There’s a lot of reference made to the jealousy of women being kufr, and so used as a way of shutting down those women who will object to being in a polygamous marriage. While it is true that there are narrations of such a sort, they can be understood in the context of actual denial of God’s laws and trying to change them to suit one’s feelings or in committing some evil as a consequence of it. Simply having a preference not to be in such a situation, as well as having the very human reaction of feeling jealousy for one’s spouse shouldn’t always be pinned down to the women being some wicked heathen out to destroy Islam.. So, in reference to the ahadith, one should like in a lot of these things try to find some balance in what they say. A good example for the jealousy issue would to cite this hadith on the topic:
[ 25296 ] 5 ـ وعن أبي علي الاشعري ، عن محمد بن عبد الجبار ، عن صفوان ، عن اسحاق بن عمار قال : قلت لابي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) : المرأة تغار على الرجل تؤذيه قال : ذاك من الحب .
imam Ale says the jealousy of the female is kufr how do you want to explain that away??? do you know anything worse than KUFR ? how do oyu jsutify kufr?
in which religion is KUFR justified ?
what balance do you want to find ?? if you accept the hadeeth that says its kufr then you need to oppose it
if oyu reject the hadeeth then thats another topic
as for the hadeeth that you mentioned about jelaousy being from love we know this,,,, this hadeeth is not jsutifying jealousy ,,,, its telling you the reason..... its the love of posession,,,, when the wife loves to posess you she is jealous .....
love of posession comes from the love of the self
love of the self and love of posession is the same thing which pushes the thief to steal so can we also have a balanced approach towards theft because its a natural desire to love the self and love the posession???
a thief's love for posession makes him try to aquire the posessions of others .....
natural desires need to be regulated by gods laws and crimes done due to the humans natural desire are not justified simply because its a natural human desire ....
Should the woman be annoying her husband with her jealousy? No, but is it that she’s just some evil women whose nearly a kafir? Of course not, the Imam simply explains it’s normal reaction to the fact of her loving him.
a kafir is oen who commits the kufr , offcourse there are levels of kufr but imam Ali says the jealousy of the female is KUFR
he didnt say "nearely kufr" he said " kufr"
do you dismiss that hadeeth because it doesnt suit you ?
otherwise how can you say some one who commits kufr is not kafir ???
some one who commits theft is not a thief ?
some one who commits forincation is not a fornicator?
some one who lies is not a liar?
and not just because the motive of her jealousy is the love it means its a good thing ..... not every love is a good thing,,, some people loved imam Ail to a level that they turned him into a god is that a good thing ?
her love for her posession (her husband) is a selfish love... like you love your car and you dont want anyone to touch it .... its the love of the material,,,, jealousy is posessiveness which is the love of the posession which stems from the love of the self which is selfishness
to posess a man is a bad thing because he is allowed three other wives and hence it would run in conflict with what god allowed ...
Now, as to the hadiths recommending the performance of mut`a, yes, the hadiths clearly recommend it and encourage its practice, so no one can deny that. But why do they encourage it so much? The answer to that might be seen in hadiths like this one:
[ 26398 ] 11 ـ وبالاسناد عن ابن عيسى ، عن ابن الحجاج ، عن العلا ، عن محمد بن مسلم ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : قال لي : تمتعت ؟ قلت : لا ، قال : لا تخرج من الدنيا حتى تحيي السنة .
11 – And by the isnad from Ibn `Isa from Ibn al-Hajjaj from al-`Ala from Muhammad b. Muslim from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: He said to me: Have you done mut`a? I said: No. He said: Do not leave the world until you have revived the Sunna.
