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[huda]

i have been closely related to some shia families of molanas here in pakistan but what kinda thing is tayyiba bukhari.......good narrator but very expensive

[Fairly_Odd_Girl]

huda, on Mar 19 2007, 03:16 PM, said:

i have been closely related to some shia families of molanas here in pakistan but what kinda thing is tayyiba bukhari.......good narrator but very expensive

I heard she read somewhere in the UK, anyone know where? She's pretty popular it seems.

I suppose the more popular, the more expensive.

[Rawshni]

^

Tayyeba Bokharai and Razia Batool are two women speakers that the traditionalist, hidebound, conservative Hawazeh system showcaeses as an exemplary product for women's religious education.

[Member1]

^ yep for sure

razia is becomin the first female mujtahid...apparently

[ya abaz zahra madad]

salam

im a die heart fan of khanum tayyaba bukhari   and although i do agree with you guys that she is expensive but then you shud keep in mind that raising 4 kids is not easy 4 a single mother esp in pakistan.
secondly the amount of knowledge she has it takes alot of effort and shud be well payed 4 dat.
a year before from now she wasnt that expensive but suddenly i dont know why(maybe cuz people were calling her too much to read their majalis) dat she made a fixed rate for her majalis.

i wud luv to ask her this question myself just to clear other ppls doubts against her but i think its rude.

but what ever the case maybe we shud focus more on wat she preaches then on wat she takes cuz dat doesn't effect us in any way. dats her personal matter.
ws

[q-tip]

Rawshi, your posts seem to have degenerated into a lot of insults lately.  Tayyiba Bukhari is known as an 'alima not just a speaker.  Your criticism seems to me to be more about attacking her character as well as that of individuals in the hawza (Lord alone knows who they are since you have not named them).  Being pessimistic is not the sign of intellectualism.  Just out of curiosity, since you seem to consider yourself a person above Tayyiba Bukhari, where have you lectured?  Who were your teachers?  What good books have you written?

Although other countries are filled with good ulema both (both men and women mujtahids), Pakistan is lucky to have any scholars, especially a lady one.  I think that we should be more careful in how we talk about them.  Yes, none of these scholars is infallible and is open to intellectual criticism, but we should be careful to not act in such a way as if their being masoom is what we expect from them and that we should be harsh on them for the Qur'an is opposed to such akhlaq.

wa salaam.

[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

Female mujtahid: Everytime I hear that it just makes me laugh.

[seema]

ohh yes once i was in Rawalpindi i attended majlis recited by Tayyiba bukhari  in my Aunti,s house Bargah-e-Sakina.She is very well known and have a great knowledge.Any body of you ever listen to Sayyada Nawab??

[Rawshni]

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Hasan_Sajjad, on Mar 19 2007, 04:00 PM, said:

^ She recently recited in NY. She studied in Qom for several years and from the majlises I heard she recited, she seems to have a lot of knowledge. She apparently was in Qom for over a decade, so I would not be surprised that she is a female mujtahid after hearing her lectures.
Hasan Sajjad
President

Queen_Shah_UK, on Apr 9 2007, 06:38 AM, said:

^ yep for sure

razia is becomin the first female mujtahid...apparently

Just to set the record straight. Khanom Nuzhat Amini was the first woman to be given the ijazaeh-e-ijtehad, almost a century ago. She is the founder of the Madresseh Aminieh for girls/women, which can be considered the female version of Fayziyeh.

She was also the author of many books a large number of them in 'arabi.

Razia Batool and Tayyeba Bokhari are nowhere near Nuzhat Amini so far as knowledheability is concerned.


Wassalaam

Edited by Rawshni, 14 April 2007 - 06:41 PM.

[q-tip]

Actually there are people who proceeded Khanum Amini but in any case that has nothing to do with how much knowledge Maulatana Sayeda Bukhari has.  On what basis do you say she does not have knowledge?  Who has told you this?  Because it is quite apparent you don't have all that much knowledge to make such comments by yourself.

