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#1 I Believe

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 08:29 PM

The secret lives of your kids online


Thanks to shows such as “Dateline: To Catch a Predator,” both adults and kids are well aware of online predators lurking in cyberspace. When it comes to kids and technology, parents are more likely to be blinded by the hype than to absorb the reality.As more kids head back to school with increasingly sophisticated technology in their backpacks, the mischief they get up to may not have much in common with the hyperbolic tales of evening news shows that reveal humanity at low tide. Or so says Parry Aftab, executive director of WiredSafety.org, which focuses on Internet safety for children, tweens and teens. 

“Parents think there are far more sexual predators out there on the Internet than there are in reality,” Aftab said in a recent interview. “The cases in which a child willingly goes out to meet a 50-year-old adult who has conned (him or her) into thinking he’s 15 is far less prevalent than other risks.”

What other risks, you ask? Here in the age of Web 2.0, the possibilities extend as far as a kid’s imagination. Face it, the Internet can be accessed via a cell phone far from a parent’s supervision and video gaming is an online interactive sport where kids can play with total strangers from all over the world. Unfortunately, the one thing most every kid has a tough time imagining is the kind of trouble he or she might be dredging up. 

What the kids used to get up to
Just ask 17-year-old Shannon Sullivan – the first official kid to get in trouble on MySpace. These days, the New Jersey high school senior is a member of WiredSafety.org’s youth program, Teen Angels. As a volunteer, Sullivan visits schools to clue kids in on how to avoid cyber pitfalls. Once upon a time, however, she was an 8th grader who allowed her friends to push her into posting a profile on MySpace. 

“This was back when MySpace had only 5,000 users and no privacy controls,” Sullivan recalls. The fact that Sullivan and her friends were all too young by MySpace rules to post profiles wasn’t a problem. “We all just wrote that we were 21,” she says. The problem (for Shannon, anyway) was the fact that her mom is a computer teacher, and her uncle, Bob Sullivan, is the technology journalist who writes msnbc.com’s Red Tape Chronicles. 

Once mom discovered her 13-year-old daughter’s MySpace profile, which included her address and other identifying information, it was all over for Sullivan and her friends. Mom called Uncle Bob, who got in contact with WiredSafety.org’s Aftab. Aftab, in turn, got in touch with MySpace, and the rest is history. MySpace, along with other social networking sites, prominently posts Aftab’s suggestions for social networking safety. 

What they’re getting up to now
Of course, suggestions are just that, and kids still get into a variety of conundrums on social networking sites. As Shannon Sullivan points out, you can be rocket-science smart when it comes to social networking safety — but you still can’t trust even your best friends. 

“People put their cell phone numbers online and the phone numbers of their friends,” Sullivan says of her peers. “And there isn’t even any reason to do that. If you’re just talking to your friends online, they already have their phone number.” 

She adds that parents really should check their kid’s profiles as well as the profiles of their friends. “Kids post their schools, where they’re going after school and they may not even use the privacy controls on the sites so that only their friends can see this information — that’s when posting personal information can get dangerous.”

How personal is personal? Pretty darned intimate when posting photos comes into play. “You’ve got girls posing in bras because it seems like a safe way to be sexual,” says Aftab. 

Sending private and potentially embarrassing cell phone pictures on impulse can also cause problems. “What (kids) don’t realize is that this is not the kind of attention they want to be drawing to themselves. And when something goes online, it’s on the Internet forever. It comes back when you’re applying for colleges or looking for a job.”

This easy-access technology has an even darker side — cyberbullying. It’s a problem that WiredSafety.org asserts is growing even as it’s getting more attention. 

“For a lot of tweens and teenagers, it just turns into a catfight online,” says Sullivan who discusses this problem regularly when she’s visiting schools. 

Since the bullying doesn’t happen face to face, the anonymity can allow the issue to quickly escalate. Sullivan contends that even kids who wouldn’t bully face to face can be quickly seduced by the power rush of bullying — even bullying their friends. 


Since the bullying is taking place through communication technology, the victims aren’t even safe at home, where they might obsessively review the cruel texts or Internet posts wherever they have access. Just recently, two news stories illustrated how extreme cyberbullying can become

You might remember the Florida teenagers who beat up their former friend so they could post the video on YouTube. And currently, Aftab works closely with Tina Meier, mother of Megan Meier, the 13-year-old in Missouri who committed suicide last year when the boy she thought she was communicating with on MySpace suddenly turned against her. 


