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[Peer]

Aslamo 3alikum,

Yes, I believe he knew how to read and write.

Wa'Salam
Ali

[malangshah]

salama ali'kum

all shias should believe that the Prophet  pbuh could read and write
otherwise their will be a problem with them...

salama ali'kum

[Gypsy]

NO, The Holy Prophet was not illiterate.

This is the first verse from Almighty Allah swt. Does it make sense that Allah swt is asking the Holy Prophet(as) to read if he was illiterate?

"Read in the name of your Lord Who created. Createth man from a clot. 96:1-2"

Secondly, I am having tough time to believe that such a magnificent man who brought Islam to the whole world could not teach himself Arabic alphabets to read

[Ali Mahdi]

Interesting topic. I always thought Prophet Mohammad was illiterate but I guess not! Allahu Akbar!

Allah Hafiz!

[Sarah]

Rasullulah  pbuh  is an infallible.

That explains my reason.

Wassalam, Sarah

[sayed_ali]

Infallible

\In*fal"li*ble\, a. [Pref. in- not + fallible: cf. F. infallible.] 1. Not fallible; not capable of erring; entirely exempt from liability to mistake; unerring; inerrable. --Dryden.

2. Not liable to fail, deceive, or disappoint; indubitable; sure; certain; as, infallible evidence; infallible success; an infallible remedy.

To whom also he showed himself alive, after his passion, by many infallible proofs. --Acts i. 3.

3. (R. C. Ch.) Incapable of error in defining doctrines touching faith or morals. See Papal infallibility, under Infallibility.

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Saying Prophet Mohammed pbuh is infallible doesnt mean to say he isnt if he cant read or write. He was Infallible in his devotion to Allah.

I personally think he was illiterate, but he refused to learn to read and write just incase ppl began to say he was the guy who wrote the Koran.
As for Imam Ali, I heard he learnt how to read and write (pretty damn well actually) from captives caught in the wars. I was told that the Prophet  pbuh  made this rule that if a captive would teach 10 believers how to read and write, he would be set free. Good tactic innit.

I know there r some proofs to say that the prophet  pbuh  did know how to read and write, but I havent come across those yet.

WS

[Socrates]

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I personally think he was illiterate, but he refused to learn to read and write just incase ppl began to say he was the guy who wrote the Koran.

The fact of the matter is, just because Prophet pbuh did not read or write doesn't mean he couldn't.

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As for Imam Ali, I heard he learnt how to read and write (pretty damn well actually) from captives caught in the wars.

No offence, but you heard wrong. Prophets and Imams are taught by Allah.

[Ayatollah_X]

No he could not read or write...Most people during that time did not.  Reading was not required...this was before street signs, computers, mass libraries, book companies etc etc. The ability to read was not needed for him.  Generally during those times only the wealthy knew how to read.  And our Holy Prophet(pbuh) was not born of wealth.  Try studying about Old Arabia, from a non-islamic viewpoint & you could learn alot more about Islam.

[El-hage]

how about you go read the quran, the prophet learned how to read
بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمنِ الرَّحِيمِ
اقْرَأْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ {1}
[Shakir 96:1] Read in the name of your Lord Who created.

خَلَقَ الْإِنسَانَ مِنْ عَلَقٍ {2}
[Shakir 96:2] He created man from a clot.

اقْرَأْ وَرَبُّكَ الْأَكْرَمُ {3}
[Shakir 96:3] Read and your Lord is Most Honorable,

الَّذِي عَلَّمَ بِالْقَلَمِ {4}
[Shakir 96:4] Who taught (to write) with the pen

عَلَّمَ الْإِنسَانَ مَا لَمْ يَعْلَمْ {5}
[Shakir 96:5] Taught man what he knew not.

كَلَّا إِنَّ الْإِنسَانَ لَيَطْغَى {6}
[Shakir 96:6] Nay! man is most surely inordinate,

أَن رَّآهُ اسْتَغْنَى {7}
[Shakir 96:7] Because he sees himself free from want.

[Socrates]

Ayatollah_X, on Sep 17 2003, 05:48 AM, said:

No he could not read or write...Most people during that time did not.  Generally during those times only the wealthy knew how to read.  And our Holy Prophet(pbuh) was not born of wealth.

You're telling me that the best creation of God coould not  read or write.  

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Reading was not required...this was before street signs, computers, mass libraries, book companies etc etc. The ability to read was not needed for him.

The whole of Arabia were literary people.  

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Try studying about Old Arabia, from a non-islamic viewpoint & you could learn alot more about Islam.

Take your own advice, who knows what you might learn  

[El-hage]

u see i owned him, the quran is my witness, he shut his mouth that wahabi!

