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[Al-Afza]

Nabihullah Rasulallah Muhammad bin Imran[Abdullah] al-Hashimi
b. 17th Rabi-ul-Awwal 54 B.H.(Fri 11th May 570 A.D.)
d. 8th Rabi-ul-Awwal 11 A.H.(Wed 6th Jun 632 A.D.)

Hazrat Ummul Muminin Khadija bint Khuwaylid [2 mos. premature birth]
b. 1st Shaban 53 B.H.(Mon 9th Sep 571 A.D.)
d. 10th Ramadhan 1 B.H.(Mon 1st Apr 622 A.D.)

Hazrat Jafar ibn Yahya[Abu Talib]
b. 5th Zilhajj 26 B.H.(Wed 21st Mar 598 A.D.)
d. 17th Shawwal 3 A.H.(Mon 4th Apr 625 A.D.)**

Janab Qasim bin Muhammad
b. 26th Jamadi-ul-Akhar 24 B.H.(Wed 25th Sep 599 A.D.)
d. 18th Rajab 24 B.H.(Wed 16th Oct 599 A.D.)

Hazrat Khalifah Ali ibn Yahya[Abu Talib] al-Hashimi [birth inside the Holy Kabah]
b. 13th Rajab 16 B.H.(Fri 17th Jul 607 A.D.)
d. 21st Ramadhan 40 A.H.(Thu 31st Jan 661 A.D.)

Hazrat Bibi Fatima bint Muhammad
b. 20th Jamadi-ul-Akhar 12 B.H.(Sun 12th May 611 A.D.)
d. 14th Jamadi-ul-Awwal 11 A.H.(Fri 10th Aug 632 A.D.)

Hazrat Khalifah Hasan ibn Ali [2 mos. premature birth]
b. 15th Ramadhan 3 A.H.(Fri 4th Mar 625 A.D.)
d. 28th Safar 50 A.H.(Tue 29th Mar 670 A.D.)

Hazrat Imam Husayn ibn Ali [2 mos. premature birth]
b. 5th Shaban 4 A.H.(Fri 13th Jan 626 A.D.)
d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Bibi Zaynab bint Ali
b. 6th Shaban 6 A.H.(Mon 24th Dec 627 A.D.)
d. 24th Safar 65 A.H.(Mon 13th Oct 684 A.D.)

Hazrat Umme Kulthum bint Ali
b. 18th Rabi-ul-Awwal 8 A.H.(Sat 18th Jul 629 A.D.)
d. 16th Zilhajj 62 A.H.(Mon 28th Aug 682 A.D.)

Hazrat Muhammad ibn Ali[al-Hanafia]
b. 1st Rajab 15 A.H.(Fri 12th Aug 636 A.D.)
d. 10th Zilkad 67 A.H.(Tue 31st May 687 A.D.)

Hazrat Talib ibn Ali[Muhammad al-Asghar]
b. 11th Rabi-ul-Awwal 17 A.H.(Thu 5th Apr 638 A.D.)
d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Abbas b. Ali[Haidar al-Thani]
b. 7th Rajab 24 A.H.(Mon 12th May 645 A.D.)
d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Jafar b. Ali
b. 4th Shaban 25 A.H.(Thu 28th May 646 A.D.)
d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Yahya b. Ali [2 mos. premature birth]
b. 4th Rajab 26 A.H.(Mon 19th Apr 647 A.D.)
d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Muhsin b. Ali
b. 11th Zilhajj 27 A.H.(Fri 8th Sep 648 A.D.)
d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Bibi Ruqayya b. Ali (Khadijat-ul-Sughra) [2 mos. premature birth]
b. 5th Jamadi-ul-Awwal 29 A.H.(Thu 17th Jan 650 A.D.)
d. 7th Jamadi-ul-Akhar 62 A.H.(Fri 24th Feb 682 A.D.)

Imam Ali b. al-Husayn[Zayn al-Abidin/as-Sajjad]
b. 15th Jamadi-ul-Awwal 36 A.H.(Tue 11th Nov 656 A.D.)
d. 25th Muharram 95 A.H.(Sat 25th Oct 713 A.D.)

Hazrat Qasim b. al-Hasan
b. 7th Shaban 37 A.H.(Wed 20th Jan 658 A.D.)
d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Husayn b. al-Hasan[al-Athram]
b. 3rd Shaban 38 A.H.(Thu 6th Jan 659 A.D.)
d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Ahmad b. al-Hasan[at-Tahir]
b. 2nd Rajab 41 A.H.(Mon 4th Nov 661 A.D.)
d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Jafar b. al-Husayn[Ali Akbar]
b. 11th Shaban 42 A.H.(Tue 2nd Dec 662 A.D.)
d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Zayd b. al-Hasan[at-Tayyib]
b. 9th Shaban 45 A.H.(Fri 27th Oct 665 A.D.)
d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Hasanayn b. al-Hasan[Hasan al-Muthanna]
b. 10th Rabi-ul-Akhar 47 A.H.(Tue 11th Jun 667 A.D.)
d. 25th Shawwal 122 A.H.(Thu 26th Sep 740 A.D.)

Bibi Sakina b. al-Husayn[Sukayna]
b. 20th Rajab 56 A.H.(Sun 11th Jun 676 A.D.)
d. 20th Muharram 61 A.H.(Fri 22nd Oct 680 A.D.)

Imam Muhammad b. Ali[al-Baqir]
b. 5th Rajab 57 A.H.(Wed 16th May 677 A.D.)
d. 7th Zilhajj 116 A.H.(Fri 11th Jan 735 A.D.)

Janab Ibrahim b. al-Husayn[Ali Asghar/Abdullah]
b. 24th Rajab 60 A.H.(Mon 3rd May 680 A.D.)
d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Zayd b. Ali[ash-Shaheed]
b. 3rd Safar 77 A.H.(Thu 14th May 696 A.D.)
d. 1st Safar 120 A.H.(Mon 31st Jan 738 A.D.)

Imam Jafar b. Muhammad[as-Sadiq]
b. 17th Rabi-ul-Awwal 81 A.H.(Wed 16th May 700 A.D.)
d. 15th Shawwal 148 A.H.(Wed 8th Dec 765 A.D.)

Hazrat Ismail b. Jafar[al-Wafi]
b. 6th Rajab 103 A.H.(Tue 3rd Jan 722 A.D.)
d. 15th Rajab 145 A.H.(Sat 13th Oct 762 A.D.)

Imam Musa b. Jafar[al-Kazim]
b. 7th Safar 128 A.H.(Sun 11th Nov 745 A.D.)
d. 25th Rajab 183 A.H.(Sun 5th Sep 799 A.D.)

Imam Ali b. Musa[ar-Raza]
b. 11th Zilkad 148 A.H.(Sun 2nd Jan 766 A.D.)
d. 23rd Zilkad 206 A.H.(Sat 23rd Apr 822 A.D.)

Imam Muhammad b. Ali[at-Taqi]
b. 10th Rajab 193 A.H.(Sun 3rd May 809 A.D.)
d. 29th Zilkad 220 A.H.(Thu 29th Nov 835 A.D.)