[ya abaz zahra madad]

seema, on Apr 12 2007, 09:08 AM, said:

ohh yes once i was in Rawalpindi i attended majlis recited by Tayyiba bukhari  in my Aunti,s house Bargah-e-Sakina.She is very well known and have a great knowledge.Any body of you ever listen to Sayyada Nawab??

salam

ive heard sayyeda nawab but now i avoid listening to her cuz she describes hazrat alis fazail in a eweird way
very much like comparing hazrat ali and Allah(god 4bid)
this might seem weird   but i got that impression after hearing her majalis.
and secondly she talks on nothing other than fazaile ali which is not wrong but when ur at such a respectable position
where so many ppl (there are loads of ppl who come to listen to her at least in pindi) like u and listen to u shud try to mention and correct the faults of the society. except all u hear is naray haidri after every 10mins and when u go home u realise
that after listening to her for 45mins u werent able to gain any message.

hope i didnt offend any1.
ws

[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

ya abaz zahra madad, on Apr 15 2007, 06:52 AM, said:

all u hear is naray haidri after every 10mins and when u go home u realise
that after listening to her for 45mins u werent able to gain any message.

Hearing and saying Ya Ali is ibbadat in itself, and one of the best message.

If someone doesn't gain anything from it then they should..... (you can fill in the blanks).

[al-syedia]

well well
seems like a new scholar whose gonna filll some knowledge gaps here

[Abuzar]

huda, on Mar 19 2007, 07:16 PM, said:

i have been closely related to some shia families of molanas here in pakistan but what kinda thing is tayyiba bukhari.......good narrator but very expensive

This was apparently a rhetorical question. Yes, she is one of the good orators around in Pakistan today and she is a religious scholar.

If the facts are as stated in the last part of your statement, it is very sad. We had arranged her majalis as well as tafseer sessions in Lahore till 2001. She did not ask for any money and was seemingly satisfied (in that she continued with the majalis and the sessions) with what hadiya we were able to give her.... certainly not on the 'expensive' side!  

Hasan_Sajjad, on Mar 20 2007, 02:00 AM, said:

^ She recently recited in NY.  She studied in Qom for several years and from the majlises I heard she recited, she seems to have a lot of knowledge.  She apparently was in Qom for over a decade, so I would not be surprised that she is a female mujtahid after hearing her lectures.

Yes, relatively speaking, she is quite knowledgable when compared to the general level of knowledge possessed by most zakiras in Pakistan. As she has left Qum quite a few years ago - almost a decade now - she does not apparently intend to pursue studies towards ijtehad.

Fairly_Odd_Girl, on Apr 1 2007, 11:29 PM, said:

I suppose the more popular, the more expensive.

Not if you are serving the Ahl-e-Bait rather than selling your knowledge and popularity.

Rawshni, on Apr 1 2007, 11:36 PM, said:

^

Tayyeba Bokharai and Razia Batool are two women speakers that the traditionalist, hidebound, conservative Hawazeh system showcaeses as an exemplary product for women's religious education.

If so, such 'showcasing' of these two specific ladies would have to be either a systemic part of the hawzavi system - which it is not, or alternatively the act of some specific person(s) in the hawza. Could you identify him/her/them?
  

Queen_Shah_UK, on Apr 9 2007, 04:38 PM, said:

^ yep for sure

razia is becomin the first female mujtahid...apparently

Khanum Razia is indeed pursuing studies towards ijtehad - she has been attending dars-e kharij for about 5 years now. However, if she reaches that level, she would not be the first Shi'a woman to have done so.

ya abaz zahra madad, on Apr 12 2007, 06:06 PM, said:

salam

im a die heart fan of khanum tayyaba bukhari   and although i do agree with you guys that she is expensive but then you shud keep in mind that raising 4 kids is not easy 4 a single mother esp in pakistan.
secondly the amount of knowledge she has it takes alot of effort and shud be well payed 4 dat.
a year before from now she wasnt that expensive but suddenly i dont know why(maybe cuz people were calling her too much to read their majalis) dat she made a fixed rate for her majalis.

i wud luv to ask her this question myself just to clear other ppls doubts against her but i think its rude.

but what ever the case maybe we shud focus more on wat she preaches then on wat she takes cuz dat doesn't effect us in any way. dats her personal matter.
ws

Not just this lady but all knowledgable religious scholars who recite majalis have economic needs. That would, however, not justify their asking for any money in return for zikr-e-Husain (alaihissalam), what to talk of being expensive - for if they do they become traders of the blood of Imam Husain (alaihissalam).

