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Tabarra: A tradition firmly rooted in Tashayyu

Mansur Bakhtiari

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بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

اللهم صل علی محمد واله و عجل فرجهم والعن اعدائهم

السلام علیک و رحمه الله

Now, as you may already know, I am leaving the country for 10 days, meaning my next entry about Saint Paul and deviations in early Christianity will have to be delayed. However, I wanted to make a post about tabarra because it's an issue that is very controversial in our community. We have staunch opposers and staunch defenders. I think I made 3-4 threads on this topic, which I will find and post at the bottom of the page Inshallah. I will provide various proofs through hadith, the Quran and scholarly verdicts. I guess this is somewhat more of an opinion piece, however I have done a lot of unbiased research on this, and am quite sure there is enough proof to establish tabarra as an Islamic concept, and highly recommended. Before I start, let me say that I don't want a war in the comment section. It's really not helpful for this website. If you disagree with me, point out the exact parts which you feel are incorrect and we can discuss :)

Terminologies

تبرأ-Tabarra: It is from the Arabic root برء. According to the Al Maany English to Arabic dictionary, it can mean to deny, reject, disown, be absolved of and to disown. A commonly used definition is disassociation, which also works given the context. Actually, that is the definition given in the Al Maany Arabic Terms Dictionary. The word is actually used in the Quran (9:1) to describe the Prophet (saw)'s disassociation from some of the Muslims who declared an alliance with the unbelievers of Mecca. The word is also used by Allamah Muhammad Baqir al Majlisi (Haqqul Yaqeen, Volume 2, Page 591) to describe the wicked men and women we should (according to the english translation) disassociate ourselves from. However, in theory we could also use the word reject, because we do reject what our Sunni brethren believe about them. I feel the correct definition for this word in the context of this discussion is rejection. Disassociaton or absolving ourselves from them does not make sense, because simply calling ourselves Shia disassociates ourselves from them and absolves us from any affiliation with those oppressors. So in the context of this discussion and its usage in the Shia books and the Shia sect, we will use reject as the correct meaning of tabarra.

لعنة-Lanat: This word is used many times in the Quran and in our Duas, like Ziyarat Ashura for example. In the Al Maany dictionary, the word lanat is translated as curse, however some english speaking scholars like Dr. Ammar Nakshawani, for example, state that a better way to describe lanat is as a Dua to remove mercy from someone. I have also heard many fear the word curse may become mixed up with the arabic word seb, which means to insult, which I will get to. The root word of lanat actually is لعن, and if you look up the definition of لعن in an arabic dictionary, the exact english translation will be to anathematize. If you google the meaning, it will show up as to curse, or to condemn. From this perspective I think we can view the meaning of lanat as two things.

  1. Asking Allah to send lanat upon a person or group of people. For example, allahumma al'anhuma wa ansarahuma (from Dua Saname Quraish), is asking Allah to send lanat upon this person. You are asking Allah to increase his punishment on these individuals, and for him to remove his mercy from them. The correct translation I feel for this article, as I have already shown the distinction between seb and lanat, is curse. We ask Allah to curse them with his punishment and withdrawal of his mercy
  2. Lanat as a form of Tabarra. When the names of certain la'inin (cursed individuals), you will hear the speaker say lanat ullahi ealayh (Upon him be the curse of Allah). While this is a dua against them, it also symbolizes a disassociation and rejection of the cursed individual, which is exactly the definition of tabarra. I think this also corresponds to the second meaning of anathematization, which is to condemn. While I feel the definition of tabarra is rejection, I will refer to lanat done in the way mentioned as condemnation, as in reality that is what we are doing. Openly condemning the enemies of Ahlulbayt (as)

These are the two most important definitions you should be familiar with. Basic knowledge of Islamic history during the era of the Umarayn (3 "caliphs"), because I will be talking about rejecting, condemning and cursing those figures (without breaching SC rules nor using provocative language)

Lanat in the Noble Quran

Surah Hijr Ayat 35:

And indeed, upon you is the curse until the Day of Recompense.

As you guessed, the exact arabic word for curse in this Ayat is al'anat. A similar Ayat is found in Surah Suad Verse 28. Surah Qasas Verse 42, Surah Maidah Verse 13 and many many more include the word curse, and an article on this subject can be found here. So we know, among the many people Allah cursed, are the liars, the unbelievers, Shaitan (la) and the people of Aad. 

Also, the first verse of Surah Taubah I would also like to mention. [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists. Now, the sense of tabarra is a little different in this Ayat. Obviously there were a group of Muslims (deviants) who made treaties with the polytheists (which we can actually consider innovation in Islam, since it was in the name of Allah and his Rasool), This Ayat says they have NOTHING to do with them. They are in NO way associated with them, and reject them completely! When we consider the bid'ah, the crimes agains the family of Hazrat Muhammad (saw), we should want NOTHING to do with the Umarayn and their associates. The ahadith which I wish to mention elaborate more on this. Before I elaborate further, to legitimize my previous point, I wish to quote page 519 of the english translation of Allameh Majlisi (ra)'s work Haqqul Yaqeen, translated by Sayed Akhtar Rizvi

In the same way are the indictments of Muawiyah, Talha, Zubair, Ayesha, Hafasa, Bani Umayyah and Bani Abbas Caliphs and all wicked persons, heretics etc. which may also be referred to in Biharul Anwar and books of other reliable authors. 