Imam Ali b. Muhammad[an-Naqi]
b. 15th Zilhajj 212 A.H.(Fri 10th Mar 828 A.D.)
d. 18th Jamadi-ul-Awwal 254 A.H.(Sat 19th May 868 A.D.)

Imam Hasan b. Ali[al-Askari]
b. 8th Rabi-ul-Akhar 230 A.H.(Mon 26th Dec 844 A.D.)
d. 8th Rabi-ul-Awwal 260 A.H.(Fri 5th Jan 874 A.D.)

Imam Muhammad b. al-Hasan[al-Mahdi]
b. 15th Shaban 254 A.H.(Sun 12th Aug 868 A.D.)
disappeared 10th Shawwal 327 A.H.(Tue 4th Aug 939 A.D.)

Obituaries-

Hazrat Imran[Abdullah] bin Shuayb al-Hashimi
b. (?) 80 B.H.(545 A.D.)
d. 21st Muharram 54 B.H.(Sat 17th Mar 570 A.D.)

Hazrat Salman al-Farsi[Rouzbeh]
b. (?) 56 B.H.(568 A.D.)
d. 13th Ramadhan 35 A.H.(Wed 19th Mar 656 A.D.)

Shehrbanu bint Yazdigard III
d. (?) 39 A.H.(659 A.D.)

Mehrbanu[Umme Farwa] bint Yazdigard III
d. (?) 62 A.H.(682 A.D.)

Bibi Ruqayya bint al-Husayn[Fatima al-Kubra]
d. 10th Safar (?)

Bibi Fatima bint al-Husayn[as-Sughra]
d. 5th Rabi-ul-Awwal (?)

At Jannat-ul-Moalla in Wadi al-Bakka[Valley of Mecca], the following are among the buried:

Sayyidina Qusay bin Kilab
d. 163 B.H.(464 A.D.)

Sayyidina Munaf bin Qusay
d. 129 B.H.(497 A.D.)

Sayyidina Hashim bin Munaf
d. 116 B.H.(510 A.D.)

Bibi Fatima[Umme Imran] bint al-Muttalib bin Munaf bin Qusay bin Kilab
d. 48 B.H.(576 A.D.)

Hazrat Bibi Amina bint Wahbah az-Zuhri
d. 7th Ramadhan 47 B.H.(Sun 10th Aug 577 A.D.)

Sayyidina Shuayb[Abdul Muttalib/Shaybat-ul-Hamd] bin Hashim
d. 26th Rabi-ul-Awwal 45 B.H.(Thu 11th Feb 579 A.D.)

Janab Talib ibn Yahya[Abu Talib]
d. 22nd Zilhajj 42 B.H.(Sat 28 Sep 582 A.D.)

Janab Qasim bin Muhammad
d. 18th Rajab 24 B.H.(Wed 16th Oct 599 A.D.)

Hazrat Bibi Umme Farwa bint Yahya[Abu Talib]
d. 3rd Jamadi-ul-Akhar 6 B.H.(Tue 18th Feb 617 A.D.)

Hazrat Bibi Fatima bint Asad
d. 13th Jamadi-ul-Awwal 3 B.H.(Wed 29th Dec 619 A.D.)

Hazrat Yahya[Abu Talib] bin Shuayb al-Hashimi
d. 26th Rajab 1 B.H.(Sat 16th Feb 622 A.D.)

Hazrat Ummul Muminin Khadija bint Khuwaylid
d. 10th Ramadhan 1 B.H.(Mon 1st Apr 622 A.D.)

Hazrat Fadhl[Abdullah] ibn Abbas[Al-Hamzah]
b. (?) 10 B.H.(613 A.D.)
d. 17th Safar 68 A.H.(Sun 4th Sep 687 A.D.)

At Jannat-ul-Baqi in Taybah[Madinat-ul-Nabih], the following are among the buried:

Hazrat Abbas[al-Hamzah] bin Shuayb al-Hashimi
d. 17th Shawwal 3 A.H.(Mon 4th Apr 625 A.D.)

Hazrat Jafar[at-Tayyar] bin Yahya Abu Talib al-Hashimi
d. 17th Shawwal 3 A.H.(Mon 4th Apr 625 A.D.)**

Hazrat Bibi Jumana bint Yahya[Abu Talib]
d. 13th Rabi-ul-Akhar 5 A.H.(Thu 14th Sep 626 A.D.)

Hazrat Sayyida Fatima bint Muhammad
d. 14th Jamadi-ul-Awwal 11 A.H.(Fri 10th Aug 632 A.D.)

Hazrat Aqil ibn Yahya[Abu Talib]
b. (?) 34 B.H.(590 A.D.)
d. 2nd Safar 25 A.H.(Sun 30th Nov 645 A.D.)

Imam Khalifah Hasan ibn Ali
d. 28th Safar 50 A.H.(Tue 29th Mar 670 A.D.)

Hazrat Bibi Fatima[Ummul Baneen] bint Khuzam bin Khalid bin Rabi bin Amer al-Kilabiyya
d. 13th Jamadi-ul-Akhar 64 A.H.(Fri 8th Feb 684 A.D.)

Imam Ali[Zayn al-Abidin] ibn al-Husayn
d. 25th Muharram 95 A.H.(Sat 25th Oct 713 A.D.)

Imam Muhammad[al-Baqir] ibn Ali
d. 7th Zilhajj 116 A.H.(Fri 11th Jan 735 A.D.)

Hazrat Hasanayn[Hasan al-Muthanna] ibn al-Hasan
d. 25th Shawwal 122 A.H.(Thu 26th Sep 740 A.D.)

Imam Jafar[al-Sadiq] ibn Muhammad
d. 15th Shawwal 148 A.H.(Wed 8th Dec 765 A.D.)


Events Calendar-


17th Muharram 54 B.H.(Tue 13th Mar 570 A.D.)--Amm-ul-Fil(Year of The Elephant); Ababeel attack on Abrahah Ashram's army of elephants.

10th Rabi-ul-Awwal 25 B.H.(Sat 23rd Jun 598 A.D.)--Wedding of Rasulallah(PBUH) and Ummul Muminin Khadija.

27th Ramadhan[?] 15 B.H.(Fri 16th Sep 608 A.D.)--Lailat-ul-Qadr(The Night Of
Power); Nuzool al-Qur'an(Manifestation of The Holy Recitation), 10 Paras
revealed in initial Wahi(Revelation) during Tahajjud[midnight to predawn];
Rasulallah's Nubuwat(Prophethood) revealed to him by Archangel Jibril.

27th Rajab 12 B.H.(Tue 18th Jun 611 A.D.)--Al-Asra(Nightflight to Bayt-ul-Muqaddas) and Miraj(Ascension) during Tahajjud(midnight to predawn); Maba'ath/Dawaa(Public Declaration of Islamic Mission) of Rasulallah(PBUH) after sunrise.

7th Safar 1 A.H.(Fri 23rd Aug 622 A.D.)--Hijrah(migration) of Hazrat Abbas al-Hamzah, wife Bibi Salma, son Fadhl, and Bibi Sayyida Fatima for Taybah[Madinah] from their camp at Shoab Abi Talib[Pass of the Father of the Seeker]. They being the penultimate Muslims to migrate from Wadi al-Bakka[Valley of Mecca] to Taybah; Rasulallah(SAW) and Hazrat Ali are the only ones left behind.