What one preaches is not only through his/her speech, but also - perhaps more so - through their acts. If words and deeds do not match, it is hypocritical - and it is the personality that affects the audience, not just words.

MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT, on Apr 12 2007, 06:50 PM, said:

Female mujtahid: Everytime I hear that it just makes me laugh.

Pardon me for not joining you in laughter, for when this sinner hears the term he is reminded, among others,  of such holy personalities as Fatemah Masumah (of Qum) and Hakimah Khatoon

Rawshni, on Apr 15 2007, 04:37 AM, said:

Just to set the record straight. Khanom Nuzhat Amini was the first woman to be given the ijazaeh-e-ijtehad, almost a century ago. She is the founder of the Madresseh Aminieh for girls/women, which can be considered the female version of Fayziyeh.

She was also the author of many books a large number of them in 'arabi.

Razia Batool and Tayyeba Bokhari are nowhere near Nuzhat Amini so far as knowledheability is concerned.

It appears that the emboldened statement wasn't an issue here, or was it?

q-tip, on Apr 15 2007, 05:17 AM, said:

Actually there are people who proceeded Khanum Amini but in any case that has nothing to do with how much knowledge Maulatana Sayeda Bukhari has.  On what basis do you say she does not have knowledge?  Who has told you this?  Because it is quite apparent you don't have all that much knowledge to make such comments by yourself.

ya abaz zahra madad, on Apr 15 2007, 03:52 PM, said:

salam

ive heard sayyeda nawab but now i avoid listening to her cuz she describes hazrat alis fazail in a eweird way
very much like comparing hazrat ali and Allah(god 4bid)
this might seem weird   but i got that impression after hearing her majalis.
and secondly she talks on nothing other than fazaile ali which is not wrong but when ur at such a respectable position
where so many ppl (there are loads of ppl who come to listen to her at least in pindi) like u and listen to u shud try to mention and correct the faults of the society. except all u hear is naray haidri after every 10mins and when u go home u realise
that after listening to her for 45mins u werent able to gain any message.

hope i didnt offend any1.
ws

Astaghfirullah!

MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT, on Apr 17 2007, 02:32 AM, said:

Hearing and saying Ya Ali is ibbadat in itself, and one of the best message.

If someone doesn't gain anything from it then they should..... (you can fill in the blanks).

It is, in fact, a sunnat of the Holy Prophet , and is further beautified if not done in isolation, rather accompanied by other acts of the sayer / listener also being in accordance with the sunnah of sarkar

al-syedia, on Apr 19 2007, 01:46 AM, said:

well well
seems like a new scholar whose gonna filll some knowledge gaps here

No cadet, not that new!


[i]Iltimaas-e du'a

[q-tip]

Maulatana Tayyiba was giving 4 majalis a day during Muharram: She'd start out in Islamabad, go to Rawalpindi in the afternoon, then she'd travel to a small town where she'd speak and in the evening she would drive a few hours to Lahore.  Then she would repeat the cycle the next day.  That shows a lot of dedication.  It's unfortunate nobody has pointed this out.

[Abuzar]

q-tip, on Apr 23 2007, 05:59 PM, said:

Maulatana Tayyiba was giving 4 majalis a day during Muharram: She'd start out in Islamabad, go to Rawalpindi in the afternoon, then she'd travel to a small town where she'd speak and in the evening she would drive a few hours to Lahore.  Then she would repeat the cycle the next day.  That shows a lot of dedication.  It's unfortunate nobody has pointed this out.

I am not aware of details of her daily programme during ashura-e Muharram. In whatever way she served/s azadari, may Hazrat Sayyeda (Salaam Ullah Alaiha) give her the appropriate jazaa.

I am sure a dedicated servant of farsh-e-aza would not do it to find mention in our discussions, nor would our mentioning it affect his/her stature and reward.  

Have we considered the possibility that there may have been other scholars whose level of sacrifice may have been even greater than traveling to 4 towns and cities daily for 10 continuous days, but who may have prohibited its mention in public? May their reward from Hazrat Sayyeda (Salaam Ullah Alaiha) be as great as their level of dedication, sacrifice and sincerity.

[q-tip]

Of course there are others who have just as much if not more dedication, but what I am pointing out is that there is more to this person than what people are saying on this thread.  May Allah reward all his sincere servents who seek to promote the ways of Qur'an and Ahlul Bait, ameen.

