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[PersianGulfever]

as, some of our friends may know, right now the Call (adhan) in the local TV of Kurdestan Province is being announced in its sunni version, that is without "Ashhado Anna Allian A Walliyyollah.
and as you may know, a great number of residents of Baluchestan Province are sunni whom prefer to have the same call (sunni) in the lovcal TV. To gain this very objective of themselves, these sunni brothers of us has set fire on 7 Shia women in Baluchestan.



what I want here is that to give  acomment on how this action would be justified? can anyone help me out?
a friend of mine was very hot on Palestine affairs. I remember him saying "Zionists are a bunch of animals that they do this to Palestines". when I said they are Nasebi and they considr us as Najis he said "but they are Muslims", while on this mater he simply says "I dont want a distance between us"
do you have the same opinion? killing shias by sunnis (and not radicals here) is justified and killing Nasbis by Zionists not?!!!

Edited by PersianGulfever, 06 June 2009 - 02:09 AM.

[baradar_jackson]

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[maqnouteh]

This action is definitely an unjustifiable one. Not only against our Shii sisters but even if done against any innocent human.

However, just thought that I should point out that even shias can recite the Adhan without the Ashhadu anna 3aliyyan waliyyullah..its not a must to have it in the adhan and if u consider it to be a compulsory act in the adhan then ur adhan is wrong.

The compulsory part of Adhan that sunnis leave out is Hayya 3ala khayril 3amal.

ws

Edited by maqnouteh, 06 June 2009 - 06:02 AM.

[Noah-]

Chanting: "we will kill whoever kills our brother"

aljazeera

[PersianGulfever]

maqnouteh, on Jun 6 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

However, just thought that I should point out that even shias can recite the Adhan without the Ashhadu anna 3aliyyan waliyyullah..its not a must to have it in the adhan and if u consider it to be a compulsory act in the adhan then ur adhan is wrong.

The compulsory part of Adhan that sunnis leave out is Hayya 3ala khayril 3amal.

ws

we are not talking about it being compulsory or not at this moment. e are talking about this fact that in order to get to their objective they choose a harsh way. that is the point.
also every one knows that Ashhado Anna Alian A waliyyollah is said as "be qasde rajaa'" which means "as to get closer" .... we respect Imam Ali A so much that we say it in all adhzans, whereas, we dont expect any one to follow it and dont push any one. isnt there a better way.
also, right now we have a lot of Quran reciters' recitings who are sunni and say "sadaqollahol Adhgim" while the exact verse exist in Quran saying "Sadaghallahol Aliyol Adhim" but we dont kill sunnis because they do so, do we?

baradar_jackson, on Jun 6 2009, 11:22 AM, said:

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I wanna know how others justify this. is it sane at all to keep quiet for the sake of wahdat?

[yassameen]

PersianGulfever, on Jun 6 2009, 03:07 AM, said:

as, some of our friends may know, right now the Call (adhan) in the local TV of Kurdestan Province is being announced in its sunni version, that is without "Ashhado Anna Allian A Walliyyollah.
and as you may know, a great number of residents of Baluchestan Province are sunni whom prefer to have the same call (sunni) in the lovcal TV. To gain this very objective of themselves, these sunni brothers of us has set fire on 7 Shia women in Baluchestan.



what I want here is that to give  acomment on how this action would be justified? can anyone help me out?
a friend of mine was very hot on Palestine affairs. I remember him saying "Zionists are a bunch of animals that they do this to Palestines". when I said they are Nasebi and they considr us as Najis he said "but they are Muslims", while on this mater he simply says "I dont want a distance between us"
do you have the same opinion? killing shias by sunnis (and not radicals here) is justified and killing Nasbis by Zionists not?!!!

kill kill kill

i dont justefy anything its all in islamic law go and study it

[Storm Large]

Iran should take over Baluchistan as half of baluchi population is in iran as refugees.

[baradar_jackson]

PersianGulfever, on Jun 9 2009, 03:07 AM, said:

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[Learned]

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[baradar_jackson]

Learned, on Jun 9 2009, 04:31 AM, said:

Note from mod: Post in English only please, or provide a translation of, or reference for, whatever you post in another language.

ok i will stop... but please don't delete my last post because i want brother PGE to read it...

