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[mohalamine]

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Salaam

Khamenei is the Waliy Al Amr of Mumineen believers, may be not for each and every "muzzled-men" and shias who are "moderated" by some Western-zionists "administrator's" Ideologies. I don't need any verse or hadeeth anymore with regard to WF of Rahbar Khamenei ! coz I have seen it in a...dream as I have also seen Dr Mahmood Ahmadinejad!  should I believe in the nasty western thoughts or to my own personnal proofs ???

I know the "Scientists " and "dialectical materialism" rationality metled with the "platoonical reasonning" of greeko-roman pagans and their "Montesquio-Machiavelic" schemes and plots, will never get their point with Islamic Gnostism; period./

they are on this board with the view of weakemening the position of Marjaiyya in general and the Wilayat al Faqih in particular, Because according to Al-CIA Mossad, There is no way to topple the Islamic government if it is not weakened from within first. after some careful studies and analyses, they came out with the conclusion that IRI islamic revoltion's strenght lies upon two pillars that needs to be destroyed : The concept of Marjai'yyat and the Wilayat Al Faqih.

No wonder if their subservient servants chasing for AL-CIA-MOSSAD + Wahhabis $$$ and €€€ are still working hard on this board... in vain attempts to derail mumeen believers from the straight path. Let them do...

Labbayk Khamenei , Khamenei rahbar , "Wa man Abaa faqad Kafr"

Ma'a Salaam

Edited by mohalamine, 28 January 2010 - 06:37 PM.

[fyst]

The Persian Shah, on 28 January 2010 - 06:03 PM, said:

The purport of the message is: "I just don't know". Make up your mind..

Fuqaha are the guardians of the affairs of the Muslims, YES or NO.

Try taking some comprehension lessons; I'm sure they'll help you a lot. I said that there is not enough evidence to absolutely reject that fuqahaa as a whole are the guardians, hence I don't absolutely reject this. But there is enough evidence for me to find this position to be very unlikely. Hence I don't accept that fuqahaa are the guardians of the affairs of the Muslims in practice.

[shabib_jaisi]

Ibrahim Nakhee..

Don't worry about the names i mentioned.. you won't go to hell if you don't know them..

And thanks for letting us know that Imam's life is not to be taken as guidance and example.. good for you that you don't compare the actions of Masomeen's with our actions.. bad for me that i do it.. we'll know it in the afterlife who was right...

Also don't worry about vote percentage on SC.. more than 80% muslims don't believe in Wilayat of Imam Ali(as).. and more than 70% of world population do not believe in the Prophethood of Muhammad (saws)... so be merry with your vote counts

By the way i still didn't got answer to the only question i asked in bold.. let me repeat it again since you would not want me to follow a Mulla and rather follow one who can fix my car problem without touching it..

Do you personally know or recognize any such saint in today's world ?.. If yes, would you please let us know so that we too can try following him and benefit from him?..

Edited by shabib_jaisi, 29 January 2010 - 02:06 AM.

[Darth Vader]

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Do you personally know or recognize any such saint in today's world ?.. If yes, would you please let us know so that we too can try following him and benefit from him?..

For the last time, yes I do. Read all my recent replies to you for God's sake. Pretty please. And thank you for your reassurances and most valuable inputs. Put a religious/intellectual noose around my neck and get on with it already. I haven't got all year for this you know.

And how about you answer my questions for a change? What kind of an agent of Imams are you? You should be pouring knowledge into me with answers to my questions if you are their special agent. Or just answer this: What makes Khamenai so special? Why not appoint Fadhlallah or another x, y, z mullah instead? Is there a secret "piety-meter" or a faith weigher that weighs Khamenai as heaviest of them all? I am unaware of such an invention even now.

Edited by Ibrahim Nakhaee, 29 January 2010 - 02:28 AM.

