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[Noah-]

Bahadur Ali, on 22 January 2010 - 07:43 PM, said:

Wali.ul Amir ul Muslimeen? What's next? Ameer ol Momineen? This is getting out of hand and slipping into outright heresy and rebellion against our real master, Imam-e Zaman (ajf).

Why not Ameerul Mo'mineen? In what terms and conditions it makes it impossible for Muslims of today to have an Amir?

[fyst]

repenter, on 22 January 2010 - 07:18 AM, said:

1. Did Allah make Quran for ALL manking, in particular muslims? yes

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2. Out of 100 ayats in the Holy Quran, 90 of them is about social or political issues, only 10 is about figh and personal issues. Should we ignore 90% of the Quran because Imam Zaman isnt here yet?

No, we don't ignore anything from the Qur'an.

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Also do you think that Allah would leave us without someone to take charge of these issues in the absence of Imam Mahdi?

Not only would Allah leave us without someone to take charge of these issues in the absence of Imam Mahdi [a], he actually did. The four special representatives of Imam Mahdi [a] during the minor occultation were appointed to get the Shi'ahs used to this condition, where we don't have an Imam or his representative to guide us in these issues.

Hasan_Sajjad, on 22 January 2010 - 10:36 AM, said:

The Prophet and all of the Imams have always asked us to take the scholars as our guides, rulers, etc.

Guides, yes. Rulers? Really? Where?

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The Imam's never limited the role of the ulema to just fiqh, so what gives you that right?

Okay, so show me an example where the Imams asked us to take the ulema as our rulers? Go ahead. Just one example.
  

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And why are you making the mistake of separating Islam from politics?

Why are you making the mistake of assuming that I am separating the two?

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But every leader gives us access to him, are you saying the Imam has failed to do so?  Even the ulema have representatives for themselves, but you are claiming the Imam doesn't have representatives for us?  Is that practical to you?

Let me repeat the question, since you are intent on avoiding it.

You that we should "take his deputy as your leader as well".


Now my question is:


When did Imam Mahdi [a] make Sayyid Khamenei "his deputy"?


Go ahead, try answering it.

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The Imams never limited the role of the ulema to just fiqh.  The Imams are well aware of the facts that Islam is a way of life, not something limited to 5 times a day.  If you forgo your political and social responsibilities, your fiqh is just a ritual.  Even the essence of Jamaat namaaz, Jummah namaaz and other matters that are "only" related to fiqh have a very sociopolitical aspect.

What you don't seem to realize is that the Imams never asked us to refer to a single, particular `Alim for resolving issues in his absence. We were asked to refer to any pious narrator of aHadith  (ÑæÇÉ ÍÏíËäÇ). So if you believe that these ulemah that we are supposed to refer to are supposed to guide us in all affairs (and not simply fiqh), then there is no choice but to accept that we can refer to ANY pious `Alim for non-fiqhi issues, and not just someone appointed in Iran for the job.

So, again your claim about Sayyid Khamenei being appointed by Imam Mahdi's [a] to be "his deputy" is a complete lie. Because Imam Mahdi didn't appoint any deputies for the Greater Occultation. The sooner you come to terms with this reality, the better it will be for you.

shiasoldier786, on 22 January 2010 - 09:43 PM, said:

There is the following statement of the Twelfth Imam (a.s) which is part of the reply to a query by Ishaq Ibn Ya'qub and has been handed down to us as a Hadith’ "... As to the emerging cases, you should refer to those who are narrators of our Ahadith, since they are my authorized representatives among you, and I am God's representative . . ." (al-Shaykh al-Ansari, al-Makasib; al-Shaykh al-Saduq, Ikmal al-Din wa Itmam al-ni'mah.

So you agree then that we can refer to any narrator of ahadith for any fiqhi/non-fiqhi issue, and not necessarily one particular `Alim, right? Because if you accept this hadith, which it appears you do, then this hadith gives explicit permission to refer to any narrator of ahadith, and not just one particular narrator. Hence, Sayyid Khamenei is not even the "Wali Amr Al-muslimeen" for all the Muslims in Iran, let alone all the Muslims in the world. He is only the wali for those who choose him as their wali.

[hameedeh]

Is the poll closed? I tried to vote and it said: [#10349] You do not have permission to vote in this poll.

