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[shiasoldier786]

bandekhoda, on 21 April 2010 - 07:00 PM, said:

none of the ones who destroyed properties and cars were mousavi supporters. they are the hooligans who are always looking for an opportunity to cause chaos.

there are people who genuinely believe the election was rigged, but are also strong followers of the revolution. their "connection to CIA and israel" is all khamenei talking...

Lets not forget, peaceful protests were allowed at first. Ayatollah Khamenei (HA) also asked the Guardians Council to investigate all of the claims made by Mousavi. The Guardians Council moreover invited Mousavi and Karroubi to attend a meeting, where the issues would be discussed, but they didnt attend; they probably knew how pathetic the claims of fraud were, so I assume they decided to stay at home instead of making fools of themselves.

Most of the people accepted the reality, but there were a minority who refused to do so, and got violent on streets. Buildings, busses, cars and homes were put on fire by these protestors, and civilians were killed. Thereafter, Imam Khamenei (HA) ruled the protests to be illegal, and the security forces than started to clamp down on them.  

bandekhoda, on 21 April 2010 - 07:33 PM, said:

people did not need to see a utube video on BBC to find out that a woman was shot, another beaten, another pushed off a bridge, etc etc. they were THERE. that's what triggered a reaction!

Here is the ''Neda story''.

Extracts from several articles I came across... I had posted this earlier...

To start off, there is what appears to be two different Nedas (photos of two different women supposedly her), and (currently) a question of any independent source identifying Neda as a real person.

Then, Neda was said to have been shot by a member of the Basij, an officially sanctioned vigilante organization.

And yet, as they are not police or military, most Basiji are not permitted to carry firearms except for special requirements and when not in actual combat?

And then, why would they pick out a non-protesting woman, 1km from where the protests were occuring, just stepping out of a car for a few minutes. And, how did anyone even know it was a Basiji, since it was claimed to be from a unseen sniper on an adjacent building. (AND IF IT WAS A BASIJI THAT GOT CAUGHT, AS CLAIMED, THAN QUITE SURPRISING NOBODY RECORDED THAT, WHILST THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT VIDEOS OF NEDA)

Moving now to the video . . .

For the massive injury she supposedly sustained, a direct bullet shot to the center of her chest, I have to wonder, where is all the blood that would be coming from her torso or her back onto the ground, it should have been everywhere, including the spot where they are trying to give her CPR, all over their hands and her clothing, and a huge pool on the ground. Yet the only pool of blood appears to be at her feet before she falls down.

Then, most curious . . .

Shortly into the video, we see blood coming from her mouth. She is not sputtering it out, or coughing it up, as in an inability to breathe. Rather it appears rapidly and self flowing, and runs down both sides of her mouth, almost exclusively. Her center teeth aren’t even stained.

Shortly thereafter blood appears to pour out her right nostril . . . Looking carefully in the video, it appears that both the mouth and nostril bleed occurs right after a hand is seen pushing up onto or into them.

These flow patterns appear more to be from a blood bladder timed for rupture when the camera was in the correct position. And the nose bleed appears only after what appears to be a rapid slight-of-hand insertion of blood into her nose.

Conveniently, an anonymous doctor was on hand to provide the CPR, and to try to save her life, provide credible medical testimony, then disappear from the scene.

Now I am nitpicking, but this video was supposedly shot with a cellphone videocam. It really seems a bit too high quality for that, more like a DV camcorder.

And then, there is the almost too perfect backstory of Neda, preceding the shooting and in preparation to go to the protests - her supposed repeated prescient commentary about any danger there, was a flippant “Don’t worry. It’s just one bullet and it’s over”, and that “Neda had said that even if she lost her life and got a bullet in her heart, she would carry on”.

Of course, we find out that she was not really political and had no intention of active protesting, only that she was passionate about the honesty of the election process, and wanted to be there to see. Her fiancee said she “studied philosophy, music and tourism, was not political”, i.e. principled, but thoroughly inoffensive.

Then on followup, there is the extreme rapid nature of her burial; no wake, or prefuneral proceedings, no Imam attending, or even pictures/video of that proceeding?

We now hear unsubstantiated reports that the Iranian government has banned any memorials or gatherings in her name, which conveniently explains why there is a dearth of public involvement in her very public death.

I don’t want to bust anyone’s bubble, but there seems to be too many “just right” elements to this story.


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Dr Arash Hejazi, a publishing student and medical doctor at Oxford Brookes university, had arrived only two days prior to Neda’s death and left the day after anxious to tell the story to the British media of an innocent woman being shot by a Baseej militiaman – this despite the fact that the Baseej never ever carry firearms outside of military compounds (they use sticks, chains and other household items).