[Shiatullah]

Rawshni, on Apr 14 2007, 07:37 PM, said:

Just to set the record straight. Khanom Nuzhat Amini was the first woman to be given the ijazaeh-e-ijtehad, almost a century ago. She is the founder of the Madresseh Aminieh for girls/women, which can be considered the female version of Fayziyeh.

She was also the author of many books a large number of them in 'arabi.

Razia Batool and Tayyeba Bokhari are nowhere near Nuzhat Amini so far as knowledheability is concerned.
Wassalaam

I never said she was the first female mujtahid, and I only said I wouldn't be surprised if she was a mujtahid.  No where did I make a comparison.

Rawshni do you just simply hate every scholar (male or female) that supports Islamic Republic of Iran?  Maybe if you educate yourself a little instead of thinking you yourself are a marja, it will go a long way!  As old as you are, it is time you grow up.

To those who say scholars are wrong for fixing a price for majlis...maybe if the price is absurd.  But one has to consider the fact that this may be their only source of income.  She did not seem to charge an excessive amount here in NY, USA.

I have only heard good things about her from numerous amounts of people and her lectures are excellent!  May Allah (swt) bless her.






Hasan Sajjad
President

[Abuzar]

q-tip, on Apr 24 2007, 09:10 AM, said:

Of course there are others who have just as much if not more dedication, but what I am pointing out is that there is more to this person than what people are saying on this thread.  May Allah reward all his sincere servents who seek to promote the ways of Qur'an and Ahlul Bait, ameen.

The original poster had mentioned a positive - her high level of oratory - and made a rather strong negative remark about her being "expensive". These two aspects (plus another positive aspect - her knowledge) are what most others have continued to discuss.

Hasan_Sajjad, on Apr 24 2007, 09:36 AM, said:

I never said she was the first female mujtahid, and I only said I wouldn't be surprised if she was a mujtahid.

Yes, you didn't! But then, no one else here has said that you did!
  

Hasan_Sajjad, on Apr 24 2007, 09:36 AM, said:

No where did I make a comparison.

Quite right! But again no one seems to have said that you did!

Hasan_Sajjad, on Apr 24 2007, 09:36 AM, said:

Rawshni do you just simply hate every scholar (male or female) that supports Islamic Republic of Iran?  Maybe if you educate yourself a little instead of thinking you yourself are a marja, it will go a long way!  As old as you are, it is time you grow up.

Different wording may have been more helpful in this amr bil marouf!

Hasan_Sajjad, on Apr 24 2007, 09:36 AM, said:

To those who say scholars are wrong for fixing a price for majlis...maybe if the price is absurd.  But one has to consider the fact that this may be their only source of income.

As I said in an earlier post "... all knowledgable religious scholars who recite majalis have economic needs. That would, however, not justify their asking for any money in return for zikr-e-Husain (alaihissalam) ...". The hadaya for addressing majalis is the main - if not the only - source of income for most of them.

Not fixing a price for zikr-e-Husain (alaihissalam) on the one hand depicts the degree of the orator's tawakkul on Allah, and on the other would not discourage even the poorest azadar from asking the orator to address a majlis at his home or azakhana.

Having said that, it is the duty of the person(s) arranging the majlis to give hadiya to the orator to the best of their ability - though the orator should not refuse to recite a majlis just because he/she isn't getting a monetary return.

As servants of a farsh-e aza in Lahore, it is a strict principle of our group that any one fixing the hadiya in advance is not requested by us to take the minbar. However, we try to give them the maximum that our budget allows - and that could differ from year to year: so no predetermined amounts! Alhamdolillah, this year many pious scholars were kind enough to address majalis at our request. None of them asked for any hadiya!          

We base our action not on what we say, but on the sunnah of our infallible Imams in dealing with the likes of Da'abal-e Khizai and Kumait-e Asadi !

Hasan_Sajjad, on Apr 24 2007, 09:36 AM, said:

She did not seem to charge an excessive amount here in NY, USA.

Excessive is a relative term. Charging per se is what is inappropraite irrespective of the sum involved.

