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Hadith 38:

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:
He (Imam Husain) sees those, who come to his shrine and he knows them by their names, their father's names and their ranks in the eyes of Allah, The Mighty, The Glorious, better than you know your own children!

Wasaail al Shiah vol 14, pg. 411.

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Hadith 39:

Imam A'li (A.S.) said to Ibn A'bbas:
(Once when he happened to pass by Kerbala), Isa (A.S.) sat down and began to weep. His disciples who were observing him, followed suit and began weeping too, but not comprehending the reason for this behaviour, they asked him: "O' Spirit of God! What is it that makes you weep?" Isa (A.S.) said: "Do you know what land this is?" The disciples replied: "No." He then said: "This is the land on, which the son of the Prophet Ahmad (S.A.W.) shall be killed.

Bihar al Anwar vol 44 pg. 252.

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Hadith 40:

Abu Baseer narrates that Imam Baqir (A.S.) said:
The humans, the jinn, the birds and the wild beasts (all) mourned and wept over (the tragedy which befell) Husain Ibn A'li (A.S.)

Kaamil al‑Ziyaaraat, pg. 79.

[iraqi_shia]

thanks for that dingdong.

A nice collection.

[Murtajiz]

jazak Allah khair.....

very nice sharing........

Thanks.....

[Emraan Haider]

JAZAKALLAH!!!

[Malik Hassan]

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[**Sistani**]

salaamon alaikum
thanks for your posts
its very important to remember the importance of azadari and not to let the enemies steal this practice from us that has been taking place for thousands of years!

[farazhaider88]

Mashallah .

[Mana.]

AOA
Could any of u please provide me with authentic ahadith and sayings of our Imams and justify the act of matam, zanjeer zani? Is it permissible in Islam? Did any of the Prophets, our Imams performed this act?

Please reply soon as I'm flooded with ahadith given to me by my sunni friends which says it's not permissible at all and was disliked by Prophet(PBUH) always.

i couldn't read all the ahadith posted in this thread due to shortage of time..read only 8 i think n uptil here i don't find anybody encouraging matam.
Please guide.
JazakAllah Khair.

[Mana.]

Please someone reply..Its kinda urgent.

[Andrew rock]

Hey, my name is Andy am from Manchester and i really wanted to know more about Islam as it says am an atheist so could you please tell me which section to follow am really confused and i want to become a Muslim!???

[Waiting for HIM]

Mana., on 02 December 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

Please someone reply..Its kinda urgent.

Use the search function on SC.

Also go look on www.al-islam.org. Search for Shia Encyclopedia.

Matam is a mustahib thing, not even wajib. Why are you having them discuss this with you? Why don't you talk to them about the wrong wudhu they do, the wrong salat, the ignorance to Imamat, the wrong fasting that Sunnis do, the wrong salat times they do and so on? Its all in Quran.

Andrew rock, on 14 December 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

Hey, my name is Andy am from Manchester and i really wanted to know more about Islam as it says am an atheist so could you please tell me which section to follow am really confused and i want to become a Muslim!???

This is not the right forum to convert. Find a good masjid or read the Islamic Library www.al-islam.org to learn more about Islam.

Edited by Waiting for HIM, 14 December 2012 - 01:09 PM.

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dingdong, on 26 January 2009 - 06:38 AM, said:

Hadith 25:

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:
The breath of one who is aggrieved upon the injustice and oppression subjected to us, is tasbeeh (glorification of Allah), and his grief for us, is i'baadat (worship of Allah) and his concealing our secrets, is jihad in the path of Allah.

The Imam (A.S.) then added: This tradition ought to be written in gold.

Amaali al‑Shaikh al‑Mufid, pg.   338.

What does concealing the secrets of the Ahlulbayt mean?

[PureEthics]

Andrew rock, on 14 December 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

Hey, my name is Andy am from Manchester and i really wanted to know more about Islam as it says am an atheist so could you please tell me which section to follow am really confused and i want to become a Muslim!???