The media has since accepted his testimony uncritically, in particular Times of London correspondent Martin Fletcher, who has been nothing short of an obsessed anti-regime propagandist in the wake of the June election. Indeed, Dr Hejazi changed his story early on – he had initially claimed that the assailant was a rooftop sharpshooter [7], but later said that Neda was shot by a man on a motorcycle [8].

Anyone with even a measure of circumspection would be suspicious of Dr Hejazi’s actions and motives as well as his possible involvement with British intelligence which regularly approaches Iranian students and residents in the UK to serve as informers in Iran. Yet, he is hailed as the “man who heroically tried to save” a bleeding Neda (although there is very little to show for it).

bandekhoda, on 22 April 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

not being a ma'soom is one thing, being pure evil is another.

May Allah (swt) forgive you.

bandekhoda, on 22 April 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

why do you think the islamic revolution is under threat now?

So the Zionist have made you believe. Talk about a so called collapse of the reigime has been there for the past 30 years. I wouldnt get my expectations high if I was you.

bandekhoda, on 22 April 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

they always want people to question them???? LOOOOOOOOOL! when was the last time you read the news on iran? do you know Ahmad Zeiadabadi is in prison for saying "magham e rahbari" instead of "magham e moazzam e rahbari"?

Thanks for making a fool of yourself here...

[DoubleAgent4]

These are the videos I watched:
Neda Soltan´s Death was a Fake - The Proof (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=24v9S7n9P-o

Neda Soltan´s Death was a Fake - The Proof (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.c...kipcontrinter=1

and in another thread this is what my reply was:

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I watched the videos... In the video it says that her Music teacher was involved too. I don't understand. Unless Neda let him in on the plan... Wasn't any of her family aware of anything? Out of everyone she would let her Music teacher on the plan? Wouldn't that be a bit risky? Also, where is the music teacher now? If this was planned then it's not like Neda was planning to actually die so what would have been the outcome? Where's the proof that she was shot by Hejazi and the Music teacher. Did they find the Bullet? I didn't understand the end of the video. She was taken in a car and....? If they did find the bullet then how would I be able to trust the Iranian News... for all I know they could say anything to back themselves up. The video was good but I can't accept what one side has said. Two videos don't proof anything. There needs to be months of research made before you can make up your mind. One of the reasons why you can easily accept this story if because Seyyed Khamenei has said that the Neda story is fake. One of the reasons why I can't fully accept this story is that the other things that the government have done have made me suspicious of them.... this story could indeed be fake and If their was solid proof to prove this then I would willingly believe it. It still wouldn't make me pro-government.

BTW where was Seyyed Khamenei when the protests first broke out after Ahmadenejad was elected... he didn't made an appearance straight away... Just something I noticed which was a bit off topic but anyhow maybe I didn't fully understand the video and its contents... At the end of the day the one involved of her death will be revealed and punished. Another theory: What if Hejazi was hired by the Government to kill Neda so that the blame would be put on the West. The government could be hiding him. You never know. I don't trust anyone but my own eyes. What did the witnesses have to say. Noone has spoken about them??

Wasalam.

I wonder...

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they always want people to question them???? LOOOOOOOOOL! when was the last time you read the news on iran? do you know Ahmad Zeiadabadi is in prison for saying "magham e rahbari" instead of "magham e moazzam e rahbari"?

The people of Iran are oblivious of their surroundings due to the fact that the only news they watch is the biased Jam-e-Jam ones. The government are too quick to catch Ziadabadi out but when other important issues such as murders being taken place they're suddenly wimps. Political people are are secured firmly in Prison whereas murderers can escape more freely. I'm not saying all the prisons abuse these people but this is one of the harsh realities of the government...

[bandekhoda]

baradar_jackson, on 22 April 2010 - 02:33 PM, said:

Minorities are not necessarily impotent. A Sunni minority ruled over Iraq for decades.