15th Safar 1 A.H.(Sat 31st Aug 622 A.D.)--Arrival of Hazrat Abbas al-Hamzah, Bibi Fatima and family at Taybah[Madinah].

27th Safar 1 A.H.(Thu 12th Sep 622 A.D.)--Commencement of Hijrah to Jabal(Mount) Thawr by Rasulallah(PBUH) with bedouin guide and escort Uriqat; Rasulallah(PBUH) slips away undetected from his camp at Shoab Abi Talib while later that same evening, assassins, each one a member of a different opposing clan of the Quraysh plan to slay him while he lay sleeping in his tent. Even though each of the assassins were armed with daggers just in case they might need them, they had planned to smother Rasulallah(PBUH) in his sleep with pillows. Instead, they find 15-yr-old Hazrat Ali laying in Rasulallah's bed as decoy.

28th Safar 1 A.H.(Fri 13th Sep 622 A.D.)--Arrival at Jabal Thawr of Rasulallah(PBUH) with escort Uriqat.

1st Rabi-ul-Awwal 1 A.H.(Mon 16th Sep 622 A.D.)--Miracle of the Cave at Jabal Thawr; The spider weaves its web and the rock dove nests at the mouth of the cave deceiving the murderous party of Waleed b. Utbah, Hisham b. Utaybah and their 3 nephews Yazid b. Abdul Uzza['Abu Sufyan'], Utbah b. Abdul Uzza['Abu Sufyan'] and Muawiyah b. Abdul Uzza['Abu Sufyan'] who were intent on slaying Rasulallah(PBUH).

4th Rabi-ul-Awwal 1 A.H.(Thu 19th Sep 622 A.D.)--Departure from Jabal Thawr for Taybah(aka Madinat-ul-Nabih) by Rasulallah(PBUH) with escort Uriqat.

9th Rabi-ul-Awwal 1 A.H.(Tue 24th Sep 622 A.D.)--Arrival at Quba of Rasulallah(PBUH) with escort Uriqat, a village at the outskirts of Taybah (City of the Banu Yathrab tribe).

11th Rabi-ul-Awwal 1 A.H.(Thu 26th Sep 622 A.D.)--Arrival of Hazrat Ali at Quba, having tagged along with a small party of travelers from Yemen to Syria; Reunited with Rasulallah(PBUH).

12th Rabi-ul-Awwal 1 A.H.(Fri 27th Sep 622 A.D.)--Yawm-ul-Taqdir(Day of Destiny) for Rasulallah(PBUH); Entry into Taybah[Madinat-ul-Nabih] in the morning; Baiat(Pledge of Allegiance) to Rasulallah(PBUH) by the Ansar of the Banu Yathrab tribe of Taybah[Madinat-ul-Nabih].

17th Ramadhan 2 A.H.(Tue 16th Mar 624 A.D.)--Battle at Aab-ul-Badr; Hazrat Abbas al-Hamzah leads Muslim Army in comprehensive victory over the Meccan Army, which is almost quadruple its size.

25th Zilhajj 2 A.H.(Mon 21st Jun 624 A.D.)--Wedding of Hazrat Ali and Bibi Fatima.

9th Rabi-ul-Awwal 3 A.H.(Thu 2nd Sep 624 A.D.)--Wedding of Rasulallah(PBUH) and Bibi Salma b. Khazeefah b. Thabit al-Mughairah.

17th Shawwal 3 A.H.(Mon 4th Apr 625 A.D.)--Battle at Jabal Uhud; Many muminin(believers) martyred including Hazrat Abbas al-Hamzah and Hazrat Jafar at-Tayyar**; Battle drawn to a stalemate.

25th Zilkad 3 A.H.(Wed 11th May 625 A.D.)--Wedding of Rasulallah(PBUH) and recently widowed Bibi Zaynab b. Jahsh b. Riyab al-Asadi.*

24th Zilhajj 5 A.H.(Sat 19th May 627 A.D.)--Event of Mubahaila against the Nasrani(Christian) delegation of Najaran.

24th Rajab 6 A.H.(Wed 12th Dec 627 A.D.)--Capture of the entire mountain-fortress settlement of Khaybar by Hazrat Ali after unsuccessful 39-day siege by the Muslim Army.

21st Zilhajj 6 A.H.(Mon 5th May 628 A.D.)--Treaty between the Muslims and the Meccans at Hudaibiyyah; Suhayl b. Amr being Quraysh delegate.

2nd Muharram 8 A.H.(Tue 5th May 629 A.D.)--Hudaibiyyah Treaty violated by Abdul Uzza['Abu Sufyan'] b. Sakhr b. Harb and the Bani Umayyah acting independently of the Quraysh.

10th Jamadi-ul-Akhar 8 A.H.(Wed 7th Oct 629 A.D.)--Battle of Mauta[Amman, Jordan] in Sham against Amir Shorhail and the Banu Ghassan of Syria.

20th Ramadhan 8 A.H.(Thu 14th Jan 630 A.D.)--Bloodless annexation of Wadi al-Bakka(Mecca) by Rasulallah(PBUH) with 10,000 unarmed men of the Muslim Ummah.

9th Zilhajj 9 A.H.(Tue 22nd Mar 631 A.D.)--Hujjat-ul-Ula; Maiden hajj(pilgrimage) of the Muslims.

8th Zilhajj 10 A.H.(Fri 9th Mar 632 A.D.)--Penultimate qutba(sermon) at Jabal Arafat of Rasulallah(PBUH).

9th Zilhajj 10 A.H.(Sat 10th Mar 632 A.D.)--Hujjat-ul-Wida; Farewell hajj(pilgrimage) of Rasulallah(PBUH) along with 130,000 Muslim hajis(pilgrims).

18th Zilhajj 10 A.H.(Mon 19th Mar 632 A.D.)--Final qutba(sermon) of Rasulallah(PBUH) at Ghadir al-Khum; Appointment of Hazrat Ali as his successor by Rasulallah(PBUH) witnessed by 130,000 Muslim hajis(pilgrims).

1st Zilhajj 32 A.H.(Wed 6th Jul 653 A.D.)--Wedding of Imam Hasan to Mehrbanu[Umme Farwa] b. Yazdigard III.

2nd Zilhajj 34 A.H.(Sat 16th Jun 655 A.D.)--Wedding of Imam Husayn to Shehrbanu b. Yazdigard III.

24th Zilhajj 35 A.H.(Thu 26th Jun 656 A.D.)--Hazrat Ali takes baiat(pledge of allegiance) of Caliphate of Islam.

15th Jamadi-ul-Akhar 36 A.H.(Thu 11th Dec 656 A.D.)--Battle of Al-Basra(Al-Jamal); Caliph Ali comprehensively defeats the rebellious alliance of Aisha b. Quhafah[Abu Bakr], az-Zubayr and Talhah.