Basically, some orators' practice of addressing a majlis only after a certain pre-determined sum of money is paid or agreed to be paid is what one feels should be discouraged, as it commercialises and debases the institution of azadari.  

Hasan_Sajjad, on Apr 24 2007, 09:36 AM, said:

I have only heard good things about her from numerous amounts of people and her lectures are excellent!

So have I, other than the 'expensive' remark that we saw here.

Hasan_Sajjad, on Apr 24 2007, 09:36 AM, said:

May Allah (swt) bless her.

Ilahi Aameen

Edited by Abuzar, 24 April 2007 - 08:12 AM.

[Rawshni]

Hasan_Sajjad, on Apr 23 2007, 11:36 PM, said:

I never said she was the first female mujtahid, and I only said I wouldn't be surprised if she was a mujtahid. No where did I make a comparison.

Rawshni do you just simply hate every scholar (male or female) that supports Islamic Republic of Iran? Maybe if you educate yourself a little instead of thinking you yourself are a marja, it will go a long way! As old as you are, it is time you grow up.

To those who say scholars are wrong for fixing a price for majlis...maybe if the price is absurd. But one has to consider the fact that this may be their only source of income. She did not seem to charge an excessive amount here in NY, USA.

I have only heard good things about her from numerous amounts of people and her lectures are excellent! May Allah (swt) bless her.
Hasan Sajjad
President

Hasan I wish you had been a bit more attentive to my post. I had clubbed together two posts, one from you, and another from another member.

What I had posted was a general statement, addressed to nobody iin particular and nowhere did I mention that you said Tayyeba Bokhari would be the first female mojtehed.

As for the rest, that is your opinion about me, and you have an absolute and unchallengeable entitlement to it. I am one of those who practice and preach freedom of conscience and speech. I don't place any resctrictions on what people may think, even about me.

If you care to look up my profile, you will notice certain people have made abuisve remarks about me. I approve comments and I approved those. I could have reported. I did not. It is their opinion, they are perfectly entitled to it and to express it. I reserve the right to disagree, and I do.

The same applies to scholars and zakirs, khateebs etc., supporting the Iranian revolution and the system it brought into being.

There are members on this site who will vouch that we have made available to them Welayat-al-Faqih, as well as other writings of Syed Khomeine, works by Syed Khamenie, speeches of Syed Jan Ali Kazmi, Hasan Zafar Naqvi, Mirza Sadiq Hasan etc.

Not only to members of this site but lterally thousands worldwide.

Wassalaam

[ya abaz zahra madad]

MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT, on Apr 16 2007, 04:32 PM, said:

Hearing and saying Ya Ali is ibbadat in itself, and one of the best message.

If someone doesn't gain anything from it then they should..... (you can fill in the blanks).

im sorry if i wasnt able to make myself clear i never said saying ya ali madad is haram or anything like that.
im always saying ya ali myself infact im saying it write now and hope to keep on saying it with every breath that i take as long im alive.(ilahe amin)
but wat i wanted to point out was that ALIin itself is a huge word which carries in it oceans of great depths of knowledge.
we should try to examine his life from every point of view from the kinds of oppressions and attrocities he had to face at the hands of the oppressors and his so called sahabies who knew him only by his name and did not recognize him for who he really was except for a handful of his dedicated followers.
we shud strive to recognize imam for his philosopphical teachings, his eloquent sermons and his thought provoking duaas along with his other achievements which too carry great importance or else it would be a great injustice done to him at our hands.
so that we too are not among those who only claim to be his followers by name but are living examples of his teachings.

imam alis fazail were not only accepted and praised by his followers but even by his enemies like muawiya and nonmuslims as well. so praising hazrat ali is
not a gr8 big deal as it was done by everyone but wat shud be preached is wat he expected from his followers and how he wanted them to be.
no doubt ya ali carries in itself a gr8 message but only when u say it with maarifat just ike all other forms of worship which are only helpful as long as they keep you away 4om sins and are performed with sincerity and modesty.

i hope this explains everything.

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she studied in Qom for several years and from the majlises I heard she recited, she seems to have a lot of knowledge

bro, how were u able to listen to her majalis?   cuz although i record her majalis but she told me not to allow any non mahram to be able to hear her voice and it was only on this condition that i got the permission to record hermajalis. shes very strict in this matter.

