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[Ojum]

Almuslim, on Aug 16 2007, 03:56 PM, said:

And thats why pc has 95% of users

oh and btw lightyears is for distance.....

Windows has a larger install base because of business practices not because it is a better product. I am a network admin and I deal with windows machines every day. They give a ton of problems while my MAC machines give none.

Mac is more expensive, that is for darn shore but I am willing to pay the premium.

[dingdong]

Really I can guess u r a PC user because u cant understand that I did not mean literal lightyears. Secondly 95% computers users are NOT windows. Thirdly Macs DO NOT cost twice as much. In the Long term they cost less AND they are built with quality in mind unlike most Windows PCs. If u want I can prove it to u. I really feel sorry for ppl who just continue to use Wndows supporting it as though it is the best.

Tell me: When you buy a device like a DVD player or something, normally do u get crashes or hang ups? NOIs that the case with Windows? NO You ppl are used to having ur computer crash and work slowly.

A typical Mac user will have a system crash maybe once a year or two. And system crashes to them are like   . They get worried a sto y their lovely computer crashed. Whereas PC users just take it as a normal part of their computer experience.

[Tayyeb_Jaan]

I think im being pulled in to the mac side........

[dingdong]

lol u r not alone. last year (as far as I remember) half of the macs sold were bought by ppl who were switchers.

u dont need to worry about software. because if u buy a mac and dont like it then u can easily install windows on it like a normal pc. oh and BTW try to sell an old PC. u will get next to nothing for it. try to sell an old mac. its a totally different story.

[Tayyeb_Jaan]

dingdong, on Aug 17 2007, 11:02 AM, said:

lol u r not alone. last year (as far as I remember) half of the macs sold were bought by ppl who were switchers.

u dont need to worry about software. because if u buy a mac and dont like it then u can easily install windows on it like a normal pc. oh and BTW try to sell an old PC. u will get next to nothing for it. try to sell an old mac. its a totally different story.

cool

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

[dingdong]

yup!

Another good thing from Apple (atleast for me) is that they really segment their products. So its quite a bit easier to choose what to get. If you a professional just go for the Mac Pro. If you are a pro and want portability go for the Macbook Pro. If you want a basic usage laptop go for the Macbook. If you want a desktop for your house and dont want the clutter go for the iMac. If you are on a budget and want a desktop or if you want to occasionally move your computer go for the Mac Mini. So its quite easy to choose. The only thing I would say that is missing is a laptop for the Macbook segment with a dedicated GPU not that shameless crap (Intel Integrated). But the reason why Apple is not doing that is because it owuld eat away from the Macbook Pro sales and it would not get them as much profit at the same time.

Oh and for everyone's info the cheapest Mac you can get (as far as I know) is form Honk Kong. That is because HK comes under Apple USA and HK does not have Sales tax. Whereas many (Maybe most) other countries come under Apple Europe which charges an unholy amount of money for some reason.

[Bonafide Hustler]

THere is NO doubt that MAC OS is much beetter then windows, and that microsoft been tryna copy mac os in thier vista attempt

but macs are too expensive, they should lower the damn price

[Tayyeb_Jaan]

Man ima mac now....

Down wit pc!!!!

[dingdong]

Macs are NOT expensive. I can prove it if you want. The problem with Windows is that they try to impress their customers with stuff on paper which does not help at all in the long term because hardware keeps getting developed and getting faster very quickly.

On the other hand Apple will try to impress you with quality which helps a LOT. I can kinda prove it to u if u want. Their prices are alright. IMO

[IraqiMuslim]

dingdong, on Aug 17 2007, 03:32 PM, said:

Macs are NOT expensive. I can prove it if you want. The problem with Windows is that they try to impress their customers with stuff on paper which does not help at all in the long term because hardware keeps getting developed and getting faster very quickly.

On the other hand Apple will try to impress you with quality which helps a LOT. I can kinda prove it to u if u want. Their prices are alright. IMO

PC is so much better
everything new that comes out is compatible with pc but not everything works on a mac

[dingdong]

u know lying is not allowed in Islam?maybe u shud do a bit of research and u will find that lyin is a mjor sin.

anyways stuff DOES work with Mac, the point over here is that we have a few high quality programs unlike PC where there are 100s of low quality programs that make ur computer crash, make ur registry weird, has missing dll files and uninstallation has so many files to remove.

tell me (apart from gaming) what u want to do with a mac, and i will find for u an equivalent or similar program. u ahve forgotten that mac is the industry standard for pros. pros wouldnt use it if it didnt have any programs as u state.

[dingdong]

have u ever tried looking for mac software?

[hassan123]

as much as im pro mac , I hate to admit it but the guy has a point. Compared to ms office, there were no equivalent tools on the mac. Now apple has come out with iwork08 which is a big improvement but 'numbers' still doesnt match up to excel when your are doing advanced stuff like spreadsheet modeling etc.

[dingdong]

uhhh u can get ms office for mac. and u can get neo office or openoffice which IMO are as good. he does NOT have a point.