[shabib_jaisi]

Ibrahim Nakhaee, on 29 January 2010 - 02:22 AM, said:

For the last time, yes I do. Read all my recent replies to you for God's sake. Pretty please. And thank you for your reassurances and most valuable inputs. Put a religious/intellectual noose around my neck and get on with it already. I haven't got all year for this you know.

you forgot the 2nd part of my question.. Would you please let us know who they are so that we too can try following him and benefit from him?..

[shabib_jaisi]

Ibrahim Nakhaee, on 29 January 2010 - 02:22 AM, said:

And how about you answer my questions for a change? What kind of an agent of Imams are you? Or just answer this: What makes Khamenai so special? Why not appoint Fadhlallah or another x, y, z mullah instead? Is there a secret "piety-meter" or a faith weigher that weighs Khamenai as heaviest of them all? I am unaware of such an invention even now.

I have already answered your question.. Khamenei is special because he was chosen by the overwhelming majority of Fuqaha which included quite a few Maraje.. and till date considerable majority of pious (and not only powerful) scholars support him.. I won't repeat the names of scholars because you know nothing about them.. if you want to understand the status of these scholars then please go and search for details on the scholars whose name i have already provided you in previous posts..  once you understand their status then i will provide more names to you..

If these pious scholars meet tomorrow and decide that Khamenei won't be Leader anymore and some else would be i would take their advise.. By the way to understand the secret of  "Piety Meter" become a SAINT.. you'll understand the secret..

Edited by shabib_jaisi, 29 January 2010 - 02:36 AM.

[Darth Vader]

His name is Ghulam Ali. He works in a dry cleaners shop in suburbs of Lahore. He knows Quran by heart. He lives hand to mouth and is usually broke. He is married and has a son. Any more questions, ask me via PM. And trust me that all this info will be of no use to you and your kind. You are of course most welcome to come over and visit him but rest assured that he won't live upto your expectations the way you are.

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become a SAINT

Grow up.

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Also don't worry about vote percentage on SC.. more than 80% muslims don't believe in Wilayat of Imam Ali(as).. and more than 70% of world population do not believe in the Prophethood of Muhammad (saws)... so be merry with your vote counts

Christians have tested the results of having a end-all be-all authority for all Christians; a Pope. It doesn't work for humans buddy. You need a ma'soom for such kind of allegiance and such level of dedication and responsibility.

Edited by Ibrahim Nakhaee, 29 January 2010 - 02:43 AM.

[shabib_jaisi]

Ibrahim Nakhaee, on 29 January 2010 - 02:36 AM, said:

His name is Ghulam Ali. He works in a dry cleaners shop in suburbs of Lahore. He knows Quran by heart. He lives hand to mouth and is usually broke. He is married and has a son. Any more questions, ask me via PM. And trust me that all this info will be of no use to you and your kind. You are of course most welcome to come over and visit him but rest assured that he won't live upto your expectations the way you are.

Ohh... i live in India.. how can i come to Lahore to take guidance..  Are there some in India you know of??..

If he cannot provide guidance to me where i live then whats the use ??.. And by the way what guidance he usually provides.. on Akhlaqi masael.. on Fiqhi masael.. on Political masael.. on Social Masael.. on Financial Masael.. or on any kind of Masael.. or on Spiritual aspects only

Masha Allah he know the Quran by heart.. Is he an expert in Arabic.. or has he read various commentaries to undertand Quran?...  Does he have any publications which i can read ??
How many Hadith he knows by heart to be able to understand the meaning and context of Quran ??.. Does he call the believers (Shias) to right path publicly or not ?.. Or he has his Khankhah where he teaches a select few ?..

Can he have a discussion on his understanding of Quran with some of best known Shia expert on Quran in this age ?

Don't take offence.. I am not trying to demean Aga Ghulam Ali sahab..He may very well be a highly spiritual person who may be providing spiritual satisfaction to many believers. But the problem is that Islam has asked me to fulfill social/political responsibilities also apart from gaining spiritual satisfaction.. I am asking because i need to be sure that my Guide is well aware and the best.. atleast better the scholars i take guidance from currently...