12th Safar 38 A.H.(Thu 22nd Jul 658 A.D.)--Battle of Siffin; Caliph Ali comprehensively defeats Sham Governor Muawiyah b. Abdul Uzza['Abu Sufyan']; Hazrat Abbas b. Ali's maiden battle; 61-yr-old Hazrat Ammar b. al-Yasir martyred at Siffin by Muawiyah's mercenaries; Muawiyah's older son Amr slain in battle by Imam Hasan b. Ali; Utaybah['Ubaydullah'] b. Umar b. al-Khattab fights for Muawiyah against Caliph Ali but is slain in battle by 13-yr-old Hazrat Abbas b. Ali; Advocacy by Amr b. al-Aas on Muawiyah's behalf so he won't be taken prisoner by Caliph Ali.

9th Safar 40 A.H.(Tue 26th Jun 656 A.D.)--Battle of Nahrawan; Caliph Ali comprehensively defeats the Kharijites; Final battle of the greatest warrior in all history-Caliph Ali.

9th Zilhajj 60 A.H.(Sun 12th Sep 680 A.D.)--Martyrdom of Hazrat Muslim bin Aqil ibn Yahya[Abu Talib] in Kufa.

23rd Zilhajj 60 A.H.(Sun 26th Sep 680 A.D.)--Martyrdoms of Janab Muhammad b. Muslim b. Aqil and Janab Ibrahim b. Muslim b. Aqil in Kufa.

10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th October 680 A.D.)--Ashura; Massacre of Karbala; Martyrdom of Imam Husayn, most of his male family members and companions.

20th Safar 61 A.H.(Sun 21st Nov 680 A.D.)--Arbayeen/Chehlum; 40th day commemoration of the Karbala Massacre.


[All Gregorian conversions listed are subject to be off by a day or more depending upon the lunisolar converters used; the one used here is Tarek Maani's Hijri-Gregorian Calendar Converter Version 8.5, among the most accurate of lunisolar converters.]

P.S.-There are alternate Hijri dates recorded for many of the above depending upon the 'Abbasid', Safavid, Fatimid source materials.

*(Certain Fatimid sources have Bibi Zaynab b. Khuzaymah b. Harith as Hazrat Zayd b. al-Harith b. Sharajih al-Kalbi's spouse; 'Abbasid' sources have Rasulallah's alleged paternal first cousin(?) Bibi Zaynab b. Jahsh as Hazrat Zayd b. al-Harith b. Sharajih's spouse instead.)

**(Certain early Fatimid accounts differ as to the death of Hazrat Jafar; They have him being a Jabal Uhud martyr instead of at Ghazwah Mauta; His grave is at Jannat-ul-Baqi.)

Edited by Al-Afza, 30 August 2007 - 12:42 AM.

[YaQaim]

Salam Jazakallah for sharing this with us

[ShiaSoldier@2007]

According to this My birthday was the same day as hazrat fatima zahra a.s and hazrat abbas a.s and one day after prophet mohammed p.b.u.h birthday!

[ShiaSoldier@2007]

I am not comparing
Just happy to celebrate prophets birthday on the same day as mine thats all  

[AbidiHasan]

Al Afza, are these dates 100 percent authentic?

[Al-Afza]

AbidiHasan, on Jul 7 2008, 10:30 AM, said:

Al Afza, are these dates 100 percent authentic?

Salam.

These timelines and chronicles are an accumulation of 25 years of research, revisions and amendments...

In order to achieve this, the strictest and unbiased objectivity had to be applied. The surviving Fatimid Caliphate sources are the bases of a far more accurate and realistic HISTORICAL account of these timelines and chronology of Muhammad Wa Aal-i-Muhammadan biodata. Records from the pseud-named "Abbasid" Caliphate are extensive and even detailed BUT confused, complicated, confounded, and above all, contradictory by modern methods of investigative research.

For instance, the long-upheld, conventional tradition has it that 9 of the 12 Aal-i-Muhammad Aimma were poisoned...However, from tracing and separating FACT from FOLKLORE, only ONE can be verified has having been actually poisoned...

The 11th Imam-ul-Muslimin, Hasan b. Ali al-Askari...At age 29. Even the 2nd Imam Hasan b. Ali al-Mujtaba's alleged account does not meet logical standards...

He ABDICATED the Caliphate. A treaty was agreed upon with Muawiyah [literally "Howling Young Female Dog"] and the 2nd Imam-ul-Muslimin lived and continued Dawah (Missionary Work) for 9 years. Now this considering that Muawiyah's eldest son Amr was personally slain by Imam Hasan at Siffin in 658 A.D. ... Why would Muawiyah wait for 9 years to have Imam Hasan al-Mujtaba poisoned ??? And CONTRARY to ALL varying and contradictory bios on Imam al-Mujtaba, no more than a SINGLE spouse can be verified for him ! Jada b. Ashath, alleged spouse of Imam al-Mujtaba, was 20 years his senior and NEVER really married to him !

And no more than TWO offspring can be positively verified for Imam al-Mujtaba...A son named Qasim and a daughter named Fatima...

Hazrat Ismail b. Jafar al-Wafi was the OTHER Aal-i-Muhammad member who WAS poisoned upon the orders of Abbasid Caliph al-Mansur...Who wanted to END the Hashimite spiritual legacy and potential threat to the Caliphate. Al-Mansur's elder brother Abul Abbas al-Saffah had wiped out the Bani Umayyah as Allah Ta'ala FORETOLD in Ayat 3 of Surah Al-Kawthar [ "Inna shani-aka huwal abtar" ].

Amin.

Edited by Al-Afza, 08 July 2008 - 04:44 PM.

[Yiligiz]

This is the most informative thread on SC bro. Thanks for this. The second most informative, wait thats more informative than this one too, is the Firawn thread of yours.


Great Job.

[Al-Afza]

AbidiHasan, on Jul 7 2008, 10:30 AM, said:

Al Afza, are these dates 100 percent authentic?

Salam..

They are 99.99 % ACCURATE and AUTHENTIC...

[Al-Afza]

Yiligiz, on Jul 18 2008, 04:33 PM, said:

This is the most informative thread on SC bro. Thanks for this. The second most informative, wait thats more informative than this one too, is the Firawn thread of yours.


Great Job.

Salam..

Some more info...

From early[not the later] Fatimid Caliphate historical sources, Imam Husayn had a total of 3 marriages. His 1st spouse, Shehrbanu [Bibi Qudaiya] was said to have died a week after bearing Imam Sajjad...This is incorrect, because to this day, not even in Iran is her wafat observed a week after the wiladat of Imam Sajjad...And the 2nd Imam-ul-Muslimin's 2nd spouse was NOT 'binte Abi Murrah al-Thaqafi' or daughter of an alleged Abi Murrah(?) of the Banu Thaqif tribe of Tayef...Furthermore, Imam Husayn was NEVER wedded to an alleged "widow" of Imam Hasan, the so-called 'Umme Ishaq b. Talhah'...