[PersianGulfever]

baradar_jackson, on Jun 9 2009, 02:05 PM, said:

ok i will stop... but please don't delete my last post because i want brother PGE to read it...

Aarash...you can call me Aarash

[PersianGulfever]

baradar_jackson, on Jun 9 2009, 01:42 PM, said:

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the Idea of wahdat is accepted when the haq is being supported.....why should we get suffocated on a matter like this only bc they are sunnis? if they were some shia who had set fire on some shias, would be treating them like this?
and who they are backing ? in the same sistan baluchestan Musfti Moulavi goes to the pulpit and says :Imam khomeini was a great man but belive me he was not as worthy as the hoof of omar's dankey"
We dont have any Omar koshan (having fun on omars mourning day) because of sunni brother...the door of Aboulo'lo' has been closed and no boy is alowed to go their bc of omars follower and sunni brother... we are doing  alot of devotions already...and now what? they answer us like this

[PersianGulfever]

Storm Large, on Jun 9 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

Iran should take over Baluchistan as half of baluchi population is in iran as refugees.

? how?

yassameen, on Jun 9 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

kill kill kill

i dont justefy anything its all in islamic law go and study it

whci Islam? the Islam of Abubakr or the Islam of Amiralmo'menin.

[repenter]

I don't look upon them as sunni or shia. They are terrorists, and have no sense of Islam at all, sunni or shia!

[baradar_jackson]

PersianGulfever, on Jun 9 2009, 08:27 AM, said:

Aarash...you can call me Aarash

Ok Aarash joon
You can call me Issa  

PersianGulfever, on Jun 9 2009, 08:35 AM, said:

the Idea of wahdat is accepted when the haq is being supported.....why should we get suffocated on a matter like this only bc they are sunnis? if they were some shia who had set fire on some shias, would be treating them like this?
and who they are backing ? in the same sistan baluchestan Musfti Moulavi goes to the pulpit and says :Imam khomeini was a great man but belive me he was not as worthy as the hoof of omar's dankey"
We dont have any Omar koshan (having fun on omars mourning day) because of sunni brother...the door of Aboulo'lo' has been closed and no boy is alowed to go their bc of omars follower and sunni brother... we are doing  alot of devotions already...and now what? they answer us like this

We are always doing this things. We are always helping them to preserve their rights. And they don't want it. Because to them, they are OFFENDED when they are treated as equals to us. They only want superiority.

They bombed a mosque in Zahedan during the mourning ceremony for Hazrate Zahra , that is how much they value us and our believes...

If they hate Iran and they are so oppressed, they should move to Saudi Arabia...

Edited by baradar_jackson, 09 June 2009 - 03:57 PM.

[Storm Large]

PersianGulfever, on Jun 9 2009, 09:01 AM, said:

? how?


whci Islam? the Islam of Abubakr or the Islam of Amiralmo'menin.

Use baluchi iranians to influence their paki counterparts to start an insurrection or rebellion against the Pakistan government by refusing to "lease" oil and gas from their region to the punjabis, sindhis and pashtuns ...

[nastynas]

Storm Large, on Jun 9 2009, 05:48 PM, said:

Use baluchi iranians to influence their paki counterparts to start an insurrection or rebellion against the Pakistan government by refusing to "lease" oil and gas from their region to the punjabis, sindhis and pashtuns ...

You think that Pakistan will just sit on its hands whilst Iran tries to illegaly take its land? What will this achieve anyway?

Edited by nastynas, 12 June 2009 - 10:22 AM.

[Storm Large]

nastynas, on Jun 12 2009, 10:22 AM, said:

You think that Pakistan will just sit on its hands whilst Iran tries to illegaly take its land? What will this achieve anyway?

Pakistan army couldn't even defend Hyderabad after partition from india. they still cannot their kashmir back. Furthermore, remmeber the way Bangladesh freed itself from Pakistan. So, Pakistan is an entity just by name.

[Marbles]

Storm Large, on Jun 12 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

Pakistan army couldn't even defend Hyderabad after partition from india. they still cannot their kashmir back. Furthermore, remmeber the way Bangladesh freed itself from Pakistan. So, Pakistan is an entity just by name.

Ludicrous.