Minorities can be very politically relevant (and large). The fact that force is needed to suppress the voice of a minority does not mean that they are any less of a minority.

the sunni minority in iraq were ruling, the green minority in iran are normal people. the sunni minority in iraq had an army behind it, the green minority in iran has Sepah Pasdaran, Basij, and Artesh AGAINST it. the sunni minority in iraq was in charge of the media and all the publications, the green minority in iran has only a bunch of closed/banned newspapers. there is a huge difference between the powerful sunni minority in iraq, and the powerless green minority in iran.
the force used to suppress must be proportionate to the power of the opposition! here is an analogy of what happened in iran.. a son swore at his father (for whatever reason), the father beat his son, strangled him, and then killed him...!!!

baradar_jackson, on 22 April 2010 - 02:33 PM, said:

But there is a concept of doing wrong for greater good. For example, it is acceptable to deceive and distort if something is a matter of national security.

the end does not justify the means. ask your marja. or at least give me one example of an Imam or their companions doing this. I can give you many which suggests otherwise.

baradar_jackson, on 22 April 2010 - 02:33 PM, said:

Real anger, yes. But a fake source.

even if the source of anger was as you say -fake-, it is a still a basic human right to want to voice that anger.

baradar_jackson, on 22 April 2010 - 02:33 PM, said:

Look at our history and you will see the legitimacy in that claim.

Look at what the policymakers in the West are saying and you will see the legitimacy in that claim.

It is no secret that they have been trying to undermine the government of the IRI for years. Surely you understand that.

i'm not denying the fact that iran has enemies.. what i'm saying is we should not associate EVERY opposition in our country to THEM. that is exactly what prevents the leaders from hearing the criticisms of their own people. even khamenei said it has not been proven to him that mousavi and karoubi had relations with the "enemy"!

[DoubleAgent4]

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This has been an unfortunate hijacking of this thread from what's its original purpose was.  Has anyone even bothered to read the OP of this thread?

No, sorry.

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Stop listening to Western propaganda people.

Not all of it is Western Propaganda.

Edited by Hawraa29, 24 April 2010 - 01:37 PM.

[bandekhoda]

Hawraa29, on 22 April 2010 - 02:56 PM, said:

Noone on this forum believed me when I said how can he justify killing innocent people or raping political prisoners! These are the threads where I shared my views on: http://www.shiachat....volution-day/

Edited by bandekhoda, 24 April 2010 - 01:44 PM.

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bandekhoda, on 24 April 2010 - 01:43 PM, said:

I haven't had the time to read all of the threads, but some of the replies are very interesting.. .
"you are mistaken"
"basij does not carry guns"
"avoid fitna at all costs"
and the funniest of all "Basijis are there to protect all people from violence and crime" LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!


don't worry, I have yet to come across an ahmadinejad supporter who knows how to have a discussion without being offensive.

LOL. You are so right because i even wrote in my posts i hope i haven't offended anyone but they have the cheek to get offensive to me. Everything to them is either Western Propaganda or fitna. People should open their eyes to the realities of their Government although I am not totally against their ' near perfect, almost infallible Government'

[bandekhoda]

shiasoldier786, on 22 April 2010 - 05:15 PM, said:

Lets not forget, peaceful protests were allowed at first.

you are not talking to an idiot here. at NO point after the elections were the protests allowed.

shiasoldier786, on 22 April 2010 - 05:15 PM, said:

Ayatollah Khamenei (HA) also asked the Guardians Council to investigate all of the claims made by Mousavi. The Guardians Council moreover invited Mousavi and Karroubi to attend a meeting, where the issues would be discussed, but they didnt attend; they probably knew how pathetic the claims of fraud were, so I assume they decided to stay at home instead of making fools of themselves.

1- I too would not trust a Guardian Council whom its members had publicly expressed their support for ahmadinejad before the election.
2- yes some of their claims was pathetic, like when mousavi started listing counts of fraud ahmadinejad had done BEFORE the election while he was the president!! if he knew these beforehand he shouldn't have took part in the election.

shiasoldier786, on 22 April 2010 - 05:15 PM, said:

Most of the people accepted the reality, but there were a minority who refused to do so, and got violent on streets. Buildings, busses, cars and homes were put on fire by these protestors, and civilians were killed. Thereafter, Imam Khamenei (HA) ruled the protests to be illegal, and the security forces than started to clamp down on them.  

like I said, they were hooligans, not protesters. do you think the hooligans would have been able to burn down cars and buildings if the government had allowed peaceful protests with the presence of guards?

shiasoldier786, on 22 April 2010 - 05:15 PM, said:

Here is the ''Neda story''.

I specifically did not mention any names in that post to avoid unnecessary discussion about individual cases. what matters is that innocent people were killed, and whether you believe IRI killed them, or hooligans or mujahideen, the blame is still on the government for not being able to protect them.

shiasoldier786, on 22 April 2010 - 05:15 PM, said:

May Allah (swt) forgive you.

inshallah

shiasoldier786, on 22 April 2010 - 05:15 PM, said:

So the Zionist have made you believe. Talk about a so called collapse of the reigime has been there for the past 30 years. I wouldnt get my expectations high if I was you.