1st spouse - Princess Shehrbanu [Qudaiya] b. Yazdigard III [Sassanian Shah of Persia];
d. 39 AH/659 AD -

: Ali [b. 36 AH/656 AD]
: Ruqayya* [b. 38 AH/658 AD]

2nd spouse - Laila b. Dharr b. Abu Dharr Jundab b. Junadah b. Sakan al-Ghifari;
d. 49 AH/669 AD -

: Jafar** [b. 42 AH/662 AD]
: Fatima [b. 45 AH/665 AD]

3rd spouse - Princess Rabab b. Imrul Qays III [Sultan of Yemen];
d. (?) -

: Sakina [b. 55 AH/675 AD]
: Muhsin*** [b. 57 AH/677 AD]

* aka 'Fatima al-Kubra'.
** aka 'Ali Akbar'.
*** aka 'Ali Asghar'/'Abdullah'; Safavid scholars have him being born in 60 AH/680 AD and 5-months-old when he died.

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Note :

Hazrat Abu Dharr Jundab b. Junadah b. Sakan was born in Rabadhah, Hejaz, Arabia;
He was of the Bani Ghifar clan of the Banu Kinanah tribe. He sired two verifiable children : son Dharr; daughter Laila. Hazrat Abu Dharr's son Dharr died prematurely in 31 AH/652 AD. Hazrat Abu Dharr was banished into the Nafud desert to die a slow death of thirst, heat prostration and starvation by the accursed Uthman b. al-Affan. He died on 17th Zilhajj 32 AH(Fri 22nd Jul 653 AD). Laila b. Jundab died in 47 AH/667 AD. Hazrat Abu Dharr's son Dharr had two children of his own before his untimely death who were cared for by Dharr's sister Laila b. Jundab al-Kubra. Their names were Yahya and Laila as-Sughra. Laila as-Sughra was Imam Husayn's 2nd wife. As for Yahya b. Dharr and Yahya's son Aqil b. Yahya, they were among the 136 Karbala martyrs on Ashura or 10th Muharram 61 AH(Tue 12th Oct 680 AD).

Amin.

Edited by Al-Afza, 28 July 2008 - 04:12 AM.

[Al-Afza]

Yiligiz, on Jul 18 2008, 04:33 PM, said:

This is the most informative thread on SC bro. Thanks for this. The second most informative, wait thats more informative than this one too, is the Firawn thread of yours.


Great Job.

Salam..

When Hazrat Ismail b. Jafar [incumbent Imam-ul-Muslimin] was fatally poisoned at age 36, his only surviving child was 6-yr-old son, Muhammad b. Ismail; Hazrat Ismail had wedded at age 23 but didn't sire an offspring until 7 years later at age 30; Hazrat Ismail's younger half-brother Imam Musa was age 10 when Hazrat Ismail died.

Also, from detailed research it was discovered that 6th Imam Jafar as-Sadiq's mother Hazrat Farwa was NOT the alleged daughter of a Qasim b. Muhammad b. Abu Bakr...She was the biological daughter of Hazrat Qasim b. al-Hasan b. Ali and Bibi Ruqayya b. al-Husayn b. Ali [Imam Zayn al-Abidin's younger sister]. While Imam Sadiq's biological father, Imam Baqir was the son of Imam Ali b. al-Husayn as-Sajjad and Bibi Fatima b. al-Hasan b. Ali [Hazrat Qasim's younger sister]. From the 6th Imam-ul-Muslimin Jafar as-Sadiq on down, the remainder of the Ithna Ashari (Twelver) Aal-i-Muhammad Aimma all married completely OUTSIDE of their Hashimite family clan; Imam Ali had married completely outside of his clan and tribe in his 2nd marriage; Imam Hasan and Imam Husayn had also married completely outside of their clan and tribe.

The Sassanian princesses Mehrbanu and Shehrbanu (whose freedom was obtained by Imam Ali from captivity under Umar b. al-Khattab ) had their Zartosht(Zoroastrian) names changed to Arab-Muslim names 'Farwa' and 'Qudaiya' by Hazrat Ali; "Farwa" also being the name of Hazrat Ali's late eldest sister. The two sisters were eventually wedded to the two brothers Imam Hasan b. Ali and Imam Husayn b. Ali.

When Imam Ali was born in 16 B.H.(NOT 24/23/22 B.H.), his mother was age 47, while his father was age 60.

Edited by Al-Afza, 28 July 2008 - 01:12 PM.

[Socrates]

Quote

The Ismaili Fatimid Caliphate's early chroniclers have a much more factual, realistic HISTORICAL account of the Karbala tragedy. For one, NONE of the Hashimites were left behind at Taybah(Madinat-ul-Nabih). ALL accompanied Imam Husayn toward Kufa, Iraq. The ONLY reason Hazrat Imran['Abdullah'] b. Jafar at-Tayyar and Imam Sajjad survived the Karbala massacre was because when the enemy were going over the fallen 136 martyrs' bodies, it was discovered the TWO were still alive. The Hashimite ladies (daughters of Imam Ali) placed themselves as human shields over the bodies of these two badly wounded heroes so the enemy soldiers were unable to finish them off. Imam Sajjad was NOT SICK or unable to fight. HE FOUGHT all the way to the end.

How then do you explain the survival of Muhammad Hanafiyya and his possession of the will of Imam Husayn?

[Al-Afza]

Yiligiz, on Jul 18 2008, 04:33 PM, said:

This is the most informative thread on SC bro. Thanks for this. The second most informative, wait thats more informative than this one too, is the Firawn thread of yours.


Great Job.

The Safavid restatement of the Karbala massacre had Yazid's army being 30,000 to 50,000...And one such account has 29,700 of Yazid's army SLAIN battling the Karbala Shuhada (Martyrs) !

The Ismaili Fatimid Caliphate's early chroniclers have a much more factual, realistic HISTORICAL account of the Karbala tragedy. For one, NONE of the Hashimites were left behind at Taybah(Madinat-ul-Nabih). ALL accompanied Imam Husayn toward Kufa, Iraq. The ONLY reason Hazrat Imran['Abdullah'] b. Jafar at-Tayyar and Imam Sajjad survived the Karbala massacre was because when the enemy were going over the fallen 136 martyrs' bodies, it was discovered the TWO were still alive. The Hashimite ladies (daughters of Imam Ali) placed themselves as human shields over the bodies of these two badly wounded heroes so the enemy soldiers were unable to finish them off. Imam Sajjad was NOT SICK or unable to fight. HE FOUGHT all the way to the end.

The two survivors were treated by Imam Ali's daughters till they were left at the town of Karbala to recover from their wounds. They were treated by sympathizers at Karbala and convalesced under house arrest by Ibn Ziyad. The women and children of Imam Husayn's caravan were later made to trek on-foot all the way to Damascus, Syria to Yazid's court. There they were temporarily imprisoned then later freed because of mounting pressure from a horrified public. This historic trek of the Karbala women and children was the original TRAIL OF TEARS : most all of the Karbala children died during this trail from fatigue and malnourishment. The Karbala women and children subsisted on bread and water only during this trek. 3-yr-old Imam Baqir and 2-yr-old Bibi Farwa were among the extremely few Karbala children to have survived the TRAIL OF TEARS.

As for Hazrat Imran 'Abdullah' and Imam Zayn al-Abidin, they were barely healed before they were chained and made to walk all the way to Damascus to Yazid's court. There they were imprisoned. Hazrat Imran 'Abdullah' died during the imprisonment while Imam Sajjad was the ONLY adult male survivor of Karbala. He was freed during the uprising of Mukhtar al-Thaqafi and the Hejazi tribal coalition against Yazid's Caliphate.