It was not Pakistan's job to 'defend' Hyderabad Deccan from Indian aggression. Hyderabad was not Pakistan.

Kashmir is a disputed territory between India and Pakistan. It does not belong to Pakistan.

The succession of East Pakistan took place due to the failings of West Pakistan's political establishment and discrimination against Bengalis. It was facilitated by India during 1971 and before.

[PersianGulfever]

repenter, on Jun 9 2009, 06:47 PM, said:

I don't look upon them as sunni or shia. They are terrorists, and have no sense of Islam at all, sunni or shia!

lets bear in mind that what they wanted was to have the same call as or sunni brothers have in Kurdestan, that is sunni call.

[PersianGulfever]

baradar_jackson, on Jun 10 2009, 12:12 AM, said:

Ok Aarash joon
You can call me Issa  



We are always doing this things. We are always helping them to preserve their rights. And they don't want it. Because to them, they are OFFENDED when they are treated as equals to us. They only want superiority.

They bombed a mosque in Zahedan during the mourning ceremony for Hazrate Zahra , that is how much they value us and our believes...

If they hate Iran and they are so oppressed, they should move to Saudi Arabia...

yeah, both this news and the one you just mentioned was broadcasted on TV as well. they have closed Abu lo'lo''s shrine and when we say why you did this they respond as "because Saudi Arabia had said if you dont do that we will build some buildings on the graves of A'emmatol Baqi'" ...my mother something very nice. she said"they shouldnt have closed Abulo'lo's shrine. they should have said 'if you do so, we eill prevent our hajis to come to Saudi Arabia anylonger'" and I guess she is right because every year millions of hajis go to Ssaudi Arabia from Iran for either wajib or Omrah haj, and because these people are Arab and they are all after money they would stop it. I guess our politicians are neither good shcolars not good politicians.

[PersianGulfever]

Storm Large, on Jun 10 2009, 01:18 AM, said:

Use baluchi iranians to influence their paki counterparts to start an insurrection or rebellion against the Pakistan government by refusing to "lease" oil and gas from their region to the punjabis, sindhis and pashtuns ...

and do you call that  asolution?

[PersianGulfever]

Storm Large, on Jun 12 2009, 07:31 PM, said:

Pakistan army couldn't even defend Hyderabad after partition from india. they still cannot their kashmir back. Furthermore, remmeber the way Bangladesh freed itself from Pakistan. So, Pakistan is an entity just by name.

it is so disappointing? i always thought pakistan was a powerful country, and that they dont like shias, so that is why they dont support them.
still it wont help. we have internal problem not external. we dont need more guys we need pour own guys to think better.

Marbles, on Jun 13 2009, 03:31 AM, said:

Kashmir is a disputed territory between India and Pakistan. It does not belong to Pakistan.

waht about before the dispute? did it not belong to Pakistan at that time either. go a little backward in the History.

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The succession of East Pakistan took place due to the failings of West Pakistan's political establishment and discrimination against Bengalis. It was facilitated by India during 1971 and before

I guess we aresuffering from the same problem after all.

[nastynas]

Storm Large, on Jun 12 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

Pakistan army couldn't even defend Hyderabad after partition from india. they still cannot their kashmir back. Furthermore, remmeber the way Bangladesh freed itself from Pakistan. So, Pakistan is an entity just by name.

I guess I must have missed something here...

Are you claiming Pakistan is unable to defend its borders? If so, where's your proof? I am not talking about 30 or 50 years ago but the current nuclear armed nation. Let me reming you, if Pakistand was indeed as weak as you suggest, it would have been India a long time ago!

PersianGulfever, on Jun 13 2009, 05:24 AM, said:

waht about before the dispute? did it not belong to Pakistan at that time either. go a little backward in the History.

Before the dispute, there was no Pakistan! That is ofcourse if you go back in history. Bearing in mind Pakistan hasn't been around much more then 50 years.

[.K.A.R.R.A.R.]

well if they have burned our sisters. they sisters should be burnt as well. this is the only solution for stoping such acts and prevent infuture. its hard one but we have seen here in pakistan. They use to kill shia on daily basis but they r not stoping. When shias started to take revenge then they stoped. I think if it happend in iran .. irani government should hang them who don eit.. if not then muslims should make a group and take revenge which is legal ofcourse