In this precedent-setting incident, it turned out that the boy, “Josh,” was actually the invention of Megan’s school acquaintance, and the school acquaintance’s mother. This school year, Megan’s mother, Aftab and Aftab’s Internet safety initiatives will launch a widespread cyberbullying education campaign in schools.

The “Three Cs” every parent should learn
Of course, there’s no way to protect kids 100 percent from the mistakes they’re bound to make — both with technology and with life. However, Aftab points out that open communication can go a long way. 

She points out that technology is a tool that can be used to great benefit or detriment. When it comes to supplying kids with these tools, she urges parents to follow the Three Cs: Content, contact and cost. 


“Even parents that don’t know that much about technology can ask the salesperson these questions,” Aftab says. “Can this piece of technology allow access to questionable content, and if so, can it be filtered? Can it be protected from malware that might cause the device to blow up? Can it download movies or music illegally that can lead to getting sued? Can it allow contact with others, and if so, can that communication be monitored? And then, cost. Ask if the device will have other costs, such as ring tones or music.” 

Will those Three Cs barricade your little angel from the pitfalls of a wired world? Eh, not so much. But combine it with “communication,” and you’ve at least added padding when they fall. 

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Edited by I Believe, 19 September 2008 - 08:33 PM.

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 10:53 PM

General precautions you should take when chatting with people online

      
  • NEVER  give personal information to anyone you have not met in person. While  it is human nature to want to know about the other person, their name,  age, what they look like, where they live, this information is not  needed to carry on a conversation. If someone presses you for this type  of information, back away! Especially if the requests come  early in your relationship. Most users with legitimate intentions will  realize WHY you are reluctant to tell them, and will respect your  desire to play it safe.
  • NEVER agree to meet someone you have only met online unless you have a mutual friend that could possibly vouch for them.
  • If  you are under the age of 18 NEVER meet up with someone you have only  met online unless your parents not only know who this person is, but  agree to go along with you to the meeting.
  • If you feel  you just must meet a new online acquaintance, NEVER go alone, and  ALWAYS meet in a very public place like a popular coffee shop, a busy  shopping mall, or similar place.
  • Choose your screen  name carefully. Never include your real name, or any elements of it.  Choose something fun, yet gender neutral. You may think that having a  risqué screen name is cute, but be advised, you will attract the type  of people your screen name appeals to. A screen name such as “Panda” is  much less provocative than “SexMagnet”. And much less offensive to many  of your fellow netizens.
  • Resist the urge to ‘tell  people off’ or engage in ‘flame wars’. People come in all temperaments,  and as in real life, there are those who will try to provoke you into  an argument. This type of activity is becoming all too common online  these days. Many people feel power through the anonymity that the  keyboard gives them. Therefore, if you encounter someone who is rude in  online chats, ignore them, back away! Most importantly,  resist the urge to strike back at them. This type of person craves the  attention their behavior brings them. Deprived of this attention, most  either quit acting like jerks, or else move on. Either way, you have  avoided a confrontation that can quickly escalate into a full-fledged  harassment situation.
  • Remember your Netiquette and be nice! More...
Basic safety tips for online chat rooms      
  • Anything  you type in a chat room can be seen by everyone who is using that chat  room so be careful what you type. In cyberspace the walls don't so much  have ears as eyes.
  • Choose an non identifiable, non gender specific screen name (and keep it clean!)
  • Never give out any personal information whilst chatting online .  That means your real name, telephone or cell phone number[s], mailing  address, passwords, banking details etc. Ignore requests for personal  information like A/S/L and be vague with responses to questions like WITW.
  • Never  accept files or downloads from people you don't know or from people you  do know, if you weren‘t expecting them. This includes URLs.
  • Never arrange to meet someone offline that you only know through chat room  conversations.
  • Make sure you know how to save copies of your chat room  conversations.
  • Make sure you now how to report problems to the chat room moderator.
  • Remember your Netiquette and be nice! Don’t send mean chat messages, get involved in chat room arguments (flaming) or incite others to do so. More...
http://www.wiredsafe...ooms/index.html
“Dare to be happy. Most people don’t allow
themselves the luxury of being enthusiastic, light-hearted, inspired,
relaxed, or happy…It seems that a great number of people are frightened
at what a happy demeanor would look lik
e to other people…This is a very
unfortunate form of self-denial.”

