Zara28, on Aug 8 2007, 08:44 PM, said:
You keep repeating the same points whilst ignoring mine. Btw, I have read all of your posts, thank you.I think you know I have a good argument which is why you and the other slightly fundementalist on here get so unbelievably self-rightous.
You are fixating because of YOUR need to curse 100 times. If a person chooses to read Tawwasul over Ashura, that is their choice and not down to you! I think you would prefer to arm yourself with as much hatred so it keeps the fire burning towards yout Sunni brethren. Please don't make any more excuses for yourself. I have already made my views know several times if not more.
Oh and by the way, I am fully within my rights to read Tawwasul and not Ashura if I so wish. I have asked advice from a Shia alim who is very well respected in the community and even supports me in reading Tawwasul everyday - it has great benefits that I have personally expreience since doing so.
from fundamentalist to fanatical to slightly fundamentalist.............this is what your conjecture does to you.
sis i swear by Allah(swt) and the masumeen(as) that even if you had an iota of correctness in your argument, i would be the first one to accept it.
the reason i am here to argue the other side is because i feel your argument is flawed.
i don't know what is so hard to get sis, i have repeated a hundred times that sunnis are my brothers, and not just metaphorically but literally too(cousins). how can i hate someone for his/her ignorance. that is unfair and not right.
i repeat again the fixation you talk about is not mine, it is from the masumeen(as).
sis you have a choice to read ziarat ashura but when you do the choice ends there for you have to read what is prescribed. also you do not have a choice to give weightage to any particular dua over another. the only choice you have is to read what you want to. if there was such a thing as weightage, ashura would tip the scales by far.
now tell me what stops you from not reciting tawassul next, as you are choosing according to your own whims. as you said yourself that tawassul also has laan in it and one fine morning you might decide that in your hippy hippy land/whirling dervish frame of mind that this is not quite right. there should be no laans in our goody goody/PC/appeasement lives. and you say no tawassul for me.
at the lower level of iman yes you are within your rights to choose what you read, but at the higher spiritual level these duas become a sort of a fard. it is like for the prophet
salat ul layl was fard whereas for else it is not.
and by the way people at the higher level of iman and when they are closer to the aimah(as) do not shout about it. it is a closely guarded secret. it is mainly the people from india and pakistan who like to profess their higher state of spirituality. and no stars for guessing why. for they have none/JALI PIR.
believe me i have cousins as well who are 'spiritually gifted' . don't know their elbow ...... and all i have to say to shut them up is that if you are so spiritually charged move the picture for me. well they start to turn red and black and blue. but guess what. the picture stays exactly where it was.
why ? for choosing
not to read ashura because their whims and conjecture
tells them so. if you really feel convinced that it is not the right ziarat to be read then try and prove it unauthentic, that is the correct approach and method.
get out of your stubborn mode, accept with an open heart and Allah(swt) behaqe masoomeen(as) will give you more manifold.
Edited by haideriam, 08 August 2007 - 05:10 PM.
O! rabb of muhammad(sawws) and ali muhammad(as) make me a slave of the slaves of the ahlulbayt (as)
Haideriam Qalandarum Mastum
Man bandae Ali(as) Murtaza hastam
Peshwahe tamam rindanam
ke man saghe kuhe Yazdanam
"this is my point, you can't stick to hadith thaqalayn if u do not have a comprehensive knowledge of quran and ahlul bayt (A) and this is where scholarship comes in.
unless u have a direct link to imam mahdi who can instruct u that we do not know about or perhaps have videorecordings of what happened in history with ahlul bayt (A)."