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Posted 15 December 2003 - 08:31 AM

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One day Abu Hanifa was teaching at the college. Bahlool was sitting in a corner, listening to Abu Hanifa's lesson. In the middle of his lesson, Abu Hanifa said that, "Imam Jafar Sadiq says three things that I don't agree with.

These are: Firstly, he says Shaitan will be punished in the Hell-fire. Since Shaitan is made of fire, then how is it possible that fire can hurt him? One kind of thing can't get hurt from the same kind of thing. Secondly, he says that we can't see Allah; but something that is present must also be able to be seen. Therefore, Allah can be seen by our eyes. Thirdly, he says that whoever does something is himself responsible for it; and will be questioned about it because he did it himself; but evidence is against this. Meaning, whatever a person does is done by Allah and the person has no control over what he does."



As soon as Abu Hanifa said this, Bahlool picked up a clod of earth and threw it at him. It hit his forehead and gave him severe pain. Then Bohlool ran away. Abu Hanifa's students ran after Bohlool and caught him. Since Bahlool was related to the Khalifa, they took him to the Khalifa and narrated the whole incident.

Bahlool said, "Call Abu Hanifa so that I can give him my answer."

Abu Hanifa was called and Bahlool said to him, "What wrong have I done to you?"

"You hit my forehead with a clod of earth. My forehead and head are in severe pain."

"Can you show me your pain?"

"Can pain be seen?"

Bahlool replied, "You yourself say that every present thing can be seen and you criticize Imam Jafar Sadiq by saying how is it possible that Allah is present, but invisible. Secondly, you wrongly claim that the clod of earth pains your head; because the clod of earth is made of mud and you were also created from mud. Then how can one kind of thing hurt the same type of substance? Thirdly, you yourself said that all acts are done by Allah. Then how can you say that I am guilty, present me to the Khalifa, complain about me, and demand punishment for me!"

Abu Hanifa listened to Bahlool's intelligent answers and shamefully left Haroun's court.
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Posted 15 December 2003 - 08:40 AM

Selam alaycom,

I love this story. I heard it again recently in Ammar Nakshawani's Ramadhan lectures. Must be a popular one with the wacky Iraqis.

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Posted 15 December 2003 - 09:46 AM

jlainqatar, on Dec 15 2003, 08:40 AM, said:

Selam alaycom,

I love this story. I heard it again recently in Ammar Nakshawani's Ramadhan lectures. Must be a popular one with the wacky Iraqis.

Peace,
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It is a popular story, with many people, not only with Iraqis...

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Posted 15 December 2003 - 02:51 PM

a really nice story. thanx for posting it in. but is there any more stories relating something to do with imam sadik (as)? i would be grateful if you post them in. thanx in advance.

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Posted 15 December 2003 - 03:09 PM

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really nice story of bahlool!!
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aur silsiley se silsila mil hi jayega .
Murtaza se Mustafa tak ayiye .
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Posted 15 December 2003 - 03:17 PM

Salam Alaykum.

This story's a classic.. they've also made a series on Bahlool, which was available to watch on Manar TV during the past Ramadhan.  There may be up-coming re-runs on other channels.
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Posted 15 December 2003 - 06:50 PM

sayed_ali, on Dec 15 2003, 02:51 PM, said:

a really nice story. thanx for posting it in. but is there any more stories relating something to do with imam sadik (as)? i would be grateful if you post them in. thanx in advance.
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Right now I don't have any, but if I found some more, I will post them :)
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Posted 15 December 2003 - 06:51 PM

faithmuslima, on Dec 15 2003, 03:17 PM, said:

Salam Alaykum.

This story's a classic.. they've also made a series on Bahlool, which was available to watch on Manar TV during the past Ramadhan.  There may be up-coming re-runs on other channels.
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Yes it is famous...but I got it way before this past Ramadhan...
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Posted 16 December 2003 - 12:00 PM

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Masha'Allah... great story, May Allah reward you brother for postin it :)
It's become worldwide now ! Masha'Allah ... and ummm, just a quick note : It's buhlool ( bohlool ) not bahlool :D

And i've watched the series on Manar TV ... it was so kool, Masha'Allah .. such a clever man, Insha'Allah we take his path :)

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Posted 19 December 2003 - 10:19 AM

Salam Alaikum
I spell it as I hear people or shaikhs say it
They say it Bahlool...I don't know it if it is exactly right or no but people understand them


TO seyed_ali: I GOT MANY STORIES REALTED TO IMAM SADIQ (as)
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Posted 21 December 2003 - 04:25 PM

www.almujtaba.com, on Dec 19 2003, 10:19 AM, said:

Salam Alaikum
I spell it as I hear people or shaikhs say it
They say it Bahlool...I don't know it if it is exactly right or no but people understand them


TO seyed_ali: I GOT MANY STORIES REALTED TO IMAM SADIQ (as)
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(salam)
can you plzz post them in then! thank you ^_^

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Posted 22 December 2003 - 01:36 PM

Salam Alaikum
I posted them :)
You can check them out :)

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Posted 23 December 2003 - 05:32 PM

www.almujtaba.com, on Dec 22 2003, 01:36 PM, said:

Salam Alaikum
I posted them :)
You can check them out :)

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thanks :D  i enjoyed reading them! and i appretiated u took your time to send them in. jazakallah khair ^_^

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Posted 23 December 2003 - 08:50 PM

Salam Alaikum
Oh it was nothing....
I like posting on SHIACHAT!
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Posted 24 December 2003 - 06:09 PM

www.almujtaba.com, on Dec 19 2003, 10:19 AM, said:

Salam Alaikum
I spell it as I hear people or shaikhs say it
They say it Bahlool...I don't know it if it is exactly right or no but people understand them


TO seyed_ali: I GOT MANY STORIES REALTED TO IMAM SADIQ (as)
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(salam)

In arabic, it's pronounced as Buhlool ( Bohlool ) ... :D

May Allah ( swt ) guide us all ...

Wa (salam)

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Posted 25 December 2003 - 04:10 AM

Imami_ali, on Dec 24 2003, 06:09 PM, said:

www.almujtaba.com, on Dec 19 2003, 10:19 AM, said:

Salam Alaikum
I spell it as I hear people or shaikhs say it
They say it Bahlool...I don't know it if it is exactly right or no but people understand them


TO seyed_ali: I GOT MANY STORIES REALTED TO IMAM SADIQ (as)
(bismillah)

(salam)

In arabic, it's pronounced as Buhlool ( Bohlool ) ... :D

May Allah ( swt ) guide us all ...

Wa (salam)

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Posted 25 December 2003 - 05:35 AM

www.almujtaba.com, on Dec 25 2003, 04:10 AM, said:

Imami_ali, on Dec 24 2003, 06:09 PM, said:

www.almujtaba.com, on Dec 19 2003, 10:19 AM, said:

Salam Alaikum
I spell it as I hear people or shaikhs say it
They say it Bahlool...I don't know it if it is exactly right or no but people understand them


TO seyed_ali: I GOT MANY STORIES REALTED TO IMAM SADIQ (as)
(bismillah)

(salam)

In arabic, it's pronounced as Buhlool ( Bohlool ) ... :D

May Allah ( swt ) guide us all ...

Wa (salam)

- 3abdulrahman Chirri [ 2al 3amili ] -
(salam)
THANKS
  (bismillah)

(salam)

May Allah ( swt ) reward you insha'Allah :)

Wa (salam)

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O cup [of wine] you are at the lips of death *** Nothing has remained of you but a [single] sip


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Posted 25 December 2003 - 03:26 PM

Imami_ali, on Dec 25 2003, 05:35 AM, said:

www.almujtaba.com, on Dec 25 2003, 04:10 AM, said:

Imami_ali, on Dec 24 2003, 06:09 PM, said:

www.almujtaba.com, on Dec 19 2003, 10:19 AM, said:

Salam Alaikum
I spell it as I hear people or shaikhs say it
They say it Bahlool...I don't know it if it is exactly right or no but people understand them


TO seyed_ali: I GOT MANY STORIES REALTED TO IMAM SADIQ (as)
(bismillah)

(salam)

In arabic, it's pronounced as Buhlool ( Bohlool ) ... :D

May Allah ( swt ) guide us all ...

Wa (salam)

- 3abdulrahman Chirri [ 2al 3amili ] -
(salam)
THANKS
(bismillah)

(salam)

May Allah ( swt ) reward you insha'Allah :)

Wa (salam)

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And reward you too...
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Posted 06 May 2004 - 05:09 AM

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I hope everyone is well :)

Do you know if this story is in Sunni sources?

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 06:09 AM

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I wanted to ask the same thing. I have heard this story many times, but not always as bahlool and abu hanifa. I have heard it many times from sunni's also, I was even told it in a Sunni Islamic school by an Islamic studies teacher, so is it accepted by all over who were the parties involved?

It kind of reminds me of how the story of Prophet Musa with al-Khidr is mentioned so much as a story by christians and secularists. You even get it as an email forward, but they use 'angels' in replacement.
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