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[Fatima Hussain]

Why would you even want mutah with a girl who is willing to have a short term mutah?  Aren't you afraid of many guys she's been with before?  You could easily catch an STD.  And personally, if I found out a guy had done a lot of mutahs, and especially short term ones, I would never marry him.

postmaster1923, on 12 March 2008 - 06:35 PM, said:

All Shia scholars agree that only Muslims and People of the Book are allowed to marry a Muslim man.  A person who does not believe in Christianity is not a Christian.  Please explain to me how a person can be an unbelieving Christian.

I just want to point something out.  I agree with the poster above.  You know, I have met people that self-identify as Christian, but do not believe in any of the tenets of Christianity.  I have met "Christians" who believe in incarceration.  I have met "Christians" that do not believe Jesus was the messiah or even a prophet, and just thought he was a "cool dude."  Just because they say they are Christian does mean they are one.

[salman80]

Hassan2jz, on 11 March 2008 - 02:06 AM, said:

Hi,

I am a young guy and I live in Sydney.
I'm 21 and I practice Muta often.
I have many Shia friends (18-25 males) who are the same and by often, I mean quite often.

That's just how life is in the west, there is too much temptation. I justify it by saying, masturbating is haraam so there goes that option.
Secondly, its not like Iran, Pakistan etc where you aren't really tempted. In summer, the girls walk around pretty much naked (hell even in Winter they'll try their best to take their clothes off.) Whether you're at university, out with friends, or even at work, the girls here are shockingly open and flirtatious.

Recently I had a conversation with my friend; does practicing Muta often, take it outside the realm of being permissible?
I can see quite clearly that it is abused, I will admit, we don't see it as a pre-marriage contract or even marriage, it just a
means for us to get 'what we want.'......

So, is Muta in this form abusive (especially in the West) and is what I do even halal? Or am I just justifying it?

I'd prefer advice from someone who can relate and if you want to criticize me, feel free, I'm trying to help myself
and couldn't care less what others think.....

Thanks,
Hassan.

If you manage to avoid haram on the way, course it is 100% genuine solution, that not only will help you avoid haram, but also enlivens a dead affair of the religion.

Fatima Hussain, on 29 May 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Why would you even want mutah with a girl who is willing to have a short term mutah?  Aren't you afraid of many guys she's been with before?  You could easily catch an STD.  And personally, if I found out a guy had done a lot of mutahs, and especially short term ones, I would never marry him.



I just want to point something out.  I agree with the poster above.  You know, I have met people that self-identify as Christian, but do not believe in any of the tenets of Christianity.  I have met "Christians" who believe in incarceration.  I have met "Christians" that do not believe Jesus was the messiah or even a prophet, and just thought he was a "cool dude."  Just because they say they are Christian does mean they are one.

There are a lot of ways to avoid disease nowadays. And you reason for not marrying a gentleman who has done a lot of Mut'ah is that he may have got an STD? Really? Can't that be figured out with a simple medical test, mandatory for the marraige almost all over the world?

[ImAli]

salman80, on 03 July 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

There are a lot of ways to avoid disease nowadays. And you reason for not marrying a gentleman who has done a lot of Mut'ah is that he may have got an STD? Really? Can't that be figured out with a simple medical test, mandatory for the marraige almost all over the world?

Would you marry a woman who did mut3a alot? Be honest

[salman80]

postmaster1923, on 11 March 2008 - 10:32 PM, said:

If they are willing to fornicate, they are not following Christianity.

Christianity is invalid altogether. Only the "Orf" meaning of a christian would be enough for considering the person as such. This is not my word, it's from Marja. I will post the reference soon as I find it again.

ImAli, on 03 July 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

Would you marry a woman who did mut3a alot? Be honest

Yes, after her "edda" of course. Honest!
Cause if she's done Mut'ah, few or a lot, she has practiced the religion, and avoided haram. I appreciate her submission to the religion. Why shouldn't I do that?

[Abu Hadi]

ummleyla, on 23 June 2008 - 01:41 AM, said:

I totally agree with you brother. And after what I have read, mutah with kuffar is haram. Some even say mutah with those who don't believe in mutah is haram,but Sistani says its halal with jewish and christian. But with REAL jews and christian,not those who are f.ex christian in name and go around half naked and flirt.They are usually kuffar.Those who are REAL christian don't do that.

Salam,

And what do you define as a REAL Christian or Jew ? There is so much variation between denominations and so much controversy within denominations over issues of sex and relationships that there is really no clear definition. For example, many Christians believe that you are saved by faith only and not by works. So if that is the case, then there is no such a concept as halal and haram for them. If they do mutah they are saved, and if they don't do mutah they are saved, (according to them) so, in that case really it is just a matter of her personal choice.

For us, as muslim men, the criteria is you ask them, 'What religion are you ?' If they anwer Christian or Jew then it is halal, there is no need to play religious police for them since there is really no set standard anyway.

Edited by Abu Hadi, 04 July 2012 - 06:52 AM.

[Logical Islam]

The practise is halal. It was allowed by the prophet pbuh, it is in the Quran also.

It has guidelines you know.

Marrige , sadly in our communities, is such an over-drawn process.

To get a girl , you need looks, money, and so and so.

On top the process is pretty long, and me on a personal level, would never marry anyone i did not know to a very good level.

I'd only do this with sunni's/christian/jewish girls,  with an emphasis on christian girls, because their parents or brothers will not personally chop my head off lol.

Mutah makes perfect sense to be honest.

Marrige is always the best recommended option, and masturbation escalates (watching wrong things, red lights ect).

This seems like a good solution.

Mutah can not be with a known fornicator.

Must be with the people of the book i.e believers in God, so not any random girl.

i used to think sex was wrong, and that islam was harsh on it ect and repressed women and men.

But i soon realised anything was allowed in marrige...and on top mutah was allowed too

mutah can be just to talk by the way. It does not have to be the full package.

Fatima Hussain, on 29 May 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Why would you even want mutah with a girl who is willing to have a short term mutah?  Aren't you afraid of many guys she's been with before?  You could easily catch an STD.  And personally, if I found out a guy had done a lot of mutahs, and especially short term ones, I would never marry him.



I just want to point something out.  I agree with the poster above.  You know, I have met people that self-identify as Christian, but do not believe in any of the tenets of Christianity.  I have met "Christians" who believe in incarceration.  I have met "Christians" that do not believe Jesus was the messiah or even a prophet, and just thought he was a "cool dude."  Just because they say they are Christian does mean they are one.

STD = get both of yourselves tested before hand.

Both take contraceptive methods.

It does not have to be full on. It can merely be kissing and hugging. Christian girls sometimes wait for marrige , and won't have sex. Muslims can't kiss and hug(while not married)  whilst christian girls can.

[EastTexasShia]

I live in the west and a practicing Shia by conviction , MashAllah.  I agree and support Mutah.  I mean in the west it is ok to have many girlfriends.  The more you have the higher your"player" status.  Why should Americans look down on someone for taking responsibility and marrying instead of having random relationships?