you are just full of hate and discussing this further is only going to escalate the situation. Your stubbornness and close-mindedness means that only Allah can remove the hate that is in your heart and I pray that He does.
Thurston, on 14 February 2011 - 12:59 PM, said:
Some of you Khamenei worshippers are beyond belief.
Another perfectly fine thread ruined by rabid mouth-foaming haters who are hell bent on ruining peoples fun.
"Khamenei worshippers"....LOL.....like....who are you?
PLEASE MODS: Can't we just enjoy one thread without hate and fitna? Oh I'm sorry one of the fitna mongerers is an "admin". How did you get to be an admin of Shia chat? This isn't "lunatic tiny proportion extreme fringe beliefs chat". How is you being an admin fair?
Edited by Ibn Abdullah, 14 February 2011 - 01:15 PM.