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[ShiaSoldier@2007]

The Curses of the lord be upon you oh cruel uploader!
If anyone wants it A.S.A.P it I can send it to them through email, but here is the reference anyways.
I will type it out tomorrow Inshallah.

Here is the scan from "The life of Imam Ali Bin Muhammad Al-Hadi Study And Analysis"
It is on page 48-49

By: Baqir Shareef al-Qurashi

Translated By: Abdullah al-Shahin

[shia14]

Sufis are very spiritual people, they connect to their souls in the hope of connecting with God.
Whether their path is right or not is another matter altogether.
Due to the fact that they leave the physical world and connect with the spiritual they are able to see past material beings and perform 'miracles'.
Anyone can do it, it's just a matter of forgetting about your materialistic self.

[14infallibles]

shia14, on 05 February 2011 - 06:32 PM, said:

Sufis are very spiritual people, they connect to their souls in the hope of connecting with God.
Whether their path is right or not is another matter altogether.

Actually, the only way of connecting with God is by following Ahlul Bayt عليهم السلام

I leave behind 2 things: Quran and Ahlul Bayt
If they do not have these 2 things, then they are not on the right path.

Edited by 14infallibles, 06 February 2011 - 12:10 AM.

[rabbfatima]

i havent ever come such a sufi (except naqshbandi's ) who love first 2 sunni caliphs,
infact , you must read shah abdul latif bhittai's and qalandar lal shahbaz qalandar's poetry in which they have done tabbara on enemies of Fatima (s.a)

no sufi ever says that they reject ahle bayt and quran

[14infallibles]

rabbfatima, on 07 February 2011 - 03:52 PM, said:

i havent ever come such a sufi (except naqshbandi's ) who love first 2 sunni caliphs,
infact , you must read shah abdul latif bhittai's and qalandar lal shahbaz qalandar's poetry in which they have done tabbara on enemies of Fatima (s.a)

no sufi ever says that they reject ahle bayt and quran

I have heard that Sufis also praise the 3
Can someone confirm this

[rabbfatima]

14infallibles, on 07 February 2011 - 05:21 PM, said:

I have heard that Sufis also praise the 3
Can someone confirm this

wait there is a difference b/w sunni and shia sufis , the 2 i mentioned are shia sufis , qalandar shahbaz a.s and shah latif a.s

[shia14]

14infallibles, on 06 February 2011 - 12:09 AM, said:

Actually, the only way of connecting with God is by following Ahlul Bayt Úáíåã ÇáÓáÇã

I leave behind 2 things: Quran and Ahlul Bayt
If they do not have these 2 things, then they are not on the right path.

I said they connect with their souls IN THE HOPE of connecting with God. Didn't say they got that connection.
Hindus, Buddhists also have this in their faith, where they connect with their souls through meditation.

[Amir-Husayn]

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I have heard that Sufis also praise the 3
Can someone confirm this

Most of my experience with Sufis is in the Balkans so I do not know how generalizable this is to the rest of the world, but most Sufi groups there believe that spiritual authority was with Imam 'Ali and not the first three Caliphs. They do however believe that temporal authority was given to the Caliphs and they don't have much problem with that and don't have animosity towards them. If asked they would probably say good things about the Caliphs, but they are much more focused on Imam 'Ali. There are some Sufi orders like the Bekhtashi's and Saadi's who have stronger Shi'i tendencies as well and have less respect for the Caliphs, but once again they usually just avoid talking about them.

[14infallibles]

Amir-Husayn, on 07 February 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

Most of my experience with Sufis is in the Balkans so I do not know how generalizable this is to the rest of the world, but most Sufi groups there believe that spiritual authority was with Imam 'Ali and not the first three Caliphs. They do however believe that temporal authority was given to the Caliphs and they don't have much problem with that and don't have animosity towards them. If asked they would probably say good things about the Caliphs, but they are much more focused on Imam 'Ali. There are some Sufi orders like the Bekhtashi's and Saadi's who have stronger Shi'i tendencies as well and have less respect for the Caliphs, but once again they usually just avoid talking about them.

Thank you for your response.