As for Usamah ['Ubaydullah'] ibn Ziyad, Governor of Iraq from its capital Kufa, he was the son of none other than Ziyad bin Abihi ("The Son of his Father")...The ILLEGITIMATE son of Muawiyah b. Abdul Uzza [aka 'Abu Sufyan'] and Yazid's illegitimate half-brother.

Ziyad b. Abihi was NOT the illegitimate son of Abdul Uzza [aka Abu Sufyan]. He was in fact the illegitimate son of Muawiyah b. Abdul Uzza [aka Abu Sufyan]. Muawiyah had fathered a son when age 14 in 7 BH/616 AD from a slavegirl. This was Ziyad, who was raised in Tayef. Muawiyah married at age 20 and fathered his 2nd son named Amr when age 23. Muawiyah then fathered his 3rd son Yazid from another spouse at age 35. Only after he became Caliph, did Muawiyah acknowledge Ziyad as his biological son. Ziyad died at age 62 in 58 AH/678 AD; Ziyad's surviving son Usamah was age 40 when Ziyad died. Muawiyah died in 60 AH/680 AD at age 78. His legitimate son and heir Yazid, was age 43 when he succeeded to the Caliphate. Usamah ibn Ziyad was Yazid's nephew but was only one year his junior.

Ibn Ziyad's 4,000-man army was NOT from Sham (Syria/Lebanon/Palestine/Jordan combined) but were ALL Iraqis...

The TWO Kufite family clans of the Bani Azd (The Azdi) and Bani Darim (The Darimi) were staunch supporters of the Bani Umayyah Caliphate. They were at the forefront of the Karbala massacre in 61 AH/680 AD.

Ibn Ziyad's army of 4,000 was divided into 4 divisions : 2 infantry; 2 cavalry.

1st infantry division led by Hurr at-Tamimi (the only member of the enemy to defect to Imam Husayn's camp); Hurr's command was taken over by Umar b. Saad b. Nufayl Abi Waqqas al-Adiyy* himself; Umar b. Saad was the Supreme Commander of the Iraqi army of Ibn Ziyad :
500 swordsmen
300 lancers
200 archers

2nd infantry division led by Shimr b. Kharam [aka Zia-ul-Jawshan] al-Darimi :
500 swordsmen
300 lancers
200 archers

1st cavalry division led by Said b. Marjanah al-Darimi :
500 swordsmen
300 lancers
200 archers

2nd cavalry division led by Hurmalah b. Kahil al-Azdi** :
500 swordsmen
300 lancers
200 archers

*Umar b. Saad b. Nufayl Abi Waqqas was NOT of the Bani Zuhrah clan of the Quraysh but of the Bani Adiyy clan (the clan of Umar b. al-Khattab).

**Hurmalah b. Kahil al-Azdi was not just an expert archer but a commanding general of Usamah b. Ziyad b. Muawiyah, Governor of Iraq.

[Al-Afza]

Youth Of Ali, on Jul 29 2008, 10:53 AM, said:

How then do you explain the survival of Muhammad Hanafiyya and his possession of the will of Imam Husayn?

Muhammad al-Hanafiyya, as his suffix indicates, was not really the biological son of Imam Ali from an alleged wife named Qaula b. Rabi b. Jafar b. Qays of the Bani Hanifah clan...

When I obtain complete information on his real background, I will present it in a response to you...

[Socrates]

Al-Afza, on Jul 29 2008, 05:36 PM, said:

Muhammad al-Hanafiyya, as his suffix indicates, was not really the biological son of Imam Ali from an alleged wife named Qaula b. Rabi b. Jafar b. Qays of the Bani Hanifah clan...

When I obtain complete information on his real background, I will present it in a response to you...

Shaykh al-Mufid disagrees with you...

[ShiaSoldier@2007]

Al-Afza, on Jul 29 2008, 11:36 AM, said:

Muhammad al-Hanafiyya, as his suffix indicates, was not really the biological son of Imam Ali from an alleged wife named Qaula b. Rabi b. Jafar b. Qays of the Bani Hanifah clan...

When I obtain complete information on his real background, I will present it in a response to you...

Can you back that statement up?

[Yiligiz]

Instead of encouraging individual study and research on the matter and appreciate hard work being done by someone all you people resort to is to get jealous of other people's work and try to seek mistakes in it. Very islamic

[Al-Afza]

ShiaSoldier@2007, on Jul 29 2008, 01:24 PM, said:

Can you back that statement up?

Salam...

Have you noticed in all the documents that mention Muhammad IBN AL-HANAFIYYA, he has never been referred to as "Ibn Abi Talib"...?

It has always been "Ibn al-Hanifiyya"...

That is just for starters...

He also has no gravesite in Jannatul Baqi where he is SUPPOSED to have been buried. No official chronology (precise timelines)...He did not accompany Imam Husayn and the rest to Kufa. Furthermore, Imam Husayn NEVER made out a wasihat (will) as he had no anticipation that he would be betrayed and set up for a trap by Yazid b. Muawiyah, Marwan b. al-Hakam and Usamah b. Ziyad...

From an article excerpt on al-Hanafiyya :
born 637(?) died 710(?), Medina, Arabia [now Saudi Arabia]

Muslim religious figure who many thought was the legitimate caliph. He was a son of Alī, the fourth caliph, but not by his wife, Fāṭimah, who was the daughter of the Prophet Muḥammad. By nature, Muḥammad ibn al-Ḥanafīyah was retiring and inclined to avoid partisan strife; he acted with much caution despite the support of various factions that would have made him caliph. He eventually pledged allegiance to the Umayyad caliph ʿAbd al-Malik, from whom he received a large annual pension.

[Does this sound like a son of Imam Ali ?? Pledging allegiance to an arch-enemy for an annual pension ??]

More from the article excerpt :

...notably by the Umayyad provincial governor al-Ḥajjāj. In one such insurrection, the Shīʿite leader al-Mukhtār ibn Abī ʿUbayd al-Thaqafī put forward Muḥammad ibn al-Ḥanafiyyah, a son of ʿAlī from a wife other than Fāṭimah, as caliph. Such revolts tended to have a strong millenarian element, and, in the...leader of a revolt of non-Arab Muslims in Iraq, seems to have first used the doctrine by maintaining his allegiance to a son of ʿAlī (Muḥammad's son-in-law and fourth caliph), Muḥammad ibn al-Ḥanafīyah, even after al-Ḥanafīyah's death. Abū ʿUbayd taught that, as mahdī, al-Ḥanafīyah remained alive in...supporters (called Shīʿites) of the fourth caliph ʿAlī, who believed that succession to ʿAlī's position of imam, or leader, of the Muslim community had devolved on Muḥammad ibn al-Ḥanafīyah (d. c.700), one of his sons, and Abū Hāshim, a grandson. The Hāshimīyah thus did not recognize, for religious reasons,...

Shīʿite Muslim leader who in 686 championed the unenthusiastic Muḥammad ibn al-Ḥanafīyah, a son of ʿAlī (the fourth caliph in Islam), as leader of the Islamic community in opposition to the Umayyad dynasty.