See that part about reviving the Sunna? Now look at this hadith:
[ 26396 ] 9 ـ محمد بن يعقوب ، عن محمد بن يحيى ، عن أحمد بن محمد ، عن علي بن الحكم ، عن بشر بن حمزة ، عن رجل من قريش قال : بعثت إلى ابنة عم لي كان لها مال كثير : قد عرفت كثرة من يخطبني من الرجال فلم أزوجهم نفسي ، وما بعثت اليك رغبة في الرجال غير أنه بلغني أنه أحلها الله في كتابه وسنها رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) في سنته فحرمها زفر ، فأحببت أن أطيع الله عز وجل فوق عرشه وأطيع رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) وأعصي زفر فتزوجني متعة ، فقلت لها : حتى أدخل على أبي جعفر ( عليه السلام ) فأستشيره ، قال : فدخلت عليه فخبرته ، فقال : افعل صلى الله عليكما من زوج .
9 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from `Ali b. al-Hakam from Bishr [Bashir – in al-Kafi] b. Hamza from a man of Quraysh. He said: The daughter of an aunt of mine who has a lot of property sent to me: I had known that many men had sought my hand and I have not married myself to them and I have not sent to you desiring men except that it has reached me that Allah has made mut`a halal in His book and the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله سلم legislated [stated – in al-Kafi] it in his Sunna, then Zufar made it haram, so I love that I should obey Allah عز وجل above His Throne and obey the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله and disobey Zufar. So marry me (in) mut`a. So I said to her: (Wait) until I enter upon Abu Ja`far عليه السلام and take his counsel. So I entered and sought his counsel. So he said: Do it, Allah bless you (two) from a spouse (?).
There it’s explicitly being done as a way of re-emphasizing its legitimacy in against those who said it was haram.
so if its not done for reviving the sunnah what is its law? haraam? makrooh ?
But what about without that motivation in mind? Should one still be obsessed over getting as many mut`a as you can to fill your near infinite sexual needs?
[ 26423 ] 4 ـ وعن عدة من أصحابنا ، عن سهل بن زياد ، عن محمد بن الحسن بن شمون قال : كتب أبو الحسن ( عليه السلام ) إلى بعض مواليه لا تلحوا على المتعة انما عليكم إقامة السنة فلا تشغلوا بها عن فرشكم وحرائركم فيكفرن ويتبرين ويدعين على الآمر بذلك ويلعنونا .
4 – And from a number of our companions from Sahl b. Ziyad from Muhammad b. al-Hasan b. Shammun. He said: Abu ‘l-Hasan عليه السلام wrote to some of his supporters: Do not insist on mut`a, only the establishment of the Sunna is upon you. So do not preoccupy (yourself) with it from your beds and free (women), then they would do kufr and bara’at and call upon the authorities to you by that, and they would curse us.
!!!! I am in total harmouny with these hadeeths which say do not obsess with muta and do excess,,,
Am have always advised against excessiveness and israaf and mentioned many times that the prophet hates the sampling men and women and that a man ideally should convert the muta wife to permanant so i dont know why you accuse me of promoting excessiveness ???
Now what about having mut`a with a loose women or even a prostitute, something else that gets brought up here with long lists of fatawa to somehow prove the point. Thing is there’s a clear difference between saying something is a legitimate marriage (i.e. it’s not fornication and so no punishment for it) and then actually encouraging one to engage in it.. In the case of going with such a woman, one can fiqhi see the argument that the haram does not make the halal haram, so the woman’s haram lifestyle doesn’t in itself make the halal route (marriage) forbidden. But should you do it?
[ 26436 ] 4 ـ وعن علي بن إبراهيم ، عن محمد بن عيسى ، عن يونس ، عن محمد بن الفضيل قال : سألت أبا الحسن ( عليه السلام ) عن المرأة الحسناء الفاجرة ، هل تحب للرجل أن يتمتع منها يوما أو أكثر ؟ فقال : إذا كانت مشهورة بالزنا فلا يتمتع منها ولا ينكحها .
4 – And from `Ali b. Ibrahim from Muhammad b. `Isa from Yunus from Muhammad b. al-Fudayl. He said: I asked Abu ‘l-Hasan عليه السلام about the beautiful dissolute woman, is it beloved [is it permissible – in al-Kafi] for the man to do mut`a with her for a day or more? So he said: If she is famous with fornication, then do not do mut`a with her and do not marry her.
