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[Abdul Hussain]

This fact sheet was very recently uploaded on Al-Islam and it clarifies why the Shia don't do the congregational Tarawih prayers. You can read the fact sheet here


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[Aboo Fatimah]

Abdul_Hussain, on Nov 2 2003, 07:46 PM, said:

This fact sheet was very recently uploaded on Al-Islam and it clarifies why the Shia don't do the congregational Tarawih prayers. You can read the fact sheet here


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Abdul Hussain? Ahkee? What kinda name is that?

[Hannibal]

Aboo Fatimah, on Nov 2 2003, 08:00 PM, said:

Abdul_Hussain, on Nov 2 2003, 07:46 PM, said:

This fact sheet was very recently uploaded on Al-Islam and it clarifies why the Shia don't do the congregational Tarawih prayers. You can read the fact sheet here


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Abdul Hussain? Ahkee? What kinda name is that?

Its an arabic name

[Abdul Hussain]

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Abdul Hussain? Ahkee? What kinda name is that?

My first name could be Abdul and my surname could be Hussain. Anything strange about that. Or.......... my first name could be Abd Al-Hussain, do you find that uncomfortable? Yes, ABD Al-Hussain. Anyway, perhaps you could use your time to respond to the original topic rather than getting yourself worked up on why someone would have a name such as mine. There are names such as Abd Ali, Abd Al-Hassan, Abd Al-Abbas, Abd Al-Ridha and Abd Al-Hadi to name a few. I'm sure it's been discussed here before.


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[Orion]

From what I understand, "Abd" means slave. Abdul_Hussain could mean Slave of Hussain. In Pakistan we have names like Ghulam Mohammad and Ghulam Hussain which means Slave of Mohammad and Slave of Hussain. So what is the problem?

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[Orion]

BTW, I disagree with the topic name Why the Shia avoid the Tarawih. It should have been Why the Ahlu Sunnat offer Tarawih??????

[Aboo Fatimah]

I'm just saying Abdul is limited to the names of Allah. Because Abdul means slave, you are a slave of noone but Allah. Like your name could be Abdul Ali because this is one of Allahs names. But Abdul Hussain? Abdul Baqir? C'mon Ahk if your an Arab, you should know this. Oh and I read the Tawarih things, its Nonsense. I just wanted to point you error out to you. Take heed or don't.

[Abdul Hussain]

Yes, it is true, Abd does mean slave. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be named as 'Slave of Hussain'. It is an honorific name for the Imam (S) not meant to be in a worshipful manner. For the sunnis, this name rings alarm bells, and that one special word which they covet so much comes into their minds..... SHIRK. Ok, I got one for you, Abd Al-Muttalib, he was named after his grandfather, Al-Muttalib, so is he a mushrik for being named Abd Al-Muttalib? Wake up man, the name is out of affection for the Imam (S) and in no way encroaches on the Divinity of Allah (SWT).


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[Abdul Hussain]

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Oh and I read the Tawarih things, its Nonsense

What an absolutely detailed and enlightening statement. Perhaps you can explain a bit more. When you say something in criticism, say it with evidence.


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[Aboo Fatimah]

Bro his name was 'Abd Allah ibn 'Abd Al Muttalib

He was the son of Abd Al Muttalib, and this was just the Kunya he was given. His name were certaintly and surely `Abd Allah.

[Abdul Hussain]

Once again you have demonstrated that uncanny ability of writing before thinking. I was referring to the Grandfather of the Prophet pbuh , Abd Al-Muttalib, not his father Abdallah. Abd Al-Muttalib was named after his own grandfather, Al-Muttalib. It was not just a kunya, he was given the name out of honorific respect for his grandfather.


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Edited by Abdul_Hussain, 02 November 2003 - 09:17 PM.

[Orion]

When the person named say Abdul Hussain knows that Hussain is not God but a Slave of Allah so how can it be Shirk?

If this is your critaria of Shirk all Sunnis named Ghulam Mohammad and Ghulam Rasool will be sons of Musriks (since their parents gave them this name).

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[Aboo Fatimah]

I didn't use the word Shirk, in this case the words I was think was Jahil, on the issue. This is all.

Btw his name was Abd `Allah Ibn Abd `Al Muttalib and we all know about Al Muttalib. So lets not get into that.

[Abdul Hussain]

I wont dignify your posts with anymore replies, just to say that for the third time, I AM REFERRING TO ABD AL-MUTTALIB, NOT ABDALLAH. Anyway, accusing someone of being a jahil means they have no belief in Allah, just as bad as shirk.


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[Abdul Hussain]

and you still haven't explained this saying:

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Oh and I read the Tawarih things, its Nonsense

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[Gypsy]

Orion, on Nov 3 2003, 01:46 AM, said:

BTW, I disagree with the topic name Why the Shia avoid the Tarawih. It should have been Why the Ahlu Sunnat offer Tarawih??????

I would have to disagree with you here. Changing the tittle would give some legitemacy at Sunni practise of taraweh which is hardly appropriate.

[Abdul_Zahra]

Salaams.

Br. Aboo Fatima: What's your problem with Br. Abdul Hussain's name??

I will, Inshallah, call my son Abdul Hussain and my other son Abdul Zahra!!

Linguistically ABD means Servant not slave. We're all servants of Imam Hussain and by serving Imam Hussain we will have served Allah (swt).

Ever heard of the famous WAHABI 'scholar' by the name of Syed Abdul Hassan Ali Al-Nadwai!!!??? Yes, he's a Wahabi and he's been awarded by King Fahad of Saudi Arabia for his work.



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[FirasH]

It seems you're all forgetting one word.. especially the brother who created this topic. Even the article you posted says "Why the shia avoid the Tarawih congregations?"

the main point of the article is to not to show the tarawih being wrong.. but rather not praying them in congregation...

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The Shi’ah always aspire to pray the night prayer – called the Tahajjud or Qiyam al-Layl or Salat al-Layl – in the last part of the nights of every month, particularly during Ramadan.  They are also commended to offer additional nawafil prayers during the nights of Ramadan. 

Sunni Muslims also perform Salat al-lay.... and Shia Muslims seem to offer "nawafil" prayers during the nights of Ramadan as opposed to Sunnis who perform Tarawih... thats the only difference (based on that article) that i honestly can see...

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However, they offer these optional prayers mostly in their homes and never in congregation.  By doing so they abide by the Qur’an and the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (s).

The only problem i have with the last quote, is "by doing so , they abivde by the Qur'an.." ... can you show me quotes of where in the Qur'an it says to perform optional prayers in our homes and never in congregation?

[MajiC]

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Abdul Hussain?  Ahkee?  What kinda name is that?

'ABD means servent. Abdul Hussein means servent of Hussain . As Shia, we are all servents of Hussein thus we are servents of the Prophet (saw) thus we are serving Allah. ABD implies affection for Imam Hussein who died for Islam, the grandson of the Prophet (saw) himself. For such a man, who sacrificed himself for the cause of Islam we are affectionate and we will serve and follow him. The same applies to all the infallible Imams . This is the reasoning behind it, and it would be out of ignorance to label it shirk or jahil.

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Oh and I read the Tawarih things, its Nonsense

This is not an argument though. How will you covince someone? Please enlighten us, there must be a reason why you reject what your most authentic books have to say!?

Edited by MajiC, 07 November 2003 - 07:53 AM.