From another article excerpt :



Another of (the facts which confirms his Imamate) is the necessity according to reason of the Imamate existing in every age. The claim of every (other) claimant to the Imamate during the time of Ali b. al- Husayn, peace be on them, was invalid and the impossibility of there being any time without an Imam is confirmed by him (being the Imam). Another (of the facts which confirms his Imamate) is the fact that the Imamate is established in the offspring (itra) (of the family of Ali exclusively by rational deduction and by a report on the authority of the Prophet, may God bless him and his family. Invalidity of the arguments of those who claim it for Muhammad b. al-Hanafiyya, may God be pleased with him, through him (also) belonging to the offspring is established by the absence of the designation of it to him. Therefore it is established that it belongs to Ali b. al-Husayn, peace be on them, since there was no claim for it for any other member of the offspring (of the family) except Muhammad, may God

be pleased with him; his exclusion from it was on account of what we have already mentioned.

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When I have completed my detailed research into al-Hanafiyya's historical background, I will provide a far more exacting response.
What I presented above is just a preparation...Amin.

Edited by Al-Afza, 30 July 2008 - 02:25 AM.

[Yiligiz]

DAMNIT why aint my posts appearing in support of Al Afza?


others who are quick to criticize his research are just jealous ...  


quick to look for mistakes... don't appreciate the hard work..

[Al-Afza]

Youth Of Ali, on Jul 29 2008, 01:19 PM, said:

Shaykh al-Mufid disagrees with you...

Salam..

If our Islamic Uleyma and their works were examined and analyzed under microscopic scrutiny by Western Academics and their methods, ALL the established scholars from Shaykh Mufid to Bukhari, Muslim, Majlisi, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, etc.. WOULD COME ACROSS AS FOOLS.

Western Academics would completely dismantle the ahadith provided by "Abbasid" and Safavid scholars and make us Muslims and our standard version of our own history look like clowns.

What with all the contradictions, illogic, confused narratives, and the preposterous :

"Shaykh so-and-so related that shaykh so-and-so related to so-and-so that ... "

Think about it. Amin.

[Socrates]

Al-Afza, on Jul 30 2008, 04:52 PM, said:

Salam..

If our Islamic Uleyma and their works were examined and analyzed under microscopic scrutiny by Western Academics and their methods, ALL the established scholars from Shaykh Mufid to Bukhari, Muslim, Majlisi, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, etc.. WOULD COME ACROSS AS FOOLS.

Western Academics would completely dismantle the ahadith provided by "Abbasid" and Safavid scholars and make us Muslims and our standard version of our own history look like clowns.

What with all the contradictions, illogic, confused narratives, and the preposterous :

"Shaykh so-and-so related that shaykh so-and-so related to so-and-so that ... "

Think about it. Amin.

Are you trying to say we should take the history of Islam from the enemies of Islam? I'm perfectly well aware of how western academia works, you kind of have to know when you're doing a phd. If you don't know how the history of Islam was narrated through the ages, and in which sociopolitical circumstances, the fadhai'l of Ahlul bayt have reached us, then perhaps it would be better you found out before posting on the forums.

Edited by Youth Of Ali, 30 July 2008 - 05:58 PM.

[Al-Afza]

Youth Of Ali, on Jul 30 2008, 05:57 PM, said:

Are you trying to say we should take the history of Islam from the enemies of Islam? I'm perfectly well aware of how western academia works, you kind of have to know when you're doing a phd. If you don't know how the history of Islam was narrated through the ages, and in which sociopolitical circumstances, the fadhai'l of Ahlul bayt have reached us, then perhaps it would be better you found out before posting on the forums.

Salam..

You obviously have no clue as to what you are trying to convery. Western Academics in their METHOD of research and investigation. Objective methods. The enemies of Islam are MUSLIMS themselves just as much as the far-right ultra-neoconservatives of Christianity and Ultra-Orthodox Judaism...

I know more about how the history of Islam was narrated than your father even...Or your grandfather...

How many Hindu professors have I met who have doctorates in their respective fields, who when it comes to their religious beliefs, lose all sense of perspective..

Especially, when discussing their "gods"...All their logical, intellectual training goes right out the door...

Same thing with some among us...

For example take this account of the Battle of Karbala :

When nobody was left in Imam Hussain's camp, Imam Hussain cried for help by saying, "Is there anyone who can help me?" Hearing this call, Imam Hussain's six-month-old baby dropped himself from the cot, saying "LABAIK", meaning I am at your service. When Hurmala shot the arrow then Ali Asghar saw that it would hit Imam Hussain, so Ali Asghar jumped and the arrow pierced his throat, killing him instantly. The arrow end came out and attached itself, along with Ali Asghar, to Imam Hussain's arm.

It has all the semblance of semi-mythology and folklore...Especially, since Imam Husayn's youngest son was age 3 and not 5-months-old [solar calculations]. Is this how a tragic and historic event should be embellished and passed on ??

When Allah Taala says Nabih Isa spoke in his crib because He strengthened his spirit...We believe it because we know its TRUE. It is Allah (swt) saying so. Allah Taala does not say that about every Anbiya in the Qur'an. Not even Nabih Musa or Nabih Muhammad . Each miracle has a meaning and purpose...Speaking from the cradle is exclusive to Nabih Isa ...Not something passed onto anyone whom religious scholars think it MIGHT apply...

Edited by Al-Afza, 31 July 2008 - 01:28 AM.

[Al-Afza]

Yiligiz, on Jul 18 2008, 04:33 PM, said:

This is the most informative thread on SC bro. Thanks for this. The second most informative, wait thats more informative than this one too, is the Firawn thread of yours.


Great Job.

Salam..

Here is a list of verifiable members of the Bani Hashim that were involved in the Karbala Event :

--Husayn b. Ali
--Abbas b. Ali
--Imran b. Jafar
--Muhammad b. Jafar
--Awn b. Jafar
--Muslim b. Aqil
--Qasim b. al-Hasan
--Ali b. al-Husayn*
--Jafar b. al-Husayn
--Muhsin b. al-Husayn
--Qasim b. al-Abbas
--Muhammad b. al-Abbas
--Qasim b. Imran b. Jafar
--Muhammad b. Imran b. Jafar
--Awn b. Imran b. Jafar
--Luqman b. Awn b. Jafar [Son of Awn b. Jafar & Zaynab b. Aqil]
--Muhammad b. Muslim b. Aqil
--Ibrahim b. Muslim b. Aqil
--Muhammad b. Ali b. al-Husayn*

*The ONLY survivors of the entire Karbala-related event.

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Note : Numerous ADDITIONAL sons of Imam Ali, Hazrat Aqil, and Imam Hasan have been attributed to the list that were FICTITIOUS personages. This was largely the work of "Abbasid" chroniclers. These lists do vary in their total numbers as well as the supposed names of those additional sons.