I wouldn't prejudge others if i were you...

shiasoldier786, on 22 April 2010 - 05:15 PM, said:

Thanks for making a fool of yourself here...

its not my fault your source of information is rajanews!

Edited by bandekhoda, 24 April 2010 - 02:28 PM.

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its not my fault your source of information is rajanews!

Never heard of that.. lets not forget to mention Press TV and Jam-e-Jam!

[bandekhoda]

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The people of Iran are oblivious of their surroundings due to the fact that the only news they watch is the biased Jam-e-Jam ones. The government are too quick to catch Ziadabadi out but when other important issues such as murders being taken place they're suddenly wimps. Political people are are secured firmly in Prison whereas murderers can escape more freely. I'm not saying all the prisons abuse these people but this is one of the harsh realities of the government...

about 80 political prisoners captured within days after the election.. and I'm still waiting for khamenei to fulfil his promise and catch the people behind the tehran uni attack.

another thing I have noticed is, in iran, if a prisoner confesses to having done a crime, they are free to go (e.g. Abtahi, Atrianfar), but if they don't confess they remain in prison. it's ridiculous! shouldn't a person -they claim- committed a crime serve his sentence!?

Edited by bandekhoda, 24 April 2010 - 02:26 PM.

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bandekhoda, on 24 April 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

about 80 political prisoners captured within days after the election.. and I'm still waiting for khamenei to fulfil his promise and catch the people behind the tehran uni attack.

another thing I have noticed is, in iran, if a prisoner confesses to having done a crime, they are free to go (e.g. Abtahi, Atrianfar), but if they don't confess they remain in prison. it's ridiculous! shouldn't a person -they claim- committed a crime serve his sentence!?

That's double standards for you... These are just one of many unfulfilled promises. Lets just hope he sticks to his word this time.

[bandekhoda]

Hawraa29, on 24 April 2010 - 02:11 PM, said:

Never heard of that.. lets not forget to mention Press TV and Jam-e-Jam!

at least press tv and jame jam have SOME elements of truth in their news. rajanews has NONE!
it's upsetting since they are using the name of shahid Rajayi, and funny since shahid Rajayi's wife is one of the greens!

[DoubleAgent4]

bandekhoda, on 24 April 2010 - 02:32 PM, said:

at least press tv and jame jam have SOME elements of truth in their news. rajanews has NONE!
it's upsetting since they are using the name of shahid Rajayi, and funny since shahid Rajayi's wife is one of the greens!

Yes true say. I've never heard of Rajanews... Is it an Iranian based news?

[bandekhoda]

Hawraa29, on 24 April 2010 - 02:34 PM, said:

Yes true say. I've never heard of Rajanews... Is it an Iranian based news?

yes. http://www.rajanews.com/

[Basra]

The fairy tale of "Neda" is certainly Western CIA and Zionist propaganda. This was from the plans and propaganda of the US and Bush particularly; as for years before the 2009 elections in Iran the US had been working on propaganda. The US government (and CIA) spent around an estimated $400 million in so-called "black operations" to destabilize Iran and try to do a coup (i.e. regime change); from ABC's Brian Ross:

http://blogs.abcnews...authorizes.html

The US and Zionists don't care at all about this alleged "Neda" person anyway she is just propaganda for them, the Zionists and US kill thousands in Gaza (mostly defenseless women and children) and don't bat an eye. Also especially in the West oppression and killings of protesters, African-Americans, and any other resister is crushed (and deaths to occur).

http://en.wikipedia....i/Ian_Tomlinson (in England G-20 protest, Ian Tomlinson killed by British police)



http://www.infowars....never-show-you/ (police brutality against protesters at G-20 in Pittsburgh in 2009)

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Rodney_King (Going back a little bit US police brutality against African-American motorist Rodney King) and tons of these examples of US police brutality (mostly against blacks) could be brought.



Also in Iran the small CIA backed "protests" were violent riots that torched banks, buses, etc.

Edited by Basra, 26 April 2010 - 02:04 PM.

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Quranic Order to fight Fitna and Destroy it Completely or till they do TAUBA from their Fitna

bandekhoda, on 24 April 2010 - 01:37 PM, said:

the sunni minority in iraq were ruling, the green minority in iran are normal people. the sunni minority in iraq had an army behind it, the green minority in iran has Sepah Pasdaran, Basij, and Artesh AGAINST it. the sunni minority in iraq was in charge of the media and all the publications, the green minority in iran has only a bunch of closed/banned newspapers. there is a huge difference between the powerful sunni minority in iraq, and the powerless green minority in iran.
the force used to suppress must be proportionate to the power of the opposition! here is an analogy of what happened in iran.. a son swore at his father (for whatever reason), the father beat his son, strangled him, and then killed him...!!!