The Sunni hadith reports do not have any record of the Prophet (saw) cursing the Umarayn, and that may not have happened in his lifetime. However, their record of Fatimah al Zahra cursing the Umarayn, who wronged and oppressed her, along with usurping her property.

Al Imamah wa Al Siyasa by Ibn Qutaybah, Page 14

 

Ibn Qutaybah, in al-Imamah wal Siyasah, narrates that 'Umar said to Abu Bakr: 'Let's go to Fatimah, for we have made her angry.' So they went together and asked her permission, but she denied it to them. They asked Ali to talk to her, and he did. When they entered and sat, she turned her face to the wall. They greeted her, but she did not answer. Abu Bakr said: 'O you the Messenger of Allah's beloved! I swear by Allah that the kinship of the Messenger of Allah is more beloved to me than my kinship, and you are surely more beloved to me than my daughter 'Ayshah, and I wished the day your father died that I died and did not stay after him... Do you see me, when knowing you and your virtues and honour, denying you your right and inheritance from the Messenger of Allah Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå? Except that I heard your father the Messenger of Allah Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå saying: We, the folk of prophets, do not leave bequests - what we leave is for alms'.

Fatimah (as) did not comment on the inheritance issue, since she has previously dealt with that in detail in her sermon, but she wanted to establish the proof on the two of them regarding the harm, injustice and wrong-doing to which she was subjected. Hence she said: 'Can I see you if I narrate a hadith from the Messenger of Allah (sawa); you know it, will you do according to it?' They replied: 'Yes'; she said: 'I ask you by Allah, haven't you heard the hadith of the Messenger of Allah (sawa): the satisfaction of Fatimah is my satisfaction and the discontent of Fatimah is my discontent?' They said: 'Yes, we heard it from the Messenger of Allah (sawa)'. She said: 'Therefore, I take Allah and his angels as witnesses that you have made me discontented and have not satisfied me, and when I meet the Prophet I shall complain about you to him!'. Abu Bakr said: 'I take refuge in Allah from his discontent and your discontent O Fatimah!'; but she said: 'I swear by Allah that I shall invoke Allah against you in every prayer I do!

So Fatimah (sa) would invoke Allah against Abu Bakr in all her prayers. Imploring Allah against someone. That's the definition of lanat given by scholars like Ammar Nakshawani, asking Allah to remove mercy from a specific person. So Fatimah (as) cursed Abu Bakr and Umar. The explanation given by Sunni scholars isn't that well thought over. For example, Ibn Kathir said that the anger of Fatimah (sa) is just like the anger of any other son of Adam (quoted by Shiapen). That goes contrary to the widely known hadith whoever angers Fatimah has angered me, and whoever angers me has angered Allah. And it's also widely reported in books like Bukhari and Muslim that Fatimah (sa) died angry with Abu Bakr and Umar, most likely for their usurping of the land of Fadak, and them being her killers. 

A great article on cursing in Sunni books is found here and a good website dedicated to exposing the reality of Umar ibn Khattab is here

 

PART TWO

Now, I want this part to focus on the philosophy behind Tabarra, the meaning of it. Why do we say "Oh Allah Curse so and so." What benefit does this bring? If any? Let me start with a hadith from our 6th Imam (as)\

"What is religion except love and hate?" (Kitab al Kafi Volume 2 Page 125)

Love and hate. This hadith speaks for itself. People always talk about Tawalla (love) for the Ahlulbayt, but ignore hatred towards their enemies. Don't get me wrong, tawalla is very important, but we have to accept ALL aspects of Islam! How can you accept one Usool ud Deen and ignore another! A famous hadith, again from our 6th Imam:

"The halal of Muhammad is an everlasting halal until the Day of Judgement, and the haram of Muhammad is an everlasting Haram until the Day of Judgement."

So, you can not reject an aspect of Islam, as, just like halal and haram, it is everlasting until the day of judgement. We can hide our belief in a certain aspect if needed (I will talk about Taqiyya in my next part Inshallah) but if we reject it, without coercion, then that is obviously wrong. If the Imam says love AND hate are both aspects of Islam, we should consider them aspects of Islam, and respect them. Now, to start really talking about it's philosophy, I want to elaborate on the first ahadith I mentioned by using the words of scholars. I'm quoting from Philosophy of Islamic Laws by Ayatollah Naser Makarem Shirazi and Ayatollah Jafar Sobhani.

 

Here the topics of discussion are the last two; Tawalla (to love) and Tabarra (to express aloofness). That is we love some and hate some. We should love the friends of Allah, those who desire truth, righteous people and supporters of truth and justice and we should hate the