Don't feel that those like us who follow Mulla have nothing to do with spirituality.. everyone who is sincere has spiritual guide (and YES a MULLA (as you say) can also be a SPIRITUAL GUIDE) for one cannot progress without it.. I am happy that Allah(swt) found Aga Ghulam Ali sahab for you.. but be aware that we may also have spiritual guides.. Infact if you try reading about the names i mentioned.. you'll find that a lot of them had very great spiritual teachers for long period of their life.. and that many of them were spiritual guide for millions in this world..

Sorry for asking questions in open because this issues concerns all those who follow mulla in your terminology..

Edited by shabib_jaisi, 29 January 2010 - 03:12 AM.

[shabib_jaisi]

Ibrahim Nakhaee, on 29 January 2010 - 02:36 AM, said:

Grow up.

I thought you had the impression that only SAINTS know the fundamentals of Piety and inner truths of it.. Since you wanted to understand the Piety Meter used to select Leader, i suggested that.. Don't mind if you believe otherwise now

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Christians have tested the results of having a end-all be-all authority for all Christians; a Pope. It doesn't work for humans buddy. You need a ma'soom for such kind of allegiance and such level of dedication and responsibility.

Leadership is needed at all levels in society.. without proper leadership this society goes no where.. Try to think over.. It's not a simple matter of Pope v/s Wilayat e Faqih..

Edited by shabib_jaisi, 29 January 2010 - 03:11 AM.

[The Persian Shah]

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Try taking some comprehension lessons; I'm sure they'll help you a lot. I said that there is not enough evidence to absolutely reject that fuqahaa as a whole are the guardians, hence I don't absolutely reject this. But there is enough evidence for me to find this position to be very unlikely. Hence I don't accept that fuqahaa are the guardians of the affairs of the Muslims in practice.

Please present this evidence.

[Darth Vader]

Shabib our mutual conflict is actually 1400 years old, and we can't solve it for obvious reasons. Please just go ahead and appoint the mullah of your liking, no one is stopping you. The world will see the results. You do not need polls or consent of all the ordinary people like myself to do so. But I can tell you now that after a while your incomplete experiment with that belief will certainly fail. What is stopping Khamenai from becoming supreme leader of the ummah or whatever title you're adorning him with? Please ask him to step in for the entire ummah. Our debate here is pointless and such polls are futile. In any event, nothing can change what is ordained by Allah no matter how many such "religious optimizations" you come up with. Why are you guys so late with this idea and what has been stopping you anyway? 59 AH was like 1400 years ago, no? But anyway, by all means go ahead with it now. I only pray that your new regime doesn't start butchering all the Shia who don't give baya to your vice ameer-ul-momineen scholar.

As for your mullah vs saint knowledge and fields debate, you're comparing a water pistol with a nuclear weapon. Enough said.

Edited by Ibrahim Nakhaee, 29 January 2010 - 05:07 AM.

[fyst]

The Persian Shah, on 29 January 2010 - 03:09 AM, said:

Please present this evidence.

First, that's off-topic. Second, why should I? I couldn't care less about who others take to be their their Wali al-`Amr.

[Abdul Qaim]

macisaac, on 23 January 2010 - 07:49 AM, said:

And so we see the Zaydi-fication of Imamis... Allah protect us and hasten the zhuhur of our Leader.

How about the Bohri-fication?

[Ali Fazel]

There are many Akhbari on Chia chats.   -  They do not believe in Taqleed.  Why would they believe in Wali-Amr Al-Muslameen.

The result of this poll cannot be considered  reliable.

Edited by Ali Fazel, 29 January 2010 - 09:41 AM.

[shiasoldier786]

Ali Fazel, on 29 January 2010 - 09:40 AM, said:

There are many Akhbari on Chia chats.   -  They do not believe in Taqleed.  Why would they believe in Wali-Amr Al-Muslameen.

The result of this poll cannot be considered  reliable.

Lets call it Akhbari-fication of shias

[LoneTears]

Salam!!!

Hope all are well.