[Ali Moosawi]

ya ali maddad
brothers sure the prophet knows how to read and write i think that this subject is a too silly to be discussed for allpeople should acceptthis with no doubt. guys imagine that the king of all creatures Mohammad the higher of all prophets  nd the first created by God where he was noor before he came to earth and before all wsa created where God addresses him (Ya Mohammad l;awlak lama khalaktu alaflak) that means without you i would not have  created the universe, so guys imagine coould this greatiness  not know how to erad and write. Before he anounced himself as a prophet the trees did kneel to him and tell him asssalamu aleika ya rasoolallah . So what guys? did u get it
as for the ayat htey r translated in a different manner like anabiy alumi means not o not know how to read and write but makka is called umm alkura and he is from it so he is ummi

[Ayatollah_X]

YouthOfAli, on Sep 17 2003, 12:53 AM, said:

The whole of Arabia were literary people.  



Take your own advice, who knows what you might learn  

Study Arabia before Islam.  Then answer this post, its obvious you know nothing of Arabia or Arab culture Pre-Islam.  To even make a statement like this shows you have 0 information on the subject. Not knowing is not a sin...lying is.

[Ayatollah_X]

El-hage, on Sep 17 2003, 01:37 PM, said:

u see i owned him, the quran is my witness, he shut his mouth that wahabi!

I did not answer because you did not ask a specific question...i could easily post information in my favor.  Also you know not of me, my sect of manhaj.  speak of which you know, go pray to ali's(rip) photograph....lame o.

[Socrates]

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Study Arabia before Islam. Then answer this post, its obvious you know nothing of Arabia or Arab culture Pre-Islam. To even make a statement like this shows you have 0 information on the subject. Not knowing is not a sin...lying is.

Arabia before Islam was full of poets. It seems you know jack all about Pre Islam Arabs. Why do you think they were surprised by the Qur'an? For Allah to reveal the aya is Surah Yaseen, that Qur'an is NOT poetry. Poems of the great Arabs hung in Kaba.

READ SOME HISTORY.

[Sarah]

venusian, on Sep 12 2003, 01:08 AM, said:

One famous saying of the 9th Imam Muhammad Taqi al Jawad follows:

Some one asked, “was the Messenger of God Muhammad ibn Abdullah an illiterate.” Imam replied, “No, the Messenger of God knew 72 languages in which he could read, write and speak.”

(http://www.al-islam.org/kaaba14/12.htm)

  

I believe we have found the answer.  

Wassalam, Sarah

[El-hage]

Ayatollah_X, on Sep 18 2003, 05:43 AM, said:

I did not answer because you did not ask a specific question...i could easily post information in my favor.  Also you know not of me, my sect of manhaj.  speak of which you know, go pray to ali's(rip) photograph....lame o.

i dont pray to Imam ali dont put words in my mouth Mr.
you have a lot to learn boy, u didnt respont to my post because u cant defend urself, its quoted from the Quran and it says that god demanded the prophet Mohamad to read, if god demands his prophet to do something he will do it without even thinking, whatever u give me will not have any influence on me, ur arguing with allahs books, i dont think so little man, how about u start rading the Quran and then talk sect wise.....i bet ur a new to islam and some wahabi played with ur head.

[Ayatollah_X]

YouthOfAli, on Sep 18 2003, 11:51 AM, said:

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Study Arabia before Islam. Then answer this post, its obvious you know nothing of Arabia or Arab culture Pre-Islam. To even make a statement like this shows you have 0 information on the subject. Not knowing is not a sin...lying is.

Arabia before Islam was full of poets. It seems you know jack all about Pre Islam Arabs. Why do you think they were surprised by the Qur'an? For Allah to reveal the aya is Surah Yaseen, that Qur'an is NOT poetry. Poems of the great Arabs hung in Kaba.

READ SOME HISTORY.

Wow...there were a few poets...  This still does not change the fact that the Prophet(saw) could not read or write.  Sorry Shia...once again you are incorrect...How does it feel to be christians hiding under the gaze of islam?  This is kafrchat at its best.  i invite you all to www.spubs.com

[Ayatollah_X]

El-hage, on Sep 19 2003, 07:28 PM, said:

i dont pray to Imam ali dont put words in my mouth Mr.
you have a lot to learn boy, u didnt respont to my post because u cant defend urself, its quoted from the Quran and it says that god demanded the prophet Mohamad to read, if god demands his prophet to do something he will do it without even thinking, whatever u give me will not have any influence on me, ur arguing with allahs books, i dont think so little man, how about u start rading the Quran and then talk sect wise.....i bet ur a new to islam and some wahabi played with ur head.

"boy"  thanks...now we are getting racial i see.  what a surprise, a racist shi'te.

[El-hage]

racist i am not, i just hate wahabis aka koufar, show me ur proof that the prophet didnt know how to read and write, comeone bud.........signs and signals....ok there.....get ur act together, i ask u a question or post something solid from the holy quran and u run, typical of a wahabi