[shiasoldier786]

fyst, on 22 January 2010 - 11:38 PM, said:

So you agree then that we can refer to any narrator of ahadith for any fiqhi/non-fiqhi issue, and not necessarily one particular `Alim, right? Because if you accept this hadith, which it appears you do, then this hadith gives explicit permission to refer to any narrator of ahadith, and not just one particular narrator. Hence, Sayyid Khamenei is not even the "Wali Amr Al-muslimeen" for all the Muslims in Iran, let alone all the Muslims in the world. He is only the wali for those who choose him as their wali.

You conviniently ignored the other hadith narrated from Imam Al Rida

Anyways, the point to bring up the above narration was due to your persistence in asking for a hadith in which the 12th Imam has asked us to follow scholars. And if these same scholars, the top learned mujtahids, who are part of the assembly of experts, elect Imam Khamenei (HA) as the leader, who are you to reject?

Leadership is confined to a single person, and in the absence of the 12th Imam, we need someone to assume that role. This however, doesnt mean that we are making a comparision between the status of Imam Khamenei (HA) and the 12h Imam in anyway whatsoever.  

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Al-lmam al-Rida (a.s) has said: "We do not find any community or nation living and surviving without a leader and chief; they cannot deal without him with their religious affairs. God, the Wise, does not leave mankind without a leader; He knows that they cannot do without him and they do not have any support except from him. With his help they can halt their enemy, equitably distribute their gains, establish their prayer in congregation on Fridays and other days and protect the rights of the weak from being violated by the strong ones."

Hameedeh, on 23 January 2010 - 12:43 AM, said:

Is the poll closed? I tried to vote and it said: [#10349] You do not have permission to vote in this poll.

You need over 50 posts to vote.

[fyst]

shiasoldier786, on 23 January 2010 - 01:27 AM, said:

You conviniently ignored the other hadith narrated from Imam Al Rida

No, I didn't. You said you would provide a hadith of Imam Mahdi [a], and I responded to that particular hadith. I'm not going to respond to your irrelevant additions.

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And if these same scholars, the top learned mujtahids, who are part of the assembly of experts, elect Imam Khamenei (HA) as the leader

Then these scholars can follow Sayyid Khamenei all they like.

The hadith, in case you still haven't read it, allows us to follow ANY narrator of hadith. Hence, that very hadith proves that we can follow ANY `Alim, and not just the leader of Iran.

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Leadership is confined to a single person, and in the absence of the 12th Imam, we need someone to assume that role.

No one is denying the need of a leader. Your argument is that Ayatullah Khamenei is that leader for ALL Muslims, which is an utterly preposterous argument. You can accept him as your own leader if you want, and no one has a problem with that, but try not to be silly and tell other Muslims who their leader is as well.

[Bahadur Ali]

Someone50 wrote:

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Why not Ameerul Mo'mineen? In what terms and conditions it makes it impossible for Muslims of today to have an Amir?  

I have only one expression to qualifiy such statements: outright and complete heresy and blasphemy. This is nothing but complete satanic rebellion against God and His Hujjah, Imam-e Zaman (ajf).

Edited by Bahadur Ali, 23 January 2010 - 02:52 AM.

[Marbles]

Amir al-momineen is a title reserved for infallible aimah.

Compare it with the title of Imam. The usage of Imam among Shia was also strictly restricted to the twelve Aimah.

Have you ever heard of Imam Al-Kulayni, Imam Majlisi, Imam Saduq, Imam Tabarsi? But now we have Imam Khomeini and Imam Khamenei. WOW. How about Imam Seestani and Imam Fadlallah?

Edited by Marbles, 23 January 2010 - 03:02 AM.

[shabib_jaisi]

[quote name='fyst' date='23 January 2010 - 01:54 AM' timestamp='1264229645' post='2011068']
No, I didn't. You said you would provide a hadith of Imam Mahdi [a], and I responded to that particular hadith. I'm not going to respond to your irrelevant additions.[/quote]

Is Hadith from Imam Redha an irrelevant addition ?.. Or is it only that the Hadith that suits your personal opinion matters ?? Are not these Hadith of Masoomeen(as) complementing each other...

[quoteThen these scholars can follow Sayyid Khamenei all they like.[/quote]

So if the overwhelming majority of senior scholars chose Sayyid Khamenei as their leader.. we should come and check with you whether it is ok to follow these scholars ??..  

Even for the system of Wilayat e Faqih.. plz check with the Maraje all across the globe.. and other senior scholars who know the Hadith of Masoomeens much better than you or me.. you might be surprised to know that most of these senior scholars accept the fundamentals of this Political Philosophy..


