fahim, on 11 September 2009 - 11:13 AM, said:
After reading the link provided by Macisaac ( could not read the one by fyst, cant read Arabic....) to be honest, my concept of Mu'tah has turned upside down.
As the narrations from(mostly) Abu Abdullah al Sadiq
convey, Mutah is highly recommended, so much so that in one narration it mentions 26 – And from Abu Basir that he mentioned to as-Sadiq عليه السلام: Mut`a, is it from the four? So he said: Marry from them a thousand.
Glad you read it. Going to our (authentic) sources directly is the only way to properly understand our religion, not relying on hearsay and second hand interpretations (often molded to suit what the speaker wants to believe, whether the religion actually says it or not).
As to the narrations. The first you have mentioned seems to be in the context of whether a mut`a wife would count as one of the four wives a man is allowed to marry at once (i.e. in polygamy). The response here would be no, she is not included in that, thus there is no limitation as such on how many you could legally marry (for example, say one already had four permanent wives, it would not thus mean that mut`a has become haram on him). Saying a thousand perhaps is a way of emphasizing on this point.
And by this isnad from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Musa b. `Ali b. Muhammad al-Hamdani from a man he named from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام[/b][b]. He said: There is not a man who does mut`a then does ghusl but that Allah crates from every drop (of water) that drops from him seventy angels who seek forgiveness for him until the day of qiyama, and who curse the avoider of it until the Hour rises. And this is but a little of a lot in this meaning.
I wonder if the meaning here would not be the one who simply has not done it, but the one who actively avoids doing it, say out of disdain and dislike towards it for instance.
If we take it literally, then it APPARENTLY amounts to promiscusious behaviour.
We aren't Christians. "kathratu 't-taruqa" (understood as an exp
ression for having many wives and/or much sexual intercourse) is a good thing in our faith, a sunna to follow.
Then say The thousand break of after the specified time of Mutah and do Mutah with someone else and this cycle continues............from modern Medicine we know STD's (sexually transmitted diseases) HIV-AIDS spread from promiscusious sexual behaviour, so..................
This would be more a danger in going with loose women, however read the hadiths 28-30 on that page.
For example, if i discuss it,with my fellow Medical professionals( aama(Sunni) or otherwise) , they will tear me into pieces on this, and thoroughly dissmiss it not only as unscientific but highly dangerous.
Like many Sunnis today, they would be ignorant of their own madhhab then and falling for the snares of modernism. In Sunnism (and in Shi`ism) one could legitimately buy a slave woman, have sex with her, and then sell her later on to someone else, etc. You could buy as many as you like, and then sell them to other people who in turn might have sex with them as well. So there's no real argument against multiple sexual partners as such. (the fiqh of this is another discussion in terms of the legal details and processes, but I'm bringing it up as a counter example)
Uptill now, my concept of Mutah was that it is allowed, eg for a person who is not in a position to marry, or an unmarried student having the danger of falling into unlawfull means, solidiers in jihad when away from their wifes etc etc. In these cases it appears 100% logical, but from the above narrations , to be honest i am a bit shaken.........
I know there must be a logical explination as well, since the narrations are from The Infallibles, but my feeble mind is not able to comprehend them, kindly explain............
I don't blame you on holding that view, as it is what we are often taught, but obviously I disagree with it and find it in contradiction with our sources themselves. I don't know when/where Muslims started getting this idea of being more prudish even than Victorians, but this mentality seems very foreign to that of what our religion teaches. For instance, read the narrations here about the love of women:
A man has desires. We were created that way, and having those desires is a good thing (e.g. for the survival of our species). Our religion is not one that forces us to shut them up and tuck them away into some unnatural state, rather it gives us the means to fulfill those desires but in a wholesome, legal manner with clear laws to act within. Unrestrained sexual intercourse is of course bad though on multiple levels (e.g. paternity and lineage, violating the rights of the guardian (whether the father of the virgin or the husband of the wife)). So, with mut`a, we have a legally controlled way to allow us to live with our nature, but not let it be so uncontrolled as to ruin us and thus society at large. In addition to that, there are other scenarios where having a mut`a can be of great advantage, even if there isn't sexual intercourse within it.