But if it is sure that SON is today ABUSING and tomorrow he will become such Bad Person that it is going to kill the whole Family and many many others too, then better Destroy this Fitna today.

The so called Green Minority got the US at it's back, the whole JEWISH Media at it's back, the ARAB Wahabi Media at it's back.

I know you will not cry NO NO NO, it was not like that. But reality is this that US/JEWS/Wahabies were using the Green Minority and we all saw how they were destroying the Public properties, and how enemies of Islam using all this.

It is undeniable fact that Greens Leader wanted to solve the Dispute on the Streets of Iran instead of solving it according to the Law and Courts were there for Justice. But fact is the Green Minority DENIED THE RULE OF LAW and the SYSTEM. And if you try to created FITNA against the LAW, then you will naturally meet the Law enforcing Agencies like Baseej, Pasdaran and police.

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by BandaeKhuda:

the end does not justify the means. ask your marja. or at least give me one example of an Imam or their companions doing this. I can give you many which suggests otherwise.

You people still have not got the Lesson from Imam's Ali FULL Killing and Destroying of Khawarij Muslims. So much so that he killed almost ALL of them, except for 5-6 Khawarij who succeeded in escaping the death. And one of them was Ibn Muljim who later killed Imam Ali .

Now you will say that Green Minority is not Khawarij. But revolting against Law and System is same between Khawarij and Green Movement and both of them caused the loss of innocent blood .... and finally strong steps were taken against both and thus their Fitna stopped and didn't cause any more damage.

You have the right to Protest, you have the right to go to the COURTS, you people won when Khatami was there, ... but in case of Ahmadinejaad, you people went NUTS and you denied the SYTEM and LAW, which is unacceptable.

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by BandaeKhuda:

even if the source of anger was as you say -fake-, it is a still a basic human right to want to voice that anger.

This anger should stay in LIMITS.

If it goes beyond limits, then it cause damage to Government and Public properties and Interests, .... and it is a fact that due to Foolishness of Green Minority, Iran became weaker and Enemies like Jews and Wahabies were able to present Iran Islamic System as Evil thing. Now tell me please, could you DENY this fact?

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by bandaekhuda:

i'm not denying the fact that iran has enemies.. what i'm saying is we should not associate EVERY opposition in our country to THEM. that is exactly what prevents the leaders from hearing the criticisms of their own people. even khamenei said it has not been proven to him that mousavi and karoubi had relations with the "enemy"!

You see even the Leader know it very well that Mausovi and Karoubi have no Direct relations with Enemy. But Khawarij also had no connections with Muawiyyah, but still they became fitna by denying the System and Law. Same has been done by Mausavi and Karoubi and they have caused much more damage to Iran than has been caused by Jews and Wahabies.

I just hope and pray you understand this point.

[bandekhoda]

Salams,
I thought you had abandoned your own thread!

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But if it is sure that SON is today ABUSING and tomorrow he will become such Bad Person that it is going to kill the whole Family and many many others too, then better Destroy this Fitna today.

Isn't this what the Bush Doctrine says? preventive war in order to avoid future threats? weren't the whole of Islamic nation against this ideology?

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The so called Green Minority got the US at it's back, the whole JEWISH Media at it's back, the ARAB Wahabi Media at it's back.

If a wahabie complimented my hijab, does that necessarily mean that I am a wahabie or am influenced by them?

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I know you will not cry NO NO NO, it was not like that. But reality is this that US/JEWS/Wahabies were using the Green Minority and we all saw how they were destroying the Public properties, and how enemies of Islam using all this.

I said it before, and I'll say it again, do not mix the hooligans with the protesters. I know what I am about to say is not a valid argument and cannot be trusted by you guys who don't know me at all, but numerous memebers of my family saw (from the windows of their houses) the BASIJIS crashing the windows of their cars on the street, or breaking the front doors... so that when people look at the situation they'd think "yeh the greens caused this chaos".

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It is undeniable fact that Greens Leader wanted to solve the Dispute on the Streets of Iran instead of solving it according to the Law and Courts were there for Justice. But fact is the Green Minority DENIED THE RULE OF LAW and the SYSTEM. And if you try to created FITNA against the LAW, then you will naturally meet the Law enforcing Agencies like Baseej, Pasdaran and police.