[quote]The hadith, in case you still haven't read it, allows us to follow ANY narrator of hadith. Hence, that very hadith proves that we can follow ANY `Alim, and not just the leader of Iran.[/quote]

Yes you can follow any Alim who has attained a level of understanding w.r.t Hadith of Masoomeen(as).. but not many scholars are not able to assume leadership due to various circumstances.. And with the importance of Leadership in our society it is prudent to follow those who are providing Leadership.. Leadership does not mean to follow the Leader in my day to day personal affairs.. It simply means to follow the Leader on social/political issues that concern us..



[quote]No one is denying the need of a leader. Your argument is that Ayatullah Khamenei is that leader for ALL Muslims, which is an utterly preposterous argument. You can accept him as your own leader if you want, and no one has a problem with that, but try not to be silly and tell other Muslims who their leader is as well.
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I would say plz not be silly and try to advise other Shia Muslims who their leader is.. plz let Shia Muslims consult their senior scholar and decide who is discharging Leadership duties.. Your intellect is not upto the point of advising or guiding Shia Muslims on Leadership issues in light of Hadith e Masoomeen(as)..

Edited by shabib_jaisi, 23 January 2010 - 03:07 AM.

[shiasoldier786]

Marbles, on 23 January 2010 - 03:00 AM, said:

Amir al-momineen is a title reserved for infallible aimah.

Compare it with the title of Imam. The usage of Imam among Shia was also strictly restricted to the twelve Aimah.

Have you ever heard of Imam Al-Kulayni, Imam Majlisi, Imam Saduq, Imam Tabarsi? But now we have Imam Khomeini and Imam Khamenei. WOW. How about Imam Seestani and Imam Fadlallah?

Bro, from the translation I got, an imam is an ''Islamic leadership position''. Hence, if Sheikh Saduq or Allama Majlisi, or even Ayatollah Sistani were (or become) ''leaders'' of the ummah, the title would apply to them too...

I guess there are several ways in which the word ''Imam'' can be looked at, depending on the context.

Edited by shiasoldier786, 23 January 2010 - 03:22 AM.

[fyst]

shabib_jaisi, on 23 January 2010 - 03:06 AM, said:

Is Hadith from Imam Redha an irrelevant addition ?.. Or is it only that the Hadith that suits your personal opinion matters ?? Are not these Hadith of Masoomeen(as) complementing each other...

Yes, it is irrelevant because it says nothing about following Ulemah. Tell me, what exactly does that hadith have to do with this topic???

Try understanding the topic of discussion before adding in your own irrelevant input.

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we should come and check with you whether it is ok to follow these scholars ??..

No, I could not be less bothered about which scholars you wish to follow.

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plz check with the Maraje all across the globe..

You first.

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Yes you can follow any Alim who has attained a level of understanding w.r.t Hadith of Masoomeen(as)

And that is exactly what I am saying. I'm glad you agree.

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I would say plz not be silly and try to advise other Shia Muslims who their leader is.

I never did advise anyone about who their leader is, something that you could have easily figured out if you could understand English and had you read my posts.

[Bahadur Ali]

shiasoldier786 wrote:

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Bro, from the translation I got, an imam is an ''Islamic leadership position''. Hence, if Sheikh Saduq or Allama Majlisi, or even Ayatollah Sistani were (or become) ''leaders'' of the ummah, the title would apply to them too...

I guess there are several ways in which the word ''Imam'' can be looked at.

There is only one leader of the Ummah: Imâm-e Zamân (ajf). Anyone claiming that title for another but Imâm-e Zamân (ajf) is in open rebellion against Allah (swt) and His Hujjah (ajf) and is no better than the Ummayyads and Abbassids.

[shiasoldier786]

Bahadur Ali, on 23 January 2010 - 03:25 AM, said:

shiasoldier786 wrote:



There is only one leader of the Ummah: Imâm-e Zamân (ajf). Anyone claiming that title for another but Imâm-e Zamân (ajf) is in open rebellion against Allah (swt) and His Hujjah (ajf) and is no better than the Ummayyads and Abbassids.

Oh ok. Most of the Muslim World is rebellious against Allah (swt) for using the title of Imam, out of respect, to adress Ayatollah Khomeini (HA) and Ayatollah Khamenei (HA), and the only ones to go to paradise I assume, are the hard-core enemies of the wali-e-faqih. Sounds reasonble.