[ 26434 ] 2 ـ وعن علي بن إبراهيم ، عن أبيه ، عن ابن أبي عمير ، عن عبدالله بن أبي يعفور ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) ، قال : سألته عن المرأة ولا يدري ما حالها ، أيتزوجها الرجل متعة ؟ قال : يتعرض لها ، فإن أجابته إلى الفجور فلا يفعل .
2 – And from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Ibn Abi `Umayr from `Abdullah b. Ya`fur from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: I asked him about the woman whose state is not known, does the man marry her in mut`a? He said: Present (it) to her, and if she responds to him with promiscuity then do not do it.
[ 26435 ] 3 ـ وعن عدة من أصحابنا ، عن أحمد بن محمد البرقي ، عن داود بن إسحاق الحذاء ، عن محمد بن الفيض قال : سألت أبا عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) عن المتعة ؟ قال : نعم ، إذا كانت عارفة ـ إلى أن قال : ـ واياكم والكواشف والدواعي والبغايا وذوات الازواج ، قلت : ما الكواشف ؟ قال : اللواتي يكاشفهن وبيوتهن معلومة ويؤتين ، قلت : فالدواعي ؟ قال : اللواتي يدعون إلى أنفسهن وقد عرفن بالفساد ، قلت : فالبغايا ؟ قال : المعروفات بالزنا ، قلت : فذوات الازواج ؟ قال : المطلقات على غير السنة .
3 – And from a number of our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad al-Barqi from Dawud b. Ishaq the shoemaker from Muhammad b. al-Fayd. He said: I asked Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام about mut`a. He said: Yes, when she is `arifa – until he said: And beware of the uncoverers and the inviters and the wh.ores and the ones with husbands. I said: What are the uncoverers? He said: Those who are uncovered and their houses are known and come to. I said: So the inviters? He said: Those who invite to themselves and are known with corruption. I said: So the who.res? He said: The ones who are known with fornication. He said: So the ones with husbands? He said: The divorced upon other than the Sunna.
these hadeeths and hadeeths contradicting them have been examined by the scholars.... if you are a mujtahid you can give your opeion otherwise i gave you the openion of the scholars regarding this issue and its the permissibility with karahyah
some say its prohibited as a precaution and some say its allowed as an absolute fatwa and therefore the buttom line is that its permissible with karahyah
I didnt give my own openion but i gave the openion of many scholars about this topic and you seem to contradict that so how did you come to that conclusion ???
did you do ijtihad and come up with a fatwa that says the absolute prohibition? or is your prohibition precautionary? how come not one scholar that I know of has given an absolute prohibition ? if your fatwa is precautionary it means your not sure so why do you expect people to folow you?
I said its a good solution for forincators and masturbators and pornography addicts which is propably 90% of us because its a makrooh and a makrooh that can take you out of haraam becomes obligatory on you.
pimping is arranging forincation , if you arrange a muta with a prostitute you are not a pimp .. dont mix the issues
[ 34483 ] 1 ـ محمد بن يعقوب ، عن علي بن إبراهيم ، عن أبيه ، عن محمد بن سليمان ، عن عبدالله بن سنان ، قال : قلت لأبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) : أخبرني عن القواد ما حده ؟ قال : لا حد على القواد ، أليس إنما يعطى الأجر على أن يقود ؟ ! قلت : جعلت فداك ، إنما يجمع بين الذكر والانثى حراما ، قال : ذاك المؤلف بين الذكر والانثى حراما ، فقلت : هو ذاك ، قال : يضرب ثلاثة أرباع حد الزاني خمسة وسبعين سوطا ، وينفى من المصر الذي هو فيه . . الحديث .