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Khanum Razia is indeed pursuing studies towards ijtehad - she has been attending dars-e kharij for about 5 years now. However, if she reaches that level, she would not be the first Shi'a woman to have done so.

who is khanum razia im hearing her name for the first time? where does she read her majalis?

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We had arranged her majalis as well as tafseer sessions in Lahore till 2001.
As servants of a farsh-e aza in Lahore, it is a strict principle of our group that any one fixing the hadiya in advance is not requested by us to take the minbar

so does that mean that you don't call khanum tayyaba anymore?

last but not least this is for those who cannot seem to read between the lines and need to be explained everything to them.
NARAY HAIDERY!! YA ALI YA ALI YA ALI MADAD
iltemase dua
ws

[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

^ Let people do Ali Ali and wah wah on fazail as in your own words "ya ali carries in itself a gr8 message but only when u say it with maarifat just " as its the fazail that will lead you towards marifaat.

[Rawshni]

This is not just an issue concerning one zakira. It is something of far greater magnitude.

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huda, on Mar 19 2007, 09:16 AM, said:

i have been closely related to some shia families of molanas here in pakistan but what kinda thing is tayyiba bukhari.......good narrator but very expensive

Abuzar, on Apr 23 2007, 07:48 AM, said:

This was apparently a rhetorical question. Yes, she is one of the good orators around in Pakistan today and she is a religious scholar.

If the facts are as stated in the last part of your statement, it is very sad. We had arranged her majalis as well as tafseer sessions in Lahore till 2001. She did not ask for any money and was seemingly satisfied (in that she continued with the majalis and the sessions) with what hadiya we were able to give her.... certainly not on the 'expensive' side!

Bhaee Abuzar, since you are Lahore based I will use some examples from Lahore to elaborate a certain observation regarding Tayyeba not making any demands and accepting what little or much hadeiyeh that you people offered.

Nisar Haveli, Karbala Gaamay Shah, Gulistaan-e-Zahraa Abbot Road, Imambargah Sayyedeh Mubark Begum, Imam Bargha Khwagaan Narowaali and Jami Al Muntazar can be considered icons of the Shia in Lahore. And on a social plane the annual Mejalis held at Nasheman and Ashianeh, at the residence ofSheikh Mohammad Ilyas and Sons.

Now imagine for a moment, me, an unknown, or little known entity, being billed as the main zakir for the first Ashreh of Moharram, at one of these places. Or at those social mejalis I placed last above.

Wouldn't you be curious to hear what I have to say, spare time to listen to  a couple or more mejalis of mine.

Exposure is the word. People aspiring to become well known zakirs would love to speak at the mentioned places, even without any hidiyeh. It helps generate publicity, and, should I say, business?

The above does not in any way mean that such people may nat be aalims of avery high order.

______________________

Now the other side.

Tayyeba is a single mother and has four growing kids. She lives in Islamabad, not one the cheapest cities in Pakistan. Like all the rest of us, she has a household to maintain. Being a rather well-known pesonage, she probably has to extend more hospitality to more people per month than the rest of us. And does anybody have an idea what it takes tp give a child quallity education in Pakistan. She has four [Allah rakhkhay].Like all the rest of us, she also has social needs to meets, illness, travel, etc. And of course, she also has to put aside a little something to save for a rainy day.

She has only one skill to sell, her oratory, only one goods to trade, her knowledge.

Why shouldn't she charge a premium if her skill is better than most or her goods of superior standard? Why on earth not?

The buck does not stop here . . .

_______________

This is where the buck stops.

Why have we chosen to limit ilm-e-deen to be the monopoly of a certain set of people. Talab-e-'ilm has been the enjoined as the fareedhe of ALL Muslimeen and Muslimaat. WE should be creating a learning society, in which every person is an 'aalim to some degree. WE concentrate on exactly the opposite, never failing to tell people that you cannot do or be this that or the other.

Why is that You cannot be the host and speaker at mejalis at your place and I at mine. Or better still, You at my plce and I at your's?

Saaday wass daa roun naheen.   Mayn naeen mann dee

Can anybody, I repeat, anybody prove that Toosi, Mejlisi, Razi Shareef, Murtaza 'A;am al Huda, Hilli, Ali Irdibili made their 'ilm-e-deen their means of livelihood?