Hi brother please check out my links in my signature! Especially the lectures by Hassanain Rajabali on youtube

[PureEthics]

Mana., on 02 December 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

Please someone reply..Its kinda urgent.

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

In this article, insha Allah, we will be examining an issue that Nawasib have over-exploited, especially during the Ashura periods: Matam. They do not want people to weep for Imam al-Husayn (عليه السلام). We will be examining some of their arguments on this. But the main reason for this article is their objection to the adoption of Matam during mourning processions for the Holy Imam (عليه السلام). Matam includes processes of self-harm, such as chest-beating, beating of the face and similar activities. Nawasib argue that Matam in all its ramifications is a heritage of paganism. In this article, we will be presenting authentic Sunni Hadiths showing Aisha, daughter of Abubakr, doing Matam! That would be a huge shut-up to these Nawasib! WEEPING FOR THE DEAD

There are several Sunni Hadiths in the Sunni sources, narrated mainly by Umar and his son, forbidding weeping for the dead. For instance, Imam Muslim records:

'Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:

The dead is punished because of the lamentation of the living.
Sahih Muslim, Book 4, Number 2025

And:

Abu Burda narrated on the authority of his father that when 'Umar was wounded Suhaib uttered (loudly in lamentation): O brother! Upon this 'Umar said: Suhaib, did you not know that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:" The dead is punished because of the lamentation of the living"?
Sahih Muslim, Book 4, Number 2019

Al-Bukhari too records:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Sad bin 'Ubada became sick and the Prophet along with 'Abdur Rahman bin 'Auf, Sad bin Abi Waqqas and 'Abdullah bin Masud visited him to enquire about his health. When he came to him, he found him surrounded by his household and he asked, "Has hedied?" They said, "No, O Allah's Messenger." The Prophet wept and when the people saw the weeping of Allah's Messenger (p.b.u.h) they all wept. He said, "Will you listen? Allah does not punish for shedding tears, nor for the grief of the heart but he punishes or bestows His Mercy because of this." He pointed to his tongue and added, "THE DECEASED IS PUNISHED FOR THE WAILING OF HIS RELATIVES OVER HIM." 'Umar used to beat with a stick and throw stones and put dust over the faces (of those who used to wail over the dead).
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 391

Umm al-Muminin Aisha however indicated that both Umar and his son did NOT transmit the Prophet’s (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) words accurately. Muslim again records:

'Amra daughter of 'Abd al Rahman narrated that she heard (from) 'A'isha and made a mention to her about 'Abdullah b. 'Umar as saying: The dead is punished because of the lamentation of the living. Upon this 'A'isha said: May Allah have mercy upon the father of 'Abd al-Rahman (Ibn 'Umar). He did not tell a lie, BUT HE FORGOT OR MADE A MISTAKE. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) happened to pass by a (dead) Jewess who was being lamented. Upon this he said: They weep over her and she is being punished in the grave.
Sahih Muslim, Book 4, Number 2029

And:

Hisham narrated on the authority of his father that it was mentioned to 'A'isha that Ibn 'Umar had narrated as marfu' hadith from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) that the dead would be punished in the grave because of the lamentation of his family for him. Upon this she said: HE (IBN 'UMAR) MISSED (THE POINT). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had (in fact) said: He (the dead) is punished for his faults or for his sins, and the members of his family are wailing for him now.
Sahih Muslim, Book 4, Number 2027

And:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Ubaidullah bin Abi Mulaika:

When 'Umar was stabbed, Suhaib came in weeping and saying, "O my brother, O my friend!" (on this 'Umar said to him, "O Suhaib! Are you weeping for me while the Prophet said, "The dead person is punished by some of the weeping of his relatives?" Ibn Abbas added, "When 'Umar died I told all this to Aisha and she said, 'May Allah be merciful to Umar. By Allah, Allah's Messenger did not say that a believer is punished by the weeping of his relatives. But he said, Allah increases the punishment of a non-believer because of the weeping of his relatives." Aisha further added, "The Quran is sufficient for you (to clear up this point) as Allah has stated: 'NO BURDENED SOUL WILL BEAR ANOTHER'S BURDEN.' " (35.18). Ibn Abbas then said, "Only Allah makes one laugh or cry." Ibn Umar did not say anything after that.
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 375

We see slight contradictions even in Aisha’s own narration of the hadith! She stated that this is the correct transmission of the hadith:

They weep over her and she is being punished in the grave.

