Bro a follower, I think she is saying this:
Today we should not encourage cursing certain people because the situation today it causes harm and we should push towards unity. (the issue is cursing outwardly is the same as encouraging outwardly, it causes the same hate, and you know very well how Saudi Arabi is exploiting hate today)
If you look towards the examples of Imams
, you would see their lives devoted to helping people and guiding people and showed outmost forbearance and patience. Hence, we should focus on this much needed teaching of Imams
Ziyarat Aushura - most of the versions don't have anything about the first and 2nd and third, there is only version about that, correct me if I'm wrong. Anyways, even with the one with referal to the first three in particular, it has no mention of the names, so why not mention the names? It mentions names of others, but the name of the first 3? Their is many reports of ziyarat of Hussain
and different versions, how many of them say to curse 100 times? Only one? Bro, ziyarat aushura is encouraged, but there is more then one version. And the other versions is what we recite at my masjid.
The situation today is different in the past, she isn't against what Ahlulbayt
said, but she believes the situation today calls for a different type of action.
It's true Quran curses Abu Lahab, but did Rasool (saw) come and start cursing all their heroes that got killed? or did he starting cursing all their heroes while he was calling the message? It curses the enemies of God in general, the Rasool
however didn't tell his followers to start cursing them. The Imams
however did curse the enemies of God of that time, the oppressors and their supporters, because their situation was different right?
I tried to shead light on this issue. Some differences are the following:
What occured to Ahlel-Bayt
, particularly the first Imam
, was not unclear or ambigious. His position was not unclear or ambigious. Today it's unclear because most people are not aware of the various traditions in praise of Ali
. infact, most don't even know of hadithal thaqalain and think the Prophet
said "Quran and Suna".
The oppression Imams
and their followers were facings was not going to be increased by whether they curse or not. Cursing rather was a sign of defiance, however, it seemed it didn't have it's proper effect on most of the shias, as the shias yet never got the resolve to overthrow the oppressors. Cursing the enemies of Imams
meant to show opposition to the people who were destroying Islam and were oppressors. It meant to show true support for Imams
and resolve to help their cause.
Today however, the enemies of Islam are exploiting division and causing harm to Islam. Who are the enemies of Imam
today? Do you curse them 100 times a day? Think about the situation, does it really help to encourage cursing the first two? Or does it have the opposite impact? Is it a resolve to oppose the oppressors of our time, or does it instead cause disunity and opposes a united stand against the enemies of Islam?
Did the Imams
curse the killers of Yahya
constantly, or did they curse the oppressors of this umma? They dealt with their times, their situation. We need to do the same.
Our situation - scholars today - who are very well aware of the hadiths, are telling us to strive for unity and avoid things that cause disunity. The sister is just voicing her view, that in the context of today, cursing shouldn't be encouraged and instead, we need to recall the examples of the Imams
and try to follow their example more. She isn't against the hadiths of the Imams
, but she sees in a different context and sees the situation today calls for a different approach from her understanding of Quran and Ahlulbayt
teachings and examples.
perscribe curing the killers of the Prophets
a hundred times? But perhaps the Prophets
of bani-Israel did bro. Do you get what i'm saying. Today is cursing the killers of Yahya
going to help? Perhaps it would have helped during time of Isa
, etc. But certainly what will it it to today?
This is the different perspective, the encouragement is seen in it's time, but today's time calls perhaps for different approach because the situation is much different. She is voicing that view, and I agree with this view.
Now whether people agree with her view or not is another thing, however, it has nothing to do with her believing or not believing the teachings of Imams
. Just a different perspective.
Edited by Awakened, 05 August 2007 - 02:10 PM.