Tusee lokee mayraa munh khulwaa daynday o

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If so, such 'showcasing' of these two specific ladies would have to be either a systemic part of the hawzavi system - which it is not, or alternatively the act of some specific person(s) in the hawza. Could you identify him/her/them? [

For example the Baqiyatullah Trust, which promotes Tayyeba in Karachi

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Not just this lady but all knowledgable religious scholars who recite majalis have economic needs. That would, however, not justify their asking for any money in return for zikr-e-Husain (alaihissalam), what to talk of being expensive - for if they do they become traders of the blood of Imam Husain ([i]alaihissalam).

Apart from certain avaricious people of whom both you and I are very well aware og, most zakirs and zakiras do not make demands. People,sometimes people who have absoluteky nothing to do with the organizing of mejalis, seem to enjoy defaming Shia speakers.

Jan Ali Shah is a case in point. You will hear it from all and sundry that he demanded this much, he damnded that much. I know it for a fact that he does not fix any fee, accepts whatever is offered, and has spoken at many mejalis hosted by people who could not pay anything, he put in an appearance, and again the next year if he was in Pakistan.

The above is something which I have also stated earler on these boards. Our issues with him are something which have no bearing at all in our saying what is commendable about him.

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It appears that the emboldened statement wasn't an issue here, or was it?

In fact it was, and it has been taken care of in an earlier post.


Eltemaas-e-Duaa

Edited by Rawshni, 24 April 2007 - 01:09 PM.

[Shiatullah]

Abuzar, on Apr 24 2007, 09:07 AM, said:

The original poster had mentioned a positive - her high level of oratory - and made a rather strong negative remark about her being "expensive".
  

As I said in an earlier post "... all knowledgable religious scholars who recite majalis have economic needs. That would, however, not justify their asking for any money in return for zikr-e-Husain (alaihissalam) ...". The hadaya for addressing majalis is the main - if not the only - source of income for most of them.

Not fixing a price for zikr-e-Husain (alaihissalam) on the one hand depicts the degree of the orator's tawakkul on Allah, and on the other would not discourage even the poorest azadar from asking the orator to address a majlis at his home or azakhana.

Well, I am not sure what the OP meant by expensive, as in, expensive for what?  Maybe she is only expensive for house-calls or not expensive at all for zikre-Hussain and only expensive for other lectures.  I say this because the only thing she asked for here in NY was a plane ticket, the masjid also only gave(she did not ask) her 200$ and she was happy and gave her word to return next year.  It is possible she is expensive in Pakistan, I wouldn't know.  I am speaking from my own experience.








Hasan Sajjad
President

[Abuzar]

ya abaz zahra madad, on Apr 24 2007, 08:49 PM, said:

bro, how were u able to listen to her majalis?   cuz although i record her majalis but she told me not to allow any non mahram to be able to hear her voice and it was only on this condition that i got the permission to record hermajalis. shes very strict in this matter.

Yes, at the time when she addressed majalis at our request she had prohibited the recording of her voice or its transmission to males. Now, however, video recordings are also made (in Lahore by a male cameraman) - obviously with her knowledge - and in the first ashra majalis in Lahore separate enclosure is arranged for men who may wish to listen. The video and audio cassettes are sold at the venue.

I, for one, heard her first through such an audio cassette, after she had discontinued addressing the majalis that we arranged.  

ya abaz zahra madad, on Apr 24 2007, 08:49 PM, said:

who is khanum razia im hearing her name for the first time? where does she read her majalis?

Khanum Razia Batool is a Qum-based Pakistani religious scholar who is presently attending dars-e kharij. Over the past few years she has addressed majalis in various places during ayyam-e aza: Karachi (DHA imambargah & Mehfil-e-Murtaza), Faisalabad (Bostan-e-Zahra), Islamabad, Lahore, Dubai and London (Stanmore). This year, at our invitation she addressed majalis in Lahore at Jamia al-Muntazar (first ashra) and Qaumi Markaz Khawajgan (second ashra) besides tafseer sessions of sura ad-Dukhaan. Audio files of these majalis are ready and we hope to upload them soon.  

ya abaz zahra madad, on Apr 24 2007, 08:49 PM, said:

so does that mean that you don't call khanum tayyaba anymore?

No, we didn't stop inviting her.