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[shahidsoldier786]

Do you guys think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is Shuaib Ibn Saleh. the name means virtuous/righteous/pious.Mahmoud Ahmadinejad always talks about Imam Al- Mahdi A.S. Could it be that Shuaib Ibn Saleh could be a metaphor to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Maybe Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's real name is Shuaib Ibn Saleh and his family probaly change it to be safe. I don't know. what do you think?

Salam

[Gamal Ali]

Mahmood Ahmadnijijad is just an ordinary man. Stop elevating him to the status of prophets or imams for crying out loud.

[maqnouteh]

salam

Why is everyone so bothered about prophecies and all these days? Just live your life as the Imams want you to and Inshallah when Imam ATF comes we'll be amongst his honourable soldiers.

All this hype about some prophecies and certain conspiracy theories seems to be driving some people to extreme levels of paranoia and isnt even helping their Iman.

Just remember to keep in mind all the time that everything that happens in this world is under Allah's jurisdiction. Therefore the most important thing for us to do is obey what he commands us to do and keep away from all that is forbidden. Avoid engaging in unnecessary speculation.

ws

[Republican]

maqnouteh, on Aug 2 2009, 05:27 PM, said:

salam

Why is everyone so bothered about prophecies and all these days? Just live your life as the Imams want you to and Inshallah when Imam ATF comes we'll be amongst his honourable soldiers.

All this hype about some prophecies and certain conspiracy theories seems to be driving some people to extreme levels of paranoia and isnt even helping their Iman.

Just remember to keep in mind all the time that everything that happens in this world is under Allah's jurisdiction. Therefore the most important thing for us to do is obey what he commands us to do and keep away from all that is forbidden. Avoid engaging in unnecessary speculation.

ws

I think the reason for this hype, is because there is a collective feeling that the Imam will appear soon real soon.
And I do not think that this hunch is baseless,
There are many indications that we are already living in the age of Appearance.

As for Nijjad being Shuaib bin Saleh, well I have no idea,
A book was distributed 2 years ago here in Lebanon by a source close to Hizbullah, mentioning all the 'Alamat (Signs) that have been fulfilled, one of them was that Nijjad is Shuaib bin Saleh.

My personal opinion is that, I think if Shuaib bin Saleh is already here, the masses wouldn't really know, I think he will try to keep a low profile, so that he doesn't get many unwanted attention,
Only God knows,

Peace

Edited by Republican, 02 August 2009 - 10:35 AM.

[Gamal Ali]

Yeah but Mahmood Ahmadinijad is not the harbinger of mahdi.

[SpIzo]

maqnouteh, on Aug 2 2009, 07:57 PM, said:

Just remember to keep in mind all the time that everything that happens in this world is under Allah's jurisdiction. Therefore the most important thing for us to do is obey what he commands us to do and keep away from all that is forbidden. Avoid engaging in unnecessary speculation.

Ahsant sis. That's what I've been telling the people too.

Brother(?) Republican, there is a possibility of hunches being wrong; so why engage in them in the first place? The more one engages in speculations, the higher is his expectation that the reappearance will happen in a certain way - which could make one disappointed or even reject the Imam (atf), if it doesn't.

Our duty is to be prepared for the Imam (atf) at all times, morning and night, even if the signs do not occur.

[Republican]

SpIzo, on Aug 2 2009, 06:32 PM, said:

Ahsant sis. That's what I've been telling the people too.

Brother(?) Republican, there is a possibility of hunches being wrong; so why engage in them in the first place? The more one engages in speculations, the higher is his expectation that the reappearance will happen in a certain way - which could make one disappointed or even reject the Imam (atf), if it doesn't.

Our duty is to be prepared for the Imam (atf) at all times, morning and night, even if the signs do not occur.

Sister SpIzo, you are absolutely correct,
Too much speculations will lead to confusion, confusion will make one stray.

When It is time, he will appear, not a moment too soon, not a moment too late.