Not at first. You are forgetting the fact that Mousavi and Karoubi both asked for permissions to hold protests, but these were rejected. Before this, people were angry because they thought the election was rigged, but after this they became angry because they thought that the government is acting unfair and is doing nothing to resolve the dispute. It followed from that, that they started doubting the Rahbar, and consequently the constitution and the whole system. So yes, right NOW I agree with that statement 100%. This DENYING the RULE OF LAW and the SYSTEM which you label as fitna also happened during the revolution, where Imam Khomeini and his followers did not agree with the LAWS and the GOVERNING SYSTEM and so took to the streets. People paid for this with their lives, just like now.

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You people still have not got the Lesson from Imam's Ali FULL Killing and Destroying of Khawarij Muslims. So much so that he killed almost ALL of them, except for 5-6 Khawarij who succeeded in escaping the death. And one of them was Ibn Muljim who later killed Imam Ali .

Please clarify your point...

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Now you will say that Green Minority is not Khawarij. But revolting against Law and System is same between Khawarij and Green Movement and both of them caused the loss of innocent blood .... and finally strong steps were taken against both and thus their Fitna stopped and didn't cause any more damage.

Then do you also agree that Imam Khomeini was the leader of millions of Khawarij in Iran in 1979?

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You have the right to Protest, you have the right to go to the COURTS, you people won when Khatami was there, ... but in case of Ahmadinejaad, you people went NUTS and you denied the SYTEM and LAW, which is unacceptable.

Well no, the right to protest was taken away from us, and you can't expect people who are opposed to the biased implementation of the laws to take their complaints to courts which follow the same laws!
I explained above at what point people started forgetting about the election and focusing on changing the system and the law.

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This anger should stay in LIMITS.

If it goes beyond limits, then it cause damage to Government and Public properties and Interests, .... and it is a fact that due to Foolishness of Green Minority, Iran became weaker and Enemies like Jews and Wahabies were able to present Iran Islamic System as Evil thing. Now tell me please, could you DENY this fact?

Do you think an anger which would cause people to protest on the streets is out of limits?! what damaged the government and the public properties were the numerous mistakes they themselves made with regards to dealing with this situation. Mistakes such as khamenei's first speech after the election which provoked the greens, not allowing peaceful protests to take place, imprisoning every intellectual reformist and filming them in PJs making false confessions, allowing basijis to run wild on the streets and suppressing any movement, in any way they see fit, attacking the tehran uni, firing on innocent people, and the list goes on...

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You see even the Leader know it very well that Mausovi and Karoubi have no Direct relations with Enemy. But Khawarij also had no connections with Muawiyyah, but still they became fitna by denying the System and Law. Same has been done by Mausavi and Karoubi and they have caused much more damage to Iran than has been caused by Jews and Wahabies.

I just hope and pray you understand this point.

Again, claiming that denying the system and the law is fitna is baseless, as I gave you the example of Imam Khomeini.

[shiasoldier786]

bandekhoda, on 30 April 2010 - 06:39 PM, said:

Do you think an anger which would cause people to protest on the streets is out of limits?!

I didnt quite get most of your post, as it was, as usual, full of confusion, contradiction and baseless accusations.

Regarding the protesting out of limits... I actually agree with you here.

Yeh, there were protests which people had not seen for the past 30 years,and yes there was real anger. Oh, but please dont get excited, I'm not talking about the greenies here, Im talking about millions of loyal followers of Imam Khamenei (HA) who came to show their opposition to hypocrites who were wishing to destabalize the Islamic Republic.

Enjoy the video. Watch it at around the 4:00 minute mark to be precise.



May the hearts of the enemies of Imam Khamenei (HA) burn out of distress.

[Anti-Consumer]

farhang, on 21 April 2010 - 06:11 PM, said:

^The propaganda is almost one year too late.  You missed the train.  

The only thing that happened after the election was a desperate CIA and Israeli inspired coup attempt.  Nothing more.  So many Iran "experts" predicted the complete collapse of the government, just as they have been griping about for thirty years.  And it still hasn't happened.  

So yeah, I agree with you, what happened after the election does matter.  Just not what the gharbzedegi dreamers would have wanted.

This is the absolute truth nothing more, nothing less,Allah bless IRI!

Anyway..Marx,did once a very good observance.(in his only interesting book..The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon)
He claimed That the French revolution in 1789 was a farce of ancient Rome.
And that Paris Commune in 1848 was a failed farce of 1789.
From this observance and after a search to the references,the slogans and the attitude of the following movements we can conclude that..
French May (1968 ) was a joke of 1948.
The Fall of Berlin Wall(1989) a simulation of 1968 joke.
Serbia's Bulldoze revolution a caricature of 1989.
Ukraine's Orange Revolution   a mickey of Serbia's Bulldoze Revolution.
Kyrgyzstan's Tulip revolution a travesty of Orange revolution.
Lebanon's Cedar Revolution a castigation of Tulip revolution.