[macisaac]

Why are you giving credence to the Fatimid Ismai`ili works?  (And exactly which works perchance are you actually referring to anyhow?)  Qadhi Nu`man (perhaps their most thorough scholar) for instance in his Da`aim al-Islam, which was the main collection of hadiths compiled under them, and still used by the Musta`lis, had to depend on Imami and Zaydi collections for his work and it doesn't appear that there was some inner specifically Isma`ili chain of transmission for the hadiths.  Witness for instance that he doesn't quote a single hadith from Isma`il b. Ja`far or Muhammad b. Isma`il, only going up to narrating from Imam Sadiq .  When one reads the more specifically Isma`ili works of the period, the more "original" stuff seems to have been is a mish mash of Neo-Platonic speculations of an odd sort, and not really reflective of authentic Shi`i teachings.  That, and a calendar system that is neither Islamic nor very accurate, leading current day Bohras to obseve incorrect dates for their months.

[Al-Afza]

macisaac, on Jul 31 2008, 10:48 AM, said:

Why are you giving credence to the Fatimid Ismai`ili works? (And exactly which works perchance are you actually referring to anyhow?) Qadhi Nu`man (perhaps their most thorough scholar) for instance in his Da`aim al-Islam, which was the main collection of hadiths compiled under them, and still used by the Musta`lis, had to depend on Imami and Zaydi collections for his work and it doesn't appear that there was some inner specifically Isma`ili chain of transmission for the hadiths. Witness for instance that he doesn't quote a single hadith from Isma`il b. Ja`far or Muhammad b. Isma`il, only going up to narrating from Imam Sadiq . When one reads the more specifically Isma`ili works of the period, the more "original" stuff seems to have been is a mish mash of Neo-Platonic speculations of an odd sort, and not really reflective of authentic Shi`i teachings. That, and a calendar system that is neither Islamic nor very accurate, leading current day Bohras to obseve incorrect dates for their months.

Salam...

This is why ...

From an article excerpt :

After being set free by the caliph Yazid, Zaynab b. Ali, the daughter of Fatima and Ali and the sister of Hassan and Hussein, started to spread the word of Karbala to the Muslim world, making speeches regarding the event. This was the first organized DAWAH of the Shia community, which would later develop into an extremely spiritual institution for the Ismailis. In contrast to his predecessors, Muhammad al-Baqir focused on academic Islamic scholarship in Madinah, where he promulgated his teachings to many Muslims, both Shia and non-Shia, in an extremely organized form of dawah.

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The very fact that you mentioned that their ahadith end with Imam Sadiq ...

Also, the Fatimids where the WORLD'S FIRST pro-Ahlul Bayt Muhammadi (i.e. "Shia") establishment. Centuries BEFORE the Safavid Dynasty of Iran, whose founding father was Shaykh Safiudin Ardabili. This shaykh took Shi'ism in a whole new direction, founding the Red Caps (Qizilbash)...An order of "knights" of the Eastern world modelled after the ones of medieval Europe such as The Teutonic Knights, Knights Templars, The Grand Knights of Malta, The Order of the Dragon (of the Romanian Eastern Orthodox Church)...etc.

The Fatimids founded TWO spectacular Islamic universities and libraries as opposed to ONE of the "Abbasid" Caliphate, which was Nizamiyya University...The Dar-ul-Ilm and Al-Azhar University...Al-Azhar still exists today even though Salahudin Ayyubi destroyed many of its pristine books on Islamic history and theology.

Previously, suppressed "Shi'ite" works on a mass scale under Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates found their FIRST publication under the Fatimid Caliphate...Another reason for their credence...

It is their earliest works that are a treasure of information for those who are interested in "Shi'ite" theology and history...Unfortunately, most of their works today used for reference ended up with the same fate as the Safawi works such as Majlisi's Bihar ul-Anwar...Adopting from mostly Othodox Sunni sources...

And there is NO such thing as "authentic shi'ite teachings"...

Neither, Imam Sajjad, Imam Sadiq or Imam Raza even use the word SHIA in their AUTHENTIC literary works : Risalat-ul-Huquq; Sahifah al-Kamilah; Tawhid al-Mufadhdhal; Ihluljia; Ilm-ul-Jafar; Sahifah ar-Raza, etc...

NOT ONCE in their original Arabic form.

If you or the rest of the so-called "shias" ACTUALLY READ these works, you would know this. You folks are so full of the 'Shaykh Mufids, Abu Mikhnafs, Allama Majlisis, etc.', that you can't see daylight...Even the article excerpt I posted on top, is a mistatement that Bibi Zaynab al-Aqila did DAWAH for the "shia community" and Imam Baqir taught to both "shia" and "non-shia" communities...It should have stated for the MUSLIM community or communities, not the MUNAFIQ communities...Which is what many Muslims had become after believing...

Allah Taala HIMSELF foretells this turning back of the Muminin in NUMEROUS ayahs of the Holy Qur'an...

The Safawi Shias have no exclusive CLAIMS or OWNERSHIP of the works of the Aal-i-Muhammad Aimma or Ahlul Bayt al-Muhammdi...They are for the entire MUSLIM or MUMIN community whether their works are accepted or rejected. And the very FACT that the FOUR SUNNI or orthodox schools of Islamic theology were ORIGINATED with Imam Sadiq is clear proof of this...Also, almost all the sources of Majlisi's Ocean of Lights are recognized as "Sunni"...

I am not propagated "Sunni-ism"...As I believe that they too have mis-labelled themselves. Their BIGGEST problem and ONLY real problem is that they follow the propaganda of the Harun ar-Rashid/Yahya Barmaki-iniated BIG PUSH to pattern Islam after Chrisitanity. The traditions of the Apostles (which make up the New Testament) are surprisingly similar in comparison with the concept of the traditions of the Sahabas (the Ahadith)...One can see who patterned who...

Even the "Shias" have done exactly the same thing...Making the Karbala Tragedy the salvation of the "shi'ite" way and the RIGHT way (wasilat) to Almighty God and Heaven as the crucifixion of Christ proposes for Christendom.

Research this analysis and think about it.

Amin.

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P.S. -- In reference and alluding to my earlier post and the excerpt of the Karbala Tragedy :

It was to illustrate that Imam Husayn was a HASHIMITE KNIGHT...An Islamic Hero who fought and died with dignity...

And not what the Safawi Shi'ites inaccurately portray as someone running around his camp wailing "who will help me...?"

Edited by Al-Afza, 01 August 2008 - 09:52 AM.

[Cyan_Garamond]

Al-Afza, on Jul 30 2008, 11:52 AM, said:

Salam..

If our Islamic Uleyma and their works were examined and analyzed under microscopic scrutiny by Western Academics and their methods, ALL the established scholars from Shaykh Mufid to Bukhari, Muslim, Majlisi, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, etc.. WOULD COME ACROSS AS FOOLS.

Western Academics would completely dismantle the ahadith provided by "Abbasid" and Safavid scholars and make us Muslims and our standard version of our own history look like clowns.

What with all the contradictions, illogic, confused narratives, and the preposterous :

"Shaykh so-and-so related that shaykh so-and-so related to so-and-so that ... "

Think about it. Amin.

Could you recommend some good works by the Academia on the Islamic/Shia History.  I've looked at Succession to Mohammad (I forget the author, it was a German-sounding name).  I'm not entirely sure what to say about it.