P.S: yes I am a brother.

[aliadams]

Republican, on Aug 2 2009, 11:49 PM, said:

When It is time, he will appear, not a moment too soon, not a moment too late.

SO WHY ARE WE ASKING Allah SWT TO BRING FORWARD HIS RE-APPEARNCE THEN?

I believe there is a collective spiritual wakening taking place across all humanity not just shia and we are living in very interesting times.

If you disagree with 1433 = 2012 theories still you should not slam other for believing in them because maybe they have higher perception of reality then average people.

BTW what is ATF (I use 3Af am I wrong?)
Ali
God >

Edited by aliadams, 02 August 2009 - 01:59 PM.

[Republican]

aliadams, on Aug 2 2009, 09:57 PM, said:

SO WHY ARE WE ASKING Allah SWT TO BRING FORWARD HIS RE-APPEARNCE THEN?

I believe there is a collective spiritual wakening taking place across all humanity not just shia and we are living in very interesting times.

If you disagree with 1433 = 2012 theories still you should not slam other for believing in them because maybe they have higher perception of reality then average people.

BTW what is ATF (I use 3Af am I wrong?)
Ali
God >

There is an issue here, concerning asking Allah to Bring Forward his Appearance,
since I know that they ask us to call for his Faraj, yet at the same time, his time of Appearance is already set, and even if we ask or not, it wouldn't matter,

Maybe someone knowledgeable about this issue, can clear it out,

As I said in my previous post, I believe that there is a collective awakening about the Appearance of a Savior,
When he will appear I don't know,
I don't agree or disagree with you on 2012, and I definitely didn't slam others for believing in what they believe in,

I have read your research, and I believe you're on the right path, whether your calculations are correct or incorrect, I do not know,
but none the less, there is a Hadith from the prophet Mohamad, where he say (I'm paraphrasing here):

"The secrets of the holy books are in the Qur'an, and the secret of the Qur'an is in the Fatiha, and the secret of the Fatiha is in the Bismillah, and the secret of Bismillah is in the B, and Ali is the dot under the B"

Something like that, hope someone can get the exact hadith, I knew I have it somewhere in my library, but can't seem to find it lately.

Your research starts from the Fatiha, so I think you are on the right path, calculations aside, since I can't be the judge of that.

P.S: I don't know what ATF means :/
3AF << 3ajala Allah Farajahu(?)

[.InshAllah.]

Why would the Imams tell us all of these signs if they didn't want us to look out for them?  I don't see anything wrong with the OP - there's nothing wrong in trying to see if these prophecies are coming true.  Certain people are mentioned in the narrations, and we should keep an eye out for personalities that fit their descriptions.  Whether the characteristics of shuaib ibn saleh match those of any current pious leaders is an interesting question.

[SpIzo]

There's nothing wrong per se. But solely concentrating on the signs and trying to speculate that every Tom, Richard and Harry is Shuayb bin Salih or any other personality would lead to nothing but confusion and deception.

A few months back, according to the OP, Shuayb b. Salih was only known to and hidden by Sayyed Khamanei. .this is nothing but speculation.

I'd also add, that if a sign/prophecy is fulfilled, then it'd be as clear as day. People would not doubt it.

Edited by SpIzo, 02 August 2009 - 02:59 PM.

[skylight1]

^

sure people would doubt signs/prophecy when fulfilled -  a lot depends on the level of our Iman - what stage are we in our spiritual (including both individual and  social) development - if we are well developed, we'll recognize the signs, if not the signs may appear cloudy, hazy, or we may not notice 'em at all.

Edited by skylight1, 02 August 2009 - 03:12 PM.

[aliadams]

Republican, on Aug 3 2009, 03:39 AM, said:

I don't agree or disagree with you on 2012, and I definitely didn't slam others for believing in what they believe in,
Your research starts from the Fatiha, so I think you are on the right path, calculations aside, since I can't be the judge of that.