Richard Carlson


A good looking woman works out to keep her body in shape. But a pretty woman kneels down in prayer to keep her heart in shape.

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 11:45 AM

Excellent post(s)

I suggest a merger with the online safety recommendations

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 12:19 PM

Salaam,

The cyber world can be taken as just another Dajjal which is absorbing so many of our youth into unimaginably sick engagements, spiritual illnesses, troubles and so on... It's one the major things that our community (as Muslims) must be aware of or made aware of. As adults many of us may know that there's just NO REASON to trust ANYONE online (to provide personal info)... adolescents and kids however are not able to understand this. They come into talks of these experienced online predators and do what not. They're easily deluded to believe what they're online friends tell them, and do what they expect or ask of them. The dirt and filth of cyber world is even BEYOND their imagination.

Thanks for the topic Sr. IBelieve... InshAllah we can also come up with certain helpful/practical suggestions which parents must undertake if they desire safety (emotional, spiritual, and physical) for their kids.

Wasalam.

Edited by petushki, 20 September 2008 - 12:21 PM.

Imam Ali (A.S.) says in his death will to his shias: "Maintain communication and exchange of opinion among yourselves. Beware of disunity and enmity. Do not desist from promoting good deeds and cautioning against bad ones. Should you do that,the worst among you would be your leaders, and you will call upon Allah without response."

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 02:44 PM

^ Excellent points Sis.

Muslims are also at a disadvantage because many of the older immigrant parents are not technologically literate, so most parents have no idea what their kids are doing online. Females are very much at risk, maybe it's time people stop letting television and the internet raise their children. It would be amusing to see the reaction of some passive parents after they realize their 13 yr old daughter has been talking to random boys online.

Equal responsibility is held to the websites -- especially Islamic ones to take the initiative to prevent their websites from becoming a preying ground.

Edited by I Believe, 20 September 2008 - 02:47 PM.

“Dare to be happy. Most people don’t allow
themselves the luxury of being enthusiastic, light-hearted, inspired,
relaxed, or happy…It seems that a great number of people are frightened
at what a happy demeanor would look lik
e to other people…This is a very
unfortunate form of self-denial.”

Richard Carlson


A good looking woman works out to keep her body in shape. But a pretty woman kneels down in prayer to keep her heart in shape.

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 10:42 PM

yeh its a dangerous place the internet....  Lots of silly people waiting for prey an that meaning kids with low aqal no offence... i was one of those people  i always stuck to saftey rules an that... but as ssoon as i came back from syria i used a inter caffe there i started recieving alot of rubbish and i bumped in to some next man... he did summ real bad distrubing thing lol lets not go there but BE CAREFULL shaitans cyber cronies are out there its serious issue and needs more attention!
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Posted 21 September 2008 - 12:09 AM

Muslims are also at a disadvantage because many of the older immigrant parents are not technologically literate
Yes, because every Muslim is the child of an immigrant? This immigrant thing is getting old already... What? They don't have computers in Pakistan?


I've broken just about every rule on that list except having an explicit name (does hijabalicious count? ...well that's the besides the point cause Inever created such an account anyway :P ).  And only by grace of god am still alive...

The one thing that is the hardest to cope w/ imho is the fact that what we type today is permanate....always and forever. Jeez!! Imagine when I run for government what will happen? Maybe my facebookaccount would be hacked or worse my  Shiachat account?

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 12:27 AM

View PostMadre de Zahra, on Sep 21 2008, 01:09 AM, said:

Muslims are also at a disadvantage because many of the older immigrant parents are not technologically literate
Yes, because every Muslim is the child of an immigrant? This immigrant thing is getting old already... What? They don't have computers in Pakistan?

Salaam Sis,

I don't feel like getting into a linguistic debate -- it's pretty late. The immigrant statement was not meant to interpreted as it was by you.

....many of the older immigrant parents.

The usage of the term many followed by "of the older immigrant parents" shows that we aren't referring to everyone, and we have already removed others for the sake of argument, and used a specific group to solidify a point. It's not a pragmatical error and no one else noted it. The subject was immigrant parents, not everyone's parents.

Sis.. not everyone is a revert either. I know many American parents who aren't well versed in technology either, citing the very first post in this topic.
“Dare to be happy. Most people don’t allow
themselves the luxury of being enthusiastic, light-hearted, inspired,
relaxed, or happy…It seems that a great number of people are frightened
at what a happy demeanor would look lik
e to other people…This is a very
unfortunate form of self-denial.”

Richard Carlson


A good looking woman works out to keep her body in shape. But a pretty woman kneels down in prayer to keep her heart in shape.

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 12:31 AM

View PostMadre de Zahra, on Sep 21 2008, 12:09 AM, said:

The one thing that is the hardest to cope w/ imho is the fact that what we type today is permanate....always and forever. Jeez!! Imagine when I run for government what will happen? Maybe my facebookaccount would be hacked or worse my  Shiachat account?

lol this is funny.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 02:22 AM

*bump*

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 03:09 AM

I can imagine Chris Hansen lurking on any sex related threads on SC as well as the mutah related ones.

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 05:11 AM

so much precaution
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 03:36 AM

Mashallah very informative thread

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 05:21 AM

good thread

as of now my secret life in internet is SC and youtube videos of syd ammar nakshawani

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:14 AM

Well I am a certified geek so my kids wont be getting away with anything.  I will be that sister my sons pm on sc to contract mutah baha, and I will tell them to step their game up. On the other hand all my daughters that add me on msn will be instantly locked up.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:21 AM

View PostMutah_King, on 10 April 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

Well I am a certified geek so my kids wont be getting away with anything.  I will be that sister my sons pm on sc to contract mutah baha, and I will tell them to step their game up. On the other hand all my daughters that add me on msn will be instantly locked up.

It seems what is good enough for the daughters of others is NOT good enough for yours is it? Uffff too much hypocrisy on this site.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:03 AM

View PostImAli, on 10 April 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

It seems what is good enough for the daughters of others is NOT good enough for yours is it? Uffff too much hypocrisy on this site.
You just noticed?

Everyone wants to do Mutah with someone's else sisters and daughters. But at the same time they don't want anyone to even think about doing Mutah with their own sisters/cousins/daughters.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:39 AM

View PostGypsy, on 10 April 2012 - 08:03 AM, said:

You just noticed?

Everyone wants to do Mutah with someone's else sisters and daughters. But at the same time they don't want anyone to even think about doing Mutah with their own sisters/cousins/daughters.

I shouldn't have said all of that about the forum members, the problem of hypocrisy extends way beyond here. To be fair I will use my family as an example. A few male members married a second wife (some of them without the permission of her father) and quite a few of the other family members DARED anyone to even make as much as a peep about the situation. Then one of our female members turned around and married a married man without her fathers permission and everyone went ballistic! So I asked them, "Why you mad though? It's halal" :shaytan:  then I quoted some of the fatwas and hadiths I learned form here ROFL ::Insert female troll face:: THEY WENT CRAZY ON ME LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. And we are talking about nikah...imagine if it were the other thing!

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 01:50 AM

HOW TO RAISE RELIGIOUS CHILDREN ????......

(Very Informative posting for Parents specially).....

Adolescents do not like to have to rely on others. They do not like to be told what to do, and what not to do, even by their parents. They would like others to have respect for their beliefs; and most importantly, they want to choose their way themselves.

In this article, several points are mentioned, that could help parents attract their young adults to religious matters:

· Show respect for the thoughts and beliefs of your children and let them realize the value of saying prayers, and choose to do it on their own.

· If you rchildren are stil very young, do not overreact if they are not paying enough attention to religious practitioners. Overreaction prevents children from thinking well. Let them feel responsible on the inside.

· Be good role models for your children. Say your prayers on time. This will be a good reminder for your young children.

· Encourage them indirectly. (Give them books about prayers, religious stories, etc.)

· Make them friends with religious children.
Prophet Muhammad said, “Do not put your children under pressure; this will make them disobey.”‌

In most of the times, a mild warning could solve the problem.

Buksten, a western thinker, believes that if you could cut something with a spoon, it is unwise to use a knife to do it.

We should not put our children under pressure to do religious practitioners, as these matters need to be done by love, not by force.
Prophet Muhammad said, “The best among the people is the one who loves carrying out religious practitioners.”‌

By putting our children under pressure we are actually denying the sweetness of religious practitioners from them.



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