1 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father [from Salih b. as-Sindi – additional in al-Faqih] from Muhammad b. Sulayman from `Abdullah b. Sinan. He said: I asked Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام: Inform me about the procurer (al-qawwad, used for pimp but also means a procurer), what is his hadd? He said: There is no hadd upon the procurer. Is it not that he is only given the wage for what he procures? I said: May I be made your ransom! However, he brings together the male and the female in a haram manner. He said: That is the combiner (al-mu’allif) between the male and the female in a haram manner. So I said: He is that. He said: He is struck with three fourths of the hadd of the fornicator, seventy-five lashings, and he is exiled from the city which he is in (- to the rest of the hadith)
[ 34484 ] 2 ـ قال : وفي خبر آخر : لعن رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) الواصلة والمؤتصلة ـ يعني : الزانية والقوادة في هذا الخبر ـ .
2 – He said: And in another narration: The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله cursed the connector (al-waasila, fem.) and the connected (al-mu’tasila, fem.) – meaning the fornicatress (i.e. prostitute) and the madam in this report.
yes this is right , whoever arranges forincation is a pimp
but muta is not forincation and hence arranging that is not pimping
[ 26421 ] 2 ـ وعنه ، عن المختار بن محمد بن المختار ، وعن محمد بن الحسن ، عن عبدالله بن الحسن العلوي جميعا ، عن الفتح بن يزيد قال : سألت أبا الحسن ( عليه السلام ) عن المتعة ؟ فقال : هي حلال مباح مطلق لمن لم يغنه الله بالتزويج فليستعفف بالمتعة ، فإن استغنى عنها بالتزويج فهي مباح له إذا غاب عنها .
2 – And from him from al-Mukhtar b. Muhammad b. al-Mukhtar and from Muhammad b. al-Hasan from `Abdullah b. al-Hasan al-`Alawi all from al-Fath b. Yazid. He said: I asked Abu ‘l-Hasan عليه السلام about mut`a. So he said: It is absolutely halal (and) permissible for the one whom Allah has not made him free of need by marriage so he seeks chastity by mut`a. So he is without need of it by marriage, then it is permissible for him if he is absent from her.
See the conditionality of availability of the wife above? So it’s not necessarily just cut and dry, it’s the man’s right and that’s that as some might think it is.
its not saying anything about the prohibition or karahyah if you already had a wife
And what about engaging in mut`a with non-Muslim women (which is generally what we’d be talking about here in these societies). Well, if you have a Muslim wife already, you really should think twice about it:
[ 26471 ] 7 ـ محمّد بن عليّ بن الحسين بإسناده عن سعدان ، عن أبي بصير ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : لا تزوجوا اليهودية ولا النصرانية على حرة متعة وغير متعة .
7 – Muhammad b. `Ali b. al-Husayn by his isnad from Sa`dan from Abu Basir from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: Do not marry the Jewish woman nor the Christian woman upon a free woman in mut`a or in other than mut`a.
And then this one about marrying a dhimmi upon (i.e. while you are already married to) a Muslima:
[ 26303 ] 4 ـ محمد بن علي بن الحسين بإسناده عن الحسن بن محبوب ، عن هشام بن سالم ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) في رجل تزوج ذمية على مسلمة قال : يفرق بينهما ويضرب ثمن حد الزاني اثني عشر سوطا ونصفا ، فان رضيت المسلمة ضرب ثمن الحد ولم يفرق بينهما ، قلت : كيف يضرب النصف ؟ قال : يؤخذ السوط بالنصف فيضرب به .
4 – Muhammad b. `Ali b. al-Husayn by his isnad from al-Hasan b. Mahbub from Hisham b. Salim from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام regarding a man who married a dhimmi woman upon a Muslim woman. He said: They are separated and he is struck an eighth of the hadd of the fornicator, twelve and a half lashes. So if the Muslim woman accepts (or, is content) he is struck an eighth of the hadd and they are not separated. I said: How is he struck the half? He said: The lash is taken by the middle (or, the half) and he is struck with it.
this stuff is doubtful because its in direct contradiction of verse 5:5
balance doesnt mean hypocrisy ,,, one needs to have a stance from things and be honnest about what they belive regardless of the results and concern for thier own popularity