Salam brother Republican,

I didn't mean you by the slamming

As far as my calculations are concerned here is very short summary I have just posted on The Wake Up project:

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AsSalam Alaykum All,

All Praise to Allah I think I have been blessed with some inner knowledge of the Quran regarding the year 2012 but only Allah know The Truth.

What have been shown is as follows:

1. Chapter Al-Fatiha    really means   "The Key" (not Introduction)

2. The Key is built upon prime numbers as it has 7 verses, 29 words, and 139 letters all prime numbers and not any prime number but prime numbers with prime digit sums (7=7, 2+9=11, 1+3+9=13). Such prime numbers are called Additive Prime Numbers.
In case you don't know what prime numbers are, they are unlike odd numbers which cannot be divided equally by 2, prime numbers cannot be divided by any other number except themselves and 1, and God is ONE.

3. The sum of the digit sums 7+11+13=31 is also prime but not additive prime ... which suggests we are not done with this number yet as we shall see shortly in sha Allah.

4. Concatenating (joining side by side) the 7 29 139 left to right 729139 and right to left 139297 also gives additive primes. Subhaan Allah.

So how does all this relate to 2012? well let's continue the discovery journey then

5. One day I remembered that chapter The Merciful (Ar-Rahmaan) has many repetitions of a famous verse (“ÝóÈöÃóìøö ÁóÇáóÇٓÁö ÑóÈøößõãóÇ ÊõßóÐøöÈóÇäö” FabiAyee Aalaai Rabbikumaa Tukathibaan?) = (What other bounties of your Sustainer do you still belie?) so I started counting hoping it would be a prime number too, and indeed it was repeated 31 times (our number above so that closes the circle) at locations 13, 16, 18, ..., 77.

6. So I added them and got:
13 + 16 + 18 + 21 + 23 + 25 + 28 + 30 + 32 + 34 + 36 + 38 + 40 + 42 + 45 + 47 + 49 + 51 + 53 + 55 + 57 + 59 + 61 + 63 + 65 + 67 + 69 + 71 + 73 + 75 + 77 =  1433

which is a prime with prime digit sum too 1+4+3+3=11 so it is an additive prime, so no further calculations or links are needed.

7. After few days of joy that additive primes must be The Key, and out of the blue, I noticed my Pocket PC displaying the Hijri year 1429AH and immediately knew 1433 is a reference to the Hijri year 1433AH which is 2012AD.

8. But most people I speak to accuse me of jumping to conclusion that are not there.

9. So to help me out, Allah swt showed me another sign. While on a flight from China to the UAE, I asked the person sitting next (Muslim from Mali) to me to count how many repeated verses there are and instead he misunderstood me and started counting the words of The Merciful chapter. I corrected him, he found 31 I told him about summing the verse numbers to 1433 which is 1433 AH which corresponds to 2012 and we were happy and end of story and tried to get some sleep. Then I immediately went back to my PocketPC and started counting the words myself (because I know that nothing happens by chance and may Allah was trying to show me something) and the nearer I got to the end the more I had a feeling I will get 365 words for a year sign, but was disappointed to have got only 355 including BismAllah. I recounted and the same 355 words.

Then I remembered we are dealing here with Hijri years which are Lunar years (moon-based calculation) and I knew that a lunar year is about 11 days shorter then a solar year but that only makes it 354 days long not 355. So I launched my Hijri calendar and started counting the number of days in the year 1433AH and Glory to Allah there were 355 days exactly (30+29+30+30+29+30+30+29+30+29+30+29 = 355 days).

10. The all fell into place for not only the number 1433 refers to a year but each word of The Merciful chapter maps to a day in the year 1433AH.

For full details of all calculations and what “might” take place in 2012 please download the following summaries or the complete booklet asking you kindly consider giving to people, animals, and plants near you clean air, water, food, medicine, clothes, etc. and send sincere greetings to our beloved Prophet Mohammed and his progeny may Allah’s blessings be upon them all. For Allah is the only Giver and rewards go in circles of π.