[Marbles]

shiasoldier786, on 23 January 2010 - 03:20 AM, said:

Bro, from the translation I got, an imam is an ''Islamic leadership position''. Hence, if Sheikh Saduq or Allama Majlisi, or even Ayatollah Sistani were (or become) ''leaders'' of the ummah, the title would apply to them too...

I guess there are several ways in which the word ''Imam'' can be looked at, depending on the context.

It seems that in case of fallibles the title of Imam is only used for the scholar who has political leadership. So a scholar is not an 'Imam' if he doesn't have political power. But do note that the Imamat of the infallible aimah did not depend on their assuming political leadership. They were Imams with or without power. So it doesn't relate when a fallible scholar is called 'Imam' on assuming political power/leadership. Non-political scholars of the past and present are also leaders of momins like Kulayni, Babwiyah Qumi, Seestani et al. They should also be called Imams out of respect if so. However I must point out that this usage of the term 'Imam' is a new phenomenon. In the past, it was restricted to the 12 infallible aimah.

Edited by Marbles, 23 January 2010 - 03:43 AM.

[shiasoldier786]

shabib_jaisi, on 23 January 2010 - 03:06 AM, said:

Is Hadith from Imam Redha an irrelevant addition ?..

Dont bother arguing with him bro. Hes looking for a hadith from the 12th Imam which explicitly mentions the name of Imam Khamenei (HA). All the other hadith from the aimmah , and logic, seem to be irrelevent to him.

W/Salaam

[Bahadur Ali]

The level of paranoia has reached a level only seen in Soviet Russia and Maoist China. Absolutely incredible.
Just because a person doesn't agree with calling Sayyid Khamenei wali ol amr ol moslemin or even amir ol momenin does NOT mean one is a "hardcore opponent of wilayat e faqih" or a "zionist spy". I think few people have issues with the possibility of the concept of wilayat e faqih, wathever the interpretation of it exists. But to actually ascribe to Sayyid Khamenei functions and titles that belong to Imam e Zaman (ajf) and to him only is purely and simply breaking with sound traditional doctrine and slipping into obvious and manifest heresy and blasphemy that puts one outside of the bounds of the true faith. The Imam-e Zaman (ajf) is in ghayybah BUT NOT ABSENT. He is very well present in this world, alive and well and he is the ruler for the following reasons:
a: divine right: He has been appointed as our ruler by Allah (swt) Himself.
b: birth right: He is the rightful heir of the Prophet and the Imams who preceeded him, also do to his ancestry via Hazrat Shahr Bano and his holy mother Hazrat e Narkes, he is also the real Shahan Shah of Iran and Emperor of Rome.
c. legislative right: He is the guardian of shari'a
d. right of conquest

Our Imam (ajf) is hidden NOT ABSENT which means that to give ANY of his titles away to anyone else is an act of satanic rebellion against Allah (swt) and His Hujjah (ajf). No person has the right to bear ANY of his titles such amir ol momenin. Anyone claiming that Sayyid Khamenei is amir ol momenin is de facto a heretic, a blasphemer, a rebell against God and an ally of Shaytan and two idols of Quraysh (la).

May Allah (swt) have mercy on our souls and preserve us from such heresy.

Edited by Bahadur Ali, 23 January 2010 - 07:06 AM.

[macisaac]

And so we see the Zaydi-fication of Imamis...  Allah protect us and hasten the zhuhur of our Leader.

[hameedeh]

shiasoldier786, on 23 January 2010 - 01:27 AM, said:

You need over 50 posts to vote.

Doh! Thank you for explaining that.

[Noah-]

Bahadur Ali, on 23 January 2010 - 02:50 AM, said:

Someone50 wrote:


I have only one expression to qualifiy such statements: outright and complete heresy and blasphemy. This is nothing but complete satanic rebellion against God and His Hujjah, Imam-e Zaman (ajf).

What you say is intentionally or you are just uneducated? Are you able to explain your claims or bring reference from scholars? In doing that, do not mix up things..no body is asking for the title of infallible Imams. Discuss specific terms "Imam" and "Amirul Momineen".