And finally..
I have the anti-honour to present you the farce of all the previous farces,the travesty of all the previous travesties,the joke of all the previous jokes.
Iran's Green" de puta madre" fitting t-shirt(gay?),post-Elvis Prisley hairstyling(failed Rockabilly/psychobilly imitations) and the newest "Rayban" Glasses  model "revolution"      

I'll try to translate an article i wrote about all these new post modern/internet/hipster superficial uprisings. I promise its really pure non-conspiracy criticism and it burns...

Cia and Zionist intervention is an 10000% real fact ..but we must also raze and the pseudo-intellectual green "reason" .

Edited by Anti-Consumer, 30 April 2010 - 08:48 PM.

[bandekhoda]

shiasoldier786, on 30 April 2010 - 08:25 PM, said:

I didnt quite get most of your post, as it was, as usual, full of confusion, contradiction and baseless accusations.

Regarding the protesting out of limits... I actually agree with you here.

Yeh, there were protests which people had not seen for the past 30 years,and yes there was real anger. Oh, but please dont get excited, I'm not talking about the greenies here, Im talking about millions of loyal followers of Imam Khamenei (HA) who came to show their opposition to hypocrites who were wishing to destabalize the Islamic Republic.

Enjoy the video. Watch it at around the 4:00 minute mark to be precise.



May the hearts of the enemies of Imam Khamenei (HA) burn out of distress.

OK...whats your point?
that you are many and we are few? that the clapping and whistling of some people on Ashura is unislamic?
because I never said otherwise.

[DoubleAgent4]

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May the hearts of the enemies of Imam Khamenei (HA) burn out of distress.

Don't worry our hearts aren't going to burn out of distress. Do I really want to follow a guy who has the audacity to make Tatbeer Haram and condemn people for doing it even though it's for Imam Hussein so you can't issue fatwas regarding these issues. I know it's a controversial topic but still you can't make it Haram. Seriously, i was in a mosque and the Sheikh was saying these people that do Tatbeer portray a bad image of Shia Islam and bla bla bla. If anyone wants to find out about us then I'm sure this won't put them off!

Secondly, what does Khamenei have against Niqabi women? Everyone knows that he doesn't approve with the niqab.

Our hearts burn for the innocent people tortured by his government. You guys still deny the facts that raping and torturing of political prisoners as well as ordinary ones have taken place. Off course this doesn't always happen and people sometimes over exaggerate but this is not always the case. It's the ones that sell their story to the west  that may be lying but many people have kept silent about what really happened to them. I remember telling you about the young boys that ran away to Kurdistan because they were raped and one of our family friends spoke to them. Now are they lying? What about one of the members of the Shirazi family who were beaten by the Iranian police. My uncle has even seen the bruises on on of the Shirazis chest . I forgot his name but I'll enclose a picture of him. One person, two or three people lie but not hundreds of people.

The Iranian Government hate the Shirazi family just because they oppose their regime and the way it's Islamically run They seem to forget the Tobacco Movement which was when Ayatollah Mirza Hassan Shirazi who issued a fatwa making tabacco haram and no one goes on about how this was beneficial for Iran and how if it wasn't for him then we would be ruled by foreigners trying to destroy our country.

Try reading this book although I haven't read it yet but it's on my to do list: The rights of Prisoners by Imam Muhammad Shirazi.

The only time I hear Khamenei speaking is after the Friday prayers and all of his speeches consist of ' Death to America, Death to Israel.' Seriously every week it's the same old thing. At least Imam Khomeini had a few enlightening and good speeches unlike him. We see people chanting his name and he seems to enjoy every second of it.... it just makes you wonder.

Btw what does (HA) stand for?

(The one that was beaten up is the first one to your right)

One last point we have to take into consideration that not all our ulemas, sheikhs etc are on the right path and when our Imam comes i think it is 7000 of them that will be executed because they didn't act towards the Islamic teachings, I'm not implying that this is going to happen to anyone we know but I'm just saying that we can't trust anyone just because they have a turban over their head.

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Hawraa29, on 02 May 2010 - 11:11 AM, said:

Don't worry our hearts aren't going to burn out of distress. Do I really want to follow a guy who has the audacity to make Tatbeer Haram and condemn people for doing it even though it's for Imam Hussein so you can't issue fatwas regarding these issues. I know it's a controversial topic but still you can't make it Haram. Seriously, i was in a mosque and the Sheikh was saying these people that do Tatbeer portray a bad image of Shia Islam and bla bla bla. If anyone wants to find out about us then I'm sure this won't put them off!