Downloads:
  Complete Book  : http://www.savefile.com/files/2168167
  Arabic Summary : http://www.savefile.com/files/2168987
  English Summary: http://www.savefile.com/files/2168989

Ali Adams
God > infinity

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And I think every real Muslim who cares about the Quran should verify them to his own satisfaction and possibly find more miracles and help us all.

I don’t want people to feel this is Ali Adams' things and we only sit idle watch from the sideline or worse slam him for every prediction he brings forward as this is haram.

If we really care, WE ALL should start a real project (not just talking) to investigate the additive primes in the Quran and how can the letters of the Quran be connected with prime gaps possibly to get into new knowledge for all humanity.

Notice I never keep any thing secret in case I die this very moment so other can resume where I left or even work in parallel. I hope.

Emirates New Agency asked me to patent my findings and I immediately said NO NO NO this is knowledge from Allah to His people and I DON'T MIND IF OTHER CLAIM IT IS THEIRS as long as we get some hidden knowledge God willing.

If pisses me off to beg for people to read my booklet, and these are Muslims and Shia too.
How are we supposed to spread Islam in the Digital Age to non-Muslims if we keep fighting instead of uniting behind something really really really noble and sincere AND worth it too.

As I always say: Al-Hamdu liAllah for everything, even being condemed to Hell as Allah just and I would have deserved it.

Glory to the Sustainer of all worlds Seen and Unseen in real-time, all the time.

Ali
God > infinity

[shiasoldier786]

Taking out a few miraculous suras in the Holy Quran with relation to prime numbers, interpreting numbers the way you want, making some next calculations, than more speculation, and using the mayan fairytale to further this 2012 conspiracy

[aliadams]

shiasoldier786, on Aug 3 2009, 04:39 AM, said:

Taking out a few miraculous suras in the Holy Quran with relation to prime numbers, interpreting numbers the way you want, making some next calculations, than more speculation, and using the mayan fairytale to further this 2012 conspiracy

Salam brother and may God forgive you.

Ignore all the prime numbers and think of one Verse only. The Merciful Verse thta repeats 31 time in the Merciful chapter. Ignore that 31 is a prime, it is just a number.

Then you have 31 verse numbers. What do YOU do with that?
I summed them because I am adding likes with likes all verse numbers unlike some who add 7 verses, 29 words and 139 letter and say oh look 175 is not prime so your theory falls on its head.

Again forget about primes totally as they just function like checksums to say that you are on the right road.

So adding these 31 verse numbers which is like adding apples to apples and even of the same green color because we are talking about the SAME VERSE here, I got 1433. A NUMBER that may or may not represent the year.

But then when the chapter has the same number of words as a lunar/Hijri year THEN that my dear brother and sister a BIG sign from Allah swt the 1433 is a year and is a Hijri year and not any Hijri year because some Hijri years have 354 day whereas the number of words of The Merciful chapter are 355, so it is definitely the Hijri year 1433 AH for it will in sha Allah have 355 days.

This gives me 31 events of 4-day each ALL prior to the Mayan calendar of 21-12-2012. OK?

Enough said and may Allah guide us to the Right Path soon before it is too late using with prime numbers and not any prime numbers but additive prime numbers. See the movie CONTACT (1997 Jodie Foster) and you will understand why primes are such universal language Allah uses to contact Jinn and Man.

Salam to all

Ali
God >

[Trumpet]

No offense, but I don't think much of these numbers and this contemplating of humans who are trying to understand something that is incomprehensible.

Edited by Trumpet, 02 August 2009 - 10:26 PM.

[labbaik_khamenai]

2+2+5= 9
9*2 = 18
18-9= 9

2+1 = 3

9-3 =                              SIX


5*10 = 50

10*3 =30
50-30 = 20

20-14 =                    SIX


1, 9 , 8 , 5  = SIX , SIX , 1985 , 06/06/1985 - Oh its my brothers Bday . It worked !