Then, she offers another transmission of the same hadith:

Allah increases the punishment of a non-believer because of the weeping of his relatives.

The verse that she herself quoted, Qur’an 35:18, shows that the second version cannot be correct. Rather, only the first can.

There are certainly Sunni Hadiths that state that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) himself did WEEP for the dead. Al-Bukhari records:

Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:

When my father was martyred, I lifted the sheet from his face AND WEPT and the people forbade me to do so BUT THE PROPHET DID NOT FORBID ME. Then my aunt Fatima began weeping and the Prophet said, “It is all the same whether you weep or not. The angels were shading him continuously with their wings till you shifted him (from the field).”
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 336

And:

Narrated Anas bin Malik: We went with Allah’s Apostle (p.b.u.h) to the blacksmith Abu Saif, and he was the husband of the wet-nurse of Ibrahim (the son of the Prophet), Allah’s Apostle took Ibrahim and kissed him and smelled him and later we entered Abu Saif’s house and at that time Ibrahim was in his last breaths, and the eyes of Allah’s Apostle (p.b.u.h) started shedding tears. ‘Abdur Rahman bin ‘Auf said, “O Allah’s Apostle, even you are weeping!” He said, “O Ibn ‘Auf, this is mercy.” Then he wept more and said, “These eyes are shedding tears and the heart is grieved, and we will not say except what pleases our Lord, O Ibrahim! Indeed we are grieved by your separation.”
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 390

There is also proof that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) wept for his mother who died decades before, a fact that significantly weakens the Nasibi claim that weeping for the dead cannot take place after three days (this is to refute Shiites who weep for Imam al-Husayn (عليه السلام) after more than a thousand years). Imam Muslim records:

Abu Huraira reported: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) visited the grave of his mother AND HE WEPT, and moved others around him to weep, and said: I sought permission from my Lord to beg forgiveness for her but it was not granted to me, and I sought permission to visit her grave and it was granted to me. So visit the graves, for that makes you mindful of death.
Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 2130

According to this Sunni Hadith, the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and his Sahabah (رضي الله عنهم) wept for a pagan woman decades after her death. Why then do these Nawasib wail when we weep for the grandson of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) who was martyred by the founder of the Salafi sect?

MATAM

This is where the bigger crisis rests for the Nawasib. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal in his Musnad, vol. 6, p. 274, Number 26391 (edited by al-Arnaut) records that Aisha said:

ان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قبض وهو في حجري ثم وضعت رأسه على وسادة وقمت ألتدم مع النساء واضرب وجهي

Allah’s Apostle died in my lap. I then placed his head on a pillow AND STARTED DOING ILTIDAM with the other women AND I BEAT MY FACE.

Shaykh al-Arnaut says:

إسناده حسن من أجل ابن إسحاق

Its chain is hasan on account of Ibn Ishaq

Abu Ya’la has also recorded this same report in his Musnad, vol. 8, p. 63, Number 4586 (edited by Husayn Salim Asad). Husayn Salim Asad says about it:

إسناده حسن

Its chain is hasan.

Shaykh al-Albani has also recorded the report in his Irwa al-Ghalil, vol. 7, p. 86 (see also http://islamport.com...ightsub="

[Zahra'a khalil]

thank you very much God bless you

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thanks Br.

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As/aleykum where can i join hussainia for the arbaeen in Kuala Lumpur?

Thx  ,salam

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