[Noah-]

Bahadur Ali, on 23 January 2010 - 06:13 AM, said:

The level of paranoia has reached a level only seen in Soviet Russia and Maoist China. Absolutely incredible.
Just because a person doesn't agree with calling Sayyid Khamenei wali ol amr ol moslemin or even amir ol momenin does NOT mean one is a "hardcore opponent of wilayat e faqih" or a "zionist spy". I think few people have issues with the possibility of the concept of wilayat e faqih, wathever the interpretation of it exists. But to actually ascribe to Sayyid Khamenei functions and titles that belong to Imam e Zaman (ajf) and to him only is purely and simply breaking with sound traditional doctrine and slipping into obvious and manifest heresy and blasphemy that puts one outside of the bounds of the true faith. The Imam-e Zaman (ajf) is in ghayybah BUT NOT ABSENT. He is very well present in this world, alive and well and he is the ruler for the following reasons:
a: divine right: He has been appointed as our ruler by Allah (swt) Himself.
b: birth right: He is the rightful heir of the Prophet and the Imams who preceeded him, also do to his ancestry via Hazrat Shahr Bano and his holy mother Hazrat e Narkes, he is also the real Shahan Shah of Iran and Emperor of Rome.
c. legislative right: He is the guardian of shari'a
d. right of conquest

Our Imam (ajf) is hidden NOT ABSENT which means that to give ANY of his titles away to anyone else is an act of satanic rebellion against Allah (swt) and His Hujjah (ajf). No person has the right to bear ANY of his titles such amir ol momenin. Anyone claiming that Sayyid Khamenei is amir ol momenin is de facto a heretic, a blasphemer, a rebell against God and an ally of Shaytan and two idols of Quraysh (la).

May Allah (swt) have mercy on our souls and preserve us from such heresy.

You are the only one seems to be paranoid and jumping to conclusion. Regarding the infallible Imams, it is not about the TITLE, they were often called "infallible rulers", "Khalifa of the time", "Imam mahsom", "Amirul Mohmineen" (appointed by Allah). No body is talking of Imam or Amir in those terms, take your breathe.......when people refer to Friday Prayer leaders as Imam (almost everywhere in the world), or Amirul Mujahideen in battles, or Amirul momineen in social and political affairs, it does not mean anything to glorify them or replace them as mahsomeen who were chosen by God and his messenger. Muslims are allowed to choose anyone from their ranks who performs his religious duties well and is pious and is a better candidate to LEAD them in religious or worldly matters.

What you are explaining I believe you did not understand the concepts of what you copied and pasted here. It is not about the terms or reserved terms or titles..it is about the persons appointed by Allah, the (12 infallible rulers) who will rule the world until the Day of Judgment according to Shia tradition and also in reference to Quranic verses. In case a person comes forward and presents himself as one of mahsom Imams, or claims to be Imam Mahdi or the infallible ruler of the time then we judge him according to what you explained. We had only a few of those people who claim to be Imam Mahdi or someone who hold the same power or was appointed by God...the most recent one was killed in Karbala or Najaf by Iraqi forces, and also the other known one was Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani.

[Bahadur Ali]

Why on earth should I have to explain myself? It is you guys who break wuth 1400 years of Shi'a tradition and are starting to apply titles to peope without any traditional precedent. Rather it should be you guys who should justify your departure from sound tradition and your innovations. Again, I am not against wilayat-e faqih BUT as far as wali ol amr ol moslimîn and amîr ol momenîn is concerned this is a no go area beyond which you guys enter an area that is exactly the same as the one of the Babis before the emergence of Bahaism. By ascribing such titles to a non-ma'sûm, functions he simply can't hold anyway because of ontological and functional reasons, you are opening the gates of heresy wide open and are no less different than the Bahais and Qadianis. I find it amazing that the ones who insist on Tradition are now the ones being accused of being ennemies of the religion. This is simply Stalinist madness and idolatry.

Edited by Bahadur Ali, 23 January 2010 - 11:40 AM.

[Al-Mufeed]

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What you say is intentionally or you are just uneducated? Are you able to explain your claims or bring reference from scholars? In doing that, do not mix up things..no body is asking for the title of infallible Imams. Discuss specific terms "Imam" and "Amirul Momineen

The only comment I wanted to make was about the title Amir al Mumineen. We have specific hadeeths from Ahlulbayt that state that the title "Amir al Mumineen" is reserved only for Imam Ali even the other Imams did not take this title. So please be very careful when using that term. Do not fall in to blasphemy. If any of you wish these hadeeths can be provided for you.

[Noah-]

Al-Mufeed, on 23 January 2010 - 11:43 AM, said:

The only comment I wanted to make was about the title Amir al Mumineen. We have specific hadeeths from Ahlulbayt that state that the title "Amir al Mumineen" is reserved only for Imam Ali even the other Imams did not take this title. So please be very careful when using that term. Do not fall in to blasphemy. If any of you wish these hadeeths can be provided for you.