Peace

[aliadams]

Trumpet, on Aug 3 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

No offense, but I don't think much of these numbers and this contemplating of humans who are trying to understand something that is incomprehensible.

Salaamaaaa...

labbaik_khamenai, on Aug 3 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

2+2+5= 9
9*2 = 18
18-9= 9
2+1 = 3
9-3 =                              SIX
5*10 = 50
10*3 =30
50-30 = 20
20-14 =                    SIX
1, 9 , 8 , 5  = SIX , SIX , 1985 , 06/06/1985 - Oh its my brothers Bday . It worked !
Peace

Even more Salaamaaaa...

[labbaik_khamenai]

Whats Salaamaaa.. ?



Sorry for this .. but Have the Imams or the prophet mentioned anything about Talibans in the hadiths ?

Pecae

[aliadams]

Whoever doubts that chapter Al-Fatiha is the key to unlock the secrets of the remaining 113 chapter of the Quran is BLIND.

Whoever doubts prime numbers are the Key is ignorant of their importance that a million dollar prize is offered by The Clay Institute for whoeven can solve their mystery.

Whoever adds/divides numbers randomly is KAFIR or MUNAFIQ choose what you like.

I say this and Allah is The Witness and The Judge between us.

For all we we may be on a quest to finds the "Open Seseme" fomula to say the magic words and open the door for Imam Mehdi (3Af) to come out.  Allah swt is showing us signs we must follow so as to awake to such level that we deserve the coming of our savious (3Af).

Go back to sleep ya ummat Muhammed.

Ali Adams
God > infinity

Edited by aliadams, 03 August 2009 - 01:53 AM.

[Trumpet]

Wow, you have left me speechless..

[labbaik_khamenai]

aliadams, on Aug 3 2009, 07:45 AM, said:

Whoever doubts the chapter Al-Fatiha is the key to unlock the secrets of the remaining 113 chapter of the Quran is BLIND.

Whoever doubts prime numbers are the Key is ignorant of their importance that a million dollar prize is offered by The Clay Institute for whoeven can solve their mystery.

Whoever adds/divides numbers randomly is KAFIR or MUNAFIQ chose what you like.

I say this and Allah is The Witness and The Judge between us.

For all we we may be on a quest to finds the "Open Seseme" fomula to say the magic words and open the door for Imam Mehdi (3Af) to come out.  Allah swt is showing us signs we must follow so as to awake to such level that we deserve the coming of our savious (3Af).

Go back to sleep ya ummat Muhammed.

Ali Adams
God > infinity

Errrnmm , thanks for giving me two options .. Can I pick Kafir please ?- lol

Secondly , bro Numerology has been proven wrong .. If every thing works on number .. then why take the pain of reciting Surahs in Namaz.. Why cant we start our namaz by saying 786 ( Bismillah) and then 2827 ( I dont know the exact number for Surah Alhumd , but yeh just say 2827 for Surah Alhumd) then move on to Surah Innna Anzalna by saying 28272 ...

We can further recite the whole quran every day by saying a few numbers such as 20929302930 and there you go , the whole quran has been recited ... bruv , dont even think about proving anything through numerology ...

This guy Shabbir Aly from Canada came to my Uni to prove the existence of God through numbers ... and none of us were convinced , infact we were laughing at him

Peace

[aliadams]

Trumpet, on Aug 3 2009, 02:48 PM, said:

Wow, you have left me speechless..

So will you please go and see how the first thing prime numbers uncovered is helped us separate the 113 chapters (I call The Message) from The Key (Al-Fatiha) and how the first application of this is there are 113 chemical elements (even if science pretends to have more) and their abundance in the Universe is proportional to the number of verse in each Message chapter. See graph of measured abundance against what Allah suggests in the Quran (somewhere in my booklet under The Message).

Salam to all.