Secondly, what does Khamenei have against Niqabi women? Everyone knows that he doesn't approve with the niqab.

Our hearts burn for the innocent people tortured by his government. You guys still deny the facts that raping and torturing of political prisoners as well as ordinary ones have taken place. Off course this doesn't always happen and people sometimes over exaggerate but this is not always the case. It's the ones that sell their story to the west  that may be lying but many people have kept silent about what really happened to them. I remember telling you about the young boys that ran away to Kurdistan because they were raped and one of our family friends spoke to them. Now are they lying? What about one of the members of the Shirazi family who were beaten by the Iranian police. My uncle has even seen the bruises on on of the Shirazis chest . I forgot his name but I'll enclose a picture of him. One person, two or three people lie but not hundreds of people.

The Iranian Government hate the Shirazi family just because they oppose their regime and the way it's Islamically run They seem to forget the Tobacco Movement which was when Ayatollah Mirza Hassan Shirazi who issued a fatwa making tabacco haram and no one goes on about how this was beneficial for Iran and how if it wasn't for him then we would be ruled by foreigners trying to destroy our country.

Try reading this book although I haven't read it yet but it's on my to do list: The rights of Prisoners by Imam Muhammad Shirazi.

The only time I hear Khamenei speaking is after the Friday prayers and all of his speeches consist of ' Death to America, Death to Israel.' Seriously every week it's the same old thing. At least Imam Khomeini had a few enlightening and good speeches unlike him. We see people chanting his name and he seems to enjoy every second of it.... it just makes you wonder.

Btw what does (HA) stand for?

(The one that was beaten up is the first one to your right)

One last point we have to take into consideration that not all our ulemas, sheikhs etc are on the right path and when our Imam comes i think it is 7000 of them that will be executed because they didn't act towards the Islamic teachings, I'm not implying that this is going to happen to anyone we know but I'm just saying that we can't trust anyone just because they have a turban over their head.

No one can accuse your reason,as westernized,superficial,arbitrary and secular.
Congratulations of doing a criticism based exclusively on Islamic principles .
Although i am a loyal follower of Imam Khamenei(HA) and i disagree.
I respect your honesty and your deep understanding of the tradition.
But don't remain in the analysis of the events..See beyond them, you know you can. Evento-logy separates
Spirit and Tradition unites. But nothing from what you support justifies the post-modern, sould out green junk.
Your thought is millions of miles away from their secular cretinism.

Edited by Anti-Consumer, 02 May 2010 - 01:19 PM.

[DoubleAgent4]

Anti-Consumer, on 02 May 2010 - 12:37 PM, said:

No one can accuse your reason,as westernized,superficial,arbitrary and secular.
Congratulations of doing a criticism based exclusively on Islamic principles .
Although i am a loyal follower of Imam Khamenei(HA) and i disagree.
I respect your honesty and your deep understanding of the tradition.
But don't remain in the analysis of the events..See beyond them, you know you can. Evento-logy separates
Spirit and Tradition unites. But nothing from what you support justifies the post-modern, sould out green junk.
Your thought is millions of miles away from their secular cretinism.

Thank you, i think. I have nothing against the followers of Khamenei as long as they're not harming any one. I in no way support the green movement but I try to see things from two point of views as I'm not biased. BTW what does (HA) stand for?

[zoya1234]

V gud Point by Point analysis.. I think all detractors of current election can discuss their grievances here after reading through the above analysis which covers almost all issues raised by Western media/Mousavi..

[Muraqib ul tarighat]

zoya1234, on 26 May 2010 - 08:07 AM, said:

V gud Point by Point analysis.. I think all detractors of current election can discuss their grievances here after reading through the above analysis which covers almost all issues raised by Western media/Mousavi..

I think this article settle just about everything about the claims of "electoral fraud".

http://www.muslims.n...hp?newid=377329

I feel sorry for the greens.....they have been duped  by the West , and the Wahabis, to stage a color revolution to further their legitimate cause for political reforms.

[bandekhoda]

Muraqib ul tarighat, on 02 June 2010 - 05:25 PM, said:

I feel sorry for the greens.....they have been duped  by the West , and the Wahabis, to stage a color revolution to further their legitimate cause for political reforms.

You guys can keep saying that, but it won't make it true...
I have yet to see a proof for this claim, and them backing us is not one.

Edited by bandekhoda, 03 June 2010 - 12:07 AM.