I see a muslim who is trying to do his utmost to stand for opression against the opressed in the world. the only one who having the power to do so, is actually trying to follow a shias responsibility to the rest of the world.  Unfortunately the problem is, one thing we are very good at, is pulling people down when they are doing well.

What is wrong with a shia nation, wanting to be run by shias, striving for the return of our Imam a.t.f . Islam encapsulates everything in life, not accepting this is calling Islam incomplete, therefore, does it not just make logical sense to follow those who are recognized as the most learned by the governed in religious affairs? Surely this is for the betterment of the muslims?

Isnt the concept of Wilayat-ul-Faqih meant to be a presentation of the best possible thing we can do right now when we are not under the direct command and orders of our Imam? Or are we just suppose to sit back on our hands and cry out oppression and do nothing about who governs us and how we are governed.

Now I am not sure exactly which Dua it was but Maulana Sadiq Hasan was talking about a specific Dua in Ramadhan that we recite. He said that if we pray for wealth from Allah, and we sit home and do not actually work for that wealth to come, Allah will not help us either. We have to go out and work to earn that money and inshAllah Allah will increase what we get after we have made the effort. However, in this duas we are also praying for the betterment of society. Surely that means that we ourselves, aswell as prayers, have to go out and actively work for the betterment of society, otherwise Allah will not help us. So again, should we not be helping and promoting Wilayatul Faqih as it is trying to make an active attempt to better the standing of shias in the world.

Peace

[shabib_jaisi]

Ibrahim Nakhaee, on 29 January 2010 - 05:05 AM, said:

Please just go ahead and appoint the mullah of your liking, no one is stopping you. The world will see the results.

Don't worry.. the world always shouts when something threatens their interests.. so that hardly matters..
No one shouted for after effects of Holocaust or for Hiroshima.. and no one shouted for systematic oppression of Shias on Persian Gulf rim.. and Palestenians on the holy land of Al-Aqsa..

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Why are you guys so late with this idea and what has been stopping you anyway? 59 AH was like 1400 years ago, no?

Brush up your history of scholars.. This theory has been around since long.. but circumstances were not suitable.. btw read the history of Nawabs and Ulema in Lucknow after 1200 H... you will see a similar set up there..

And btw this started now at this grand scale as Imam Khomeini was able to theorize it so deeply and follow it up practically.. so i guess you need to blame Imam Khomeini for that.. if not please read his book on Islamic Government

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But anyway, by all means go ahead with it now. I only pray that your new regime doesn't start butchering all the Shia who don't give baya to your vice ameer-ul-
momineen scholar.

Don't worry.. no one is..  Even millions of Iranians who oppose Wilayat e Faqih are not dead..

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As for your mullah vs saint knowledge and fields debate, you're comparing a water pistol with a nuclear weapon. Enough said.

You very conveniently ignored my questions.. We need answers so as to let our Aql's decide whether its a water pistol or nuclear weapon.. I hope you would agree that i should use my Aql to decide it rather than surrender it blindly on your words ??

Iltemas e Dua

Edited by shabib_jaisi, 29 January 2010 - 12:02 PM.

[The Persian Shah]

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First, that's off-topic. Second, why should I? I couldn't care less about who others take to be their their Wali al-`Amr.

Rofl. Pure roflage..

[The Persian Shah]

Forgot to add: OWNED ..

[Darth Vader]

@Shabib: Why you constantly being so emo brother? There is a difference between the atheists and their conspiracies like the Green Movement which SHOULD be stopped instead of tolerated. Your leaders' inability in the face of it is making the world laugh at their incapacity to handle it while everyone knows its fake and powered by the Satan. And playing emo in the face of genuine criticism won't change anything. I've already told you to obey your shoora of scholars and empower your vice caliph. Rally behind him, etc. No one is stopping you and I guarantee that I won't stop it. More power to you and your chosen leader. Won't change a thing for me. As for the rest of your pointless questions, I can not spoon feed you what I know. No one invited me to it. I have my set of beliefs and you have yours.