Ali
PS: Salaamaaa.. is said to those who are ignorant, sorry I just hope you were asleep and now wide awake in sha Allah.

labbaik_khamenai, on Aug 3 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

Errrnmm , thanks for giving me two options .. Can I pick Kafir please ?- lol
Secondly , bro Numerology has been proven wrong .. If every thing works on number .. then why take the pain of reciting Surahs in Namaz.. Why cant we start our namaz by saying 786 ( Bismillah) and then 2827 ( I dont know the exact number for Surah Alhumd , but yeh just say 2827 for Surah Alhumd) then move on to Surah Innna Anzalna by saying 28272 ...
We can further recite the whole quran every day by saying a few numbers such as 20929302930 and there you go , the whole quran has been recited ... bruv , dont even think about proving anything through numerology ...
This guy Shabbir Aly from Canada came to my Uni to prove the existence of God through numbers ... and none of us were convinced , infact we were laughing at him
Peace

Numerology is Kabala and preIslam
Primology is Quranic and intended for unlocking the secrets of the Message.
Plus the word Allah  has apimalogy value of 269 which is prime and has prime digit sums too (2+6+9=17) so it additve prime.

THIS IS NEW AND BASED ON AL-FATIHA.
And Allah know best
Ali

[aliadams]

labbaik_khamenai, on Aug 3 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

Errrnmm , thanks for giving me two options .. Can I pick Kafir please ?- lol

Secondly , bro Numerology has been proven wrong .. If every thing works on number .. then why take the pain of reciting Surahs in Namaz.. Why cant we start our namaz by saying 786 ( Bismillah) and then 2827 ( I dont know the exact number for Surah Alhumd , but yeh just say 2827 for Surah Alhumd) then move on to Surah Innna Anzalna by saying 28272 ...

We can further recite the whole quran every day by saying a few numbers such as 20929302930 and there you go , the whole quran has been recited ... bruv , dont even think about proving anything through numerology ...

This guy Shabbir Aly from Canada came to my Uni to prove the existence of God through numbers ... and none of us were convinced , infact we were laughing at him

Peace

By the way Kafir means you know the truth and you want to cover it for a desire inside your selfish self.
If you want to know if you are kafir or not, ask yourself this question:

"If I found that chapter Al-Fatiha has prime verses prime words and prime letters, and I know how important prime numbers are, would I ignore it or not???"

No choice of Ignorant here. Either Kafir or Munafiq. Take you pick or sit up and learn and don't make fun of other who sincerely trying to teach you something.

If you wish to debate it point by point I will have the pleasure and have all time for everybody to come a challenge the significant of my findings. If I ever add apples and oranges then you and other would have a point. This is not a personality context. It is trying to establish a new Quranic science.

Anyhow, we are just under 2 and half years from 7th January 2012 so keep a copy handy of my booklet in case you need it for survival

Ali
God >

[labbaik_khamenai]

aliadams, on Aug 3 2009, 08:11 AM, said:

By the way Kafir means you know the truth and you want to cover it for a desire inside your selfish self.
If you want to know if you are kafir or not, ask yourself this question:

"If I found that chapter Al-Fatiha has prime verses prime words and prime letters, and I know how important prime numbers are, would I ignore it or not???"

No choice of Ignorant here. Either Kafir or Munafiq. Take you pick or sit up and learn and don't make fun of other who sincerely trying to teach you something.

If you wish to debate it point by point I will have the pleasure and have all time for everybody to come a challenge the significant of my findings. If I ever add apples and oranges then you and other would have a point. This is not a personality context. It is trying to establish a new Quranic science.

Anyhow, we are just under 2 and half years from 7th January 2012 so keep a copy handy of my booklet in case you need it for survival

Ali
God >

20+12 = 2012 divided by 2827 times 2827 = 2012

Whats on 7th Jan 2012 ?.. I'd rather learn from the books of Mutahiri which are based on logic and not numerology .. lol and why you getting personal man.. take a chill pill dude

Peace