Surely Imam Ali was very popular with that title, especially what happened in Ghadeer Khum, but that was totally different case when we talk about "imamat" or "welayat" in those senses are different.... The question about the 'reserved title'... The Arabic terminology of the terms come to play the role when we talk about "Imams" or "Amirs" for others than the infallible Imams... The title such as, Imam, Amir, Khaleefa, being used by both Shias and Sunnis....When we talk about Master of "martyrs" or the greatest 'martyr' we all know the title is a reference to Imam Hussein (a.s), but that doesn't stop us calling others as 'martyrs'. If you have anything to proof that, please provide some evidence from Quran or hadiths that suggests Muslims should not use these terms... I wonder if scholars do not have problem in using the terms such as "Imam Khomeini", even Muntazeri who opposed Imam Khomeini used the word Imam..then I don't know why some people here have problems.. I would be happy to read your "hadiths" not necessary to accept them, unless a clear explanation by a scholar to testify the hadiths are supported by Quran and who provides explanation and reasons for omitting the usage of "Amir" from Shia dictionary.

Bahadur Ali, You don't have to explain yourself, no fun to read your nonsense. Who the heck are you to issue your two cents Islamic rulings? We don't need another Taliban style Takfiris amongst Shias, especially those who want to use Islam (supporters of Marxist MKO) who oppose Islamic establishment all together). If you are preventing any Muslim from saying or doing anything, you need to come up prepared, provide Quranic or hadith and tradition in accordance to Shari'a. We don't need your own wording.....And we don't need out of topic hadiths or narrations talking about Imamat or Welayat of AhalulBait..etc..be specific about the things you claim, and the rulings you make........

[Abdul Qaim]

macisaac, on 23 January 2010 - 07:49 AM, said:

And so we see the Zaydi-fication of Imamis... Allah protect us and hasten the zhuhur of our Leader.

+1

[Bahadur Ali]

Someone50 wrote:

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Bahadur Ali, You don't have to explain yourself, no fun to read your nonsense. Who the heck are you to issue your two cents Islamic rulings? We don't need another Taliban style Takfiris amongst Shias, especially those who want to use Islam (supporters of Marxist MKO) who oppose Islamic establishment all together). If you are preventing any Muslim from saying or doing anything, you need to come up prepared, provide Quranic or hadith and tradition in accordance to Shari'a. We don't need your own wording.....And we don't need out of topic hadiths or narrations talking about Imamat or Welayat of AhalulBait..etc..be specific about the things you claim, and the rulings you make........  

Sorry but I won't to discuss obvious issues of Imamte with a crypto-Zaydi. In 12er Shi'ism, which is my religion, the title Amir-ul Mu'minîn is for Imâm 'Ali only. If you think that title can be used by Sayyid Khamenei then you are a heretic and a blasphemer and I have neither the time nor the patience for heresy. You're the one moving away from sound orthodox tradition into heresy and blasphemy not us the 12er  Shi'a. I have absolutely no issues with wilayat ul faqih but what you and your friends propose is simply Zaydi heresy.

Edited by Bahadur Ali, 24 January 2010 - 02:28 AM.

[Noah-]

Bahadur Ali, on 24 January 2010 - 02:19 AM, said:

Someone50 wrote:

Sorry but I won't to discuss obvious issues of Imamte with a crypto-Zaydi. In 12er Shi'ism, which is my religion, the title Amir-ul Mu'minîn is for Imâm 'Ali only. If you think that title can be used by Sayyid Khamenei then you are a heretic and a blasphemer and I have neither the time nor the patience for heresy. You're the one moving away from sound orthodox tradition into heresy and blasphemy not us the 12er  Shi'a. I have absolutely no issues with wilayat ul faqih but what you and your friends propose is simply Zaydi heresy.

Because you can NOT answer the questions. This topic is not about a political discussion/analysis so we can just read your BS and leave it there. You need to provide REFERENCES AND EVIDENCES. I asked you above in simple language to come prepared and provide things if you declare "heresy" and etc... Can you update us and tell us your qualifications? I wonder even if you understand Arabic language, let alone the Quran/hadith references. I DON'T NEED YOUR IDEAS, sorry, not regarding this topics.

I do NOT see any Zaidi in this forum or anyone who back up their ideas. But, I see 12er Shias who are worse than KUFAR, and doesn't matter what, they like to see the only Shia government in the world to collapse, because they are either Zionist puppets or Marxist slaves. Lets say if the topic was something that was against the government in Iran, the next thing you might done was to make your 2 cents declaration in the opposite ways.