[repenter]

Ibrahim Nakhaee, on 30 January 2010 - 03:18 AM, said:

@Shabib: Why you constantly being so emo brother? There is a difference between the atheists and their conspiracies like the Green Movement which SHOULD be stopped instead of tolerated. Your leaders' inability in the face of it is making the world laugh at their incapacity to handle it while everyone knows its fake and powered by the Satan. And playing emo in the face of genuine criticism won't change anything. I've already told you to obey your shoora of scholars and empower your vice caliph. Rally behind him, etc. No one is stopping you and I guarantee that I won't stop it. More power to you and your chosen leader. Won't change a thing for me. As for the rest of your pointless questions, I can not spoon feed you what I know. No one invited me to it. I have my set of beliefs and you have yours.

OOOOHHHH, now i get it. So because a leader is unable to fix a certain situation with munafeeghs he is incapable and not a good leader. Then i guess Imam Ali and Imam Hassan were incapable leaders too!!!!

You sir, have the worst analytical skills on shiachat,,,its official now!

I guess the term "your actions should be for the greater good" hasn´t popped to  your mind when it comes to Ayatollah Khamenei.

[comrade]

Put a 100% uncompromising "Yes"

To know Allah is to know the Prophet (s), to know the Prophet is to know his Ahlul-Bayt (a), and to know the Ahlul-Bayt (a) you have to know his righteous representatives.

Atheists and polytheists don't even begin the chain, Christians and Jews fail on the first part, Sunnis (especially Wahhabis) fail on the second part, and it seems there are a few Shias here who fall short on fulfilling their obligation to the third part. Which is extremely unfortunate.

Only those who take the chain to its fullest will be successful. For people who fall short on this straight path, they will go all over the place in different directions, and just reach dead ends.

[Darth Vader]

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OOOOHHHH, now i get it. So because a leader is unable to fix a certain situation with munafeeghs he is incapable and not a good leader. Then i guess Imam Ali and Imam Hassan were incapable leaders too!!!!

You sir, have the worst analytical skills on shiachat,,,its official now!

I guess the term "your actions should be for the greater good" hasn´t popped to your mind when it comes to Ayatollah Khamenei.

Can you even read and comprehend properly? I've already said I have no objections to his empowerment regardless of his leadership quality or the lack of it. Do you need a signed stamp paper from the courts or something? Sad thing is that you compare the mullahs to the Ahl al-bayt as if they are fulfilling their sunnah by tolerating the Green Movement. That's the weirdest thing I've read in a while. Is there an overwhelming army and a Muawiyah as leader in the Green movement? Are there all munafiqs who fall asleep as Khamenai tells them in the mosque to rise up and do something about the Green movement? And if there are then thats also a medal on your chest - the loyal followers. Did you steal from and abandon Khamenai as Kufis did to Imam Hassan so he has to abandon all efforts against the Green Movement? No wonder you've learnt about the Ahl al-bayt from their "most righteous representatives", the mullahs, that you give such astonishing comparisons between them like a 5 year old. Get your historical facts straight first. You can read it from a book. Compromise with the Satan when Islam is threatened was NOT acceptable to Imam Hussain . Simple as that. Politics is mullah's hobby alone.

But anyway, whats been taking your wali amr so long? Please tell him to rise up and take things into his own hands for the entire ummah. How many times do I have to repeat that sentence? As if its all depending on this kangaroo court and this childish debate on ShiaChat. As if something good will actually come out of it whenever this thing actually, if at all, happens. If you want to point out something then do it like men, stop complaining like little girls. Prove that you're today's standard bearing youth of Ghazi Abbas by being straight forward atleast. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but do prove me wrong. Tell the holy Wali Amr Al-muslimeen to come down from his cross and set the world on the straight path. He has my sincerest prayers for him. We'll have plenty of time to deal with the Green movement afterwards.

Edited by Ibrahim Nakhaee, 01 February 2010 - 11:34 AM.

[khalid786]

i personally don't believe any one can be wali-al amr, but then again, that is my opinion

[khalid786]

funny how we go from labbayk ya Allah to labbayk ya hussein to labbayk ya khamenei