[Bonafide Hustler]

dingdong, on Aug 17 2007, 03:32 PM, said:

Macs are NOT expensive. I can prove it if you want. The problem with Windows is that they try to impress their customers with stuff on paper which does not help at all in the long term because hardware keeps getting developed and getting faster very quickly.

On the other hand Apple will try to impress you with quality which helps a LOT. I can kinda prove it to u if u want. Their prices are alright. IMO

MACs are expensive

u can get better processors, better graphics cards into pcs and overall the cost will end up less

[Bonafide Hustler]

dingdong, on Aug 18 2007, 06:22 AM, said:

uhhh u can get ms office for mac. and u can get neo office or openoffice which IMO are as good. he does NOT have a point.

i dont understand why msoffice is even a part of this debate, all the big software runs on mac the problem is that alot of opensource projects created by individuals and small teams on the internet do not work on mac, very few of them do


alot of small nifty tools are created only for windows by these open source projects


sure ull get most but not all of the major software to run on a mac, but windows has a big advantage interms of open source

and trust me, these open source softwares are often alot beetter then the expensive commercialized ones



BUT BUT it all changed when apple released bootcamp, so now u can run windows on  amac, so if i could afford a mac now, id def buy it

but it is still expensive so forget it

[Fasiha Jafri]

IraqiMuslim, on Aug 17 2007, 02:39 PM, said:

PC is so much better
everything new that comes out is compatible with pc but not everything works on a mac

thats why they have this:

[hassan123]

dingdong, on Aug 18 2007, 06:22 AM, said:

uhhh u can get ms office for mac. and u can get neo office or openoffice which IMO are as good. he does NOT have a point.

Are u talking about the same ms office 2004 package for mac that doesnt even have access and publisher?It cant even copy text from one window to the other when running on parallels. Also repeating my point again, those open source apps that you are tlaking about do not have all the features(google for the cons of each one) and the only way to have those features added in is to request the developers and donate money to have it done quicker.

[dingdong]

Open Source. It means that the source code is open. So well why dont u compile the program yourself?

Secondly yes Mac does have less software. Those small nifty programs are not always good in quality. When you use a Mac, you wont need small repair programs and stuff. Anyways you should be able to find an alternative.

Thirdly yes you do get better processors and stuff on Pcs. But when the Mac Pro came out, it WAS cheaper than a simliar Dell. Then the Apple hardware is tightly integrated with the software so there are way less problems. No driver issues and stuff. As I said earlier Macs are cheaper in the long run compared to PCs. Like typical unintuitive PC manufacturers, you have fallen for the notion that faster processors and stuff are necessarily always better. That is not true. You get quality with the Mac not quantity.

About MSOffice, well maybe you need to ask somewhere on the forums as to how to do that. (copy thing). Access should be coming out with Office 2008.

Just because you dont have a program in a package doesnt mean that you drop the whole OS. Overall Macs are way better than Windows.

We have to remember that the Mac is a luxury/premium product. It does not fall in the same category as some budget PC manufacturers who do not care about quality.

You only appreciate this once you use a Mac which is an experience and cant be written down on paper.

[Nocturne]

Ahh... The Mac vs PC debate. Isn't Mac a PC too fellas? After all MAC Is a Computer too. I have tried Apple's OS on my Home computer and it was fast and looked pretty cool compared to Microsoft's XP but I like choosing Computer parts my self etc. etc. Non-Apple-non branded computers give you that option.

You can't directly compare Apple's to Microsoft's OS or others because Apple's got a tight integrated environment for their OS & softwares unlike Microsoft or others for which there's variety of hardware one can choose and same for software. I'll compare both when Apple releases their OS for running on all computers not those who are named MAC.

I hate the kind of advertising Apple does though. Plus they should think about lowering it's price too. Oh and check this btw: Reviewing iPhone may be dangerous

[Tayyeb_Jaan]

hehe i just noticed this topic got moved

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It is about Mac and Windows



umm
arn't Macs PC's?


cuz Mac are personal computers

Edited by <HAMED>, 19 August 2007 - 01:33 PM.

[dingdong]

Atleast until steveJobs is there, I dont think Mac OSX wil ever come out on all computers. Because Apple is gettng profits from the hardware. Those who want to buy Macs will most probably buy them even if they are Apple branded.

Apple is a hardware company and like on electronic devices, puts its own OS on it. Whereas MS is a software copany where you have tog et your own hardware. Apple is still following the marketting style that was used when computers were first out. Companies used to make their own hardware, which all had different processors (like PowerPc and X86), then they made their own Os ANd as far as I know they made the applications also themselves for the customers. Back then the applications were not advanced.

[Mohsin]

This just in: This topic marks 95847450013th PC vs Mac debate.

Old news: Macs have fanboys, PCs have users.

[<HAMED>]

that is true Mohsin

very true
^^

did u want to check that video i posted the link to a few posts back?

Edited by <HAMED>, 20 August 2007 - 08:02 PM.