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[jasir]

I watched that documentary about the Khufu pyramid. I am not convinced of this being the tower of firaun..
What should be looked for is a mountain of rubble, I have watched a documentary of the temples of ancient Iraq which were made out of baked clay bricks. and they had mostly become rubble and dust.

There was a another documentary I watched by a guy who thinks that there is a 300 years miscalculation due to coexisting dynasties, he might have some points, but I don't think he places Yusuf into the right time.

[viceroy]

Note:

The very first ruler of unified Egypt (i.e. Pharaoh/Per'o or Great Host) inaugurated Dynastic or Pharaonic Egypt. His birthname was Nar-Mer (Angry Catfish). Upon his unification of Upper and Lower Egypt, he assumed the titular name of Me-Na (Everlasting Establisher). Me-Na reigned as ruler of Upper Egypt for 3 years (3203-3200 B.C.), before unifying Egypt in 3200 B.C. after a 2-year war of attrition with Lower Egypt. As Pharaoh of Dynastic Egypt, Me-Na reigned for 62 years (3200-3138 B.C.). Me-Na (Nar-Mer) claimed descent from Neswe Serket I (King Scorpion I) and consciously emulated him throughout his life.

Edited by viceroy, 05 September 2011 - 12:18 AM.

[viceroy]

Note:

In an update on Mena (Narmer), the unifier of ancient Egypt, he was the son of the predynastic ruler of Upper Egypt, Neswe Serk II or Selk II (King Scorpion II) and Queen Shesh I. Queen Shesh I was also the paternal great grandmother of a future Egyptian queen named after her - Queen Shesh II. Queen Shesh II was a daughter of Pharaoh Aha (son and successor of Mena-Narmer) and his queen Hent, and a sister of Djer and Herneith. She married her brother, as did her sister. Shesh II's nephew was a future king of Egypt - Pharaoh Djet, and her niece was a future queen - Merneith.

About a century after the end of the reign of Neswe Serk I or Selk I (King Scorpion I), the cult of Serket-Netert or Selket-Netert (Scorpion Goddess) had emerged in the once monolatrist kingdom of Upper Egypt. The word for "scorpion" in ancient Hieratic is serk or selk.

Excavator Gunter Dreyer (of the German Archaeological Institute of Cairo), had excavated the tomb of Neswe Serk II or Selk II at Nekheny (Hierakonpolis). However, Dreyer's team has upheld that it is in fact the tomb of Neswe Serk I or Selk I (King Scorpion I), the legendary namesake of Neswe Serk II or Selk II (King Scorpion II); the latter ruler of predynastic Egypt was in no way a genealogical descendant of King Scorpion I (Neswe Serk I or Selk I).

Gunter Dreyer's excavation found some of the earliest hieroglyphic writings upon some tags. Among other buried items, there were no less than 700 jars of wine in the tomb.

I am among those who feel that the predynastic royal tomb of Neswe Serk I or Selk I (King Scorpion I) is yet to be excavated (still undiscovered).

[jasir]

I have seen these tags and jars, they dated the writing as earlier than the first writing in Mesopotamia.

[viceroy]

I am a genuine Arab (I come from some country from Arabia proper), but I hate Arabs, in general... However, your comment that the Arabs were criticized in the Quran in NINE (no less) places, really caught my attention... would you please show me these verses? But remember the prophet was an Arab so it would seem a little odd for the Quran to criticize Arabs... perhaps you meant A3rab (meaning bedouins?)

The emoldened quote would only seem a little odd if you are under the impression that Prophet Muhammad actually authored the Holy Qur'an being an Arab, instead of the Almighty (i.e. Al-Lah سبحانه وتعالى)...From Allah's perspective, Muhammad was first and foremost, a ruh al-insan (human soul or spirit) before he was sent amongst the A'arabs (i.e. Arabian Peninsular Arabs) to guide them aright...Considering that Allah سبحانه وتعالى, in general, declared them to be among the worst hypocrites and ingrates. In observing the Saudi ruling family as a prime example, it is quite obvious that Almighty Allah is spot on in His Quranic verdict.

Edited by viceroy, 19 April 2012 - 01:10 PM.

[hasanhh]

Yarrabi !

What is the Khufu(Cheops) stuff.

The Quran reveals: Sura 7:137 all the momuments/buildings of Egypt were DESTROYED.

Therefore, Musa(as) and Aaron(as) predate the pyramids.

Relatedly, the Jewish calander begns at the exodus and starts BEFORE the pyramids were built.

Now ya'll take this the right way: does not anybody think to look up some of these things beforehand?




YarrabiÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, save me from being a damned fool and foolish people.

[viceroy]

Yarrabi !

What is the Khufu(Cheops) stuff.

The Quran reveals: Sura 7:137 all the momuments/buildings of Egypt were DESTROYED.

Therefore, Musa(as) and Aaron(as) predate the pyramids.

Relatedly, the Jewish calander begns at the exodus and starts BEFORE the pyramids were built.

Now ya'll take this the right way: does not anybody think to look up some of these things beforehand?




Yarrabiسبحانه وتعالى, save me from being a damned fool and foolish people.

7:137 And We made a people, considered weak (and of no account), inheritors of lands in both east and west, - lands whereon We sent down Our blessings. The fair promise of thy Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel, because they had patience and constancy, and We levelled to the ground the great works and fine buildings which Pharaoh and his people erected (with such pride).

Waawrathna alqawma allatheenakanoo yustadAAafoona mashariqa al-ardiwamagharibaha allatee barakna feehawatammat kalimatu rabbika alhusna AAalabanee isra-eela bima sabaroo wadammarnama kana yasnaAAu firAAawnu waqawmuhu wamakanoo yaAArishoona.


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To quote your own credo, the only real "damn" FOOL Al-Rabb should save you from is yourself...ROFL

It is obvious you haven't really gone through this entire thread with any scrutiny...Points brought up here need to be microanalyzed to get their full impact...

-- The so-called "Jewish" calendar traditionally commenced from 3761 B.C....Or a thousand years before the very first pyramids were built. The Step Pyramid (designed by Grand Vizier/Tjaty Imhotep) for Pharaoh Djoser was the very first pyramid. Khufu's father Snefru built the most pyramids: Three (3).

-- And the so-called "Jewish" calendar NEVER began at the Exodus (Ex=Out + Hodos=Road) as the Exodus (according to Judeo-Christian timelines) occurred anywhere from circa 1450-1225 BCE...ROFL

-- The Anbiya Musa and Harun couldn't possibly have predated the building of the first pyramids...Watch some documentaries on both Biblical and ancient Egyptian history for your edification. ROFL

-- Qirah Al-Araf mentions the levelling of the Makanoo, not the Sarhan (or the tower or pyramid)...

-- Speaking of looking things up, get a basic education in Egyptology before coming on to a thread and coming across as (you yourself have so articulately put it) a "damn" fool...ROFL

Edited by viceroy, 01 May 2012 - 08:32 AM.

[viceroy]

I watched that documentary about the Khufu pyramid. I am not convinced of this being the tower of firaun..
What should be looked for is a mountain of rubble, I have watched a documentary of the temples of ancient Iraq which were made out of baked clay bricks. and they had mostly become rubble and dust.

There was a another documentary I watched by a guy who thinks that there is a 300 years miscalculation due to coexisting dynasties, he might have some points, but I don't think he places Yusuf into the right time.

Interesting points...I was in contact with a Palestinian-American author named Margaret L. King (she has a Masters in Anthropology) who authored Exodus In The Qur'an. In her book, Ms. King's theory has the entire Bani Israeel episode between Firawn(Pharaoh) and Nabih Musa(Moses), and the Isra(Journey) or Exodus(Out Road), occuring in ancient Iraq (Mesopotamia to the Greeks), instead of ancient Egypt. Her main argument was that the ziggurats of ancient Sumeria(Samarra) were made of baked clay and it was indeed a ziggurat that was the sarhan or tower / pyramid mentioned in the Qur'an. Ms. King upheld that there was a dynasty zero which included Iraq as part of pre-dynastic Egyptian domain...This of course goes contrary to all documentation of Pharaonic history.

However, the debate about the baked clay and the ramps being made of baked clay bricks to build the limestone pyramids (of the 4th Dynasty), as well as fire-baking clay to make gypsum, has already been effectively covered in this thread from what I have read.

Edited by viceroy, 01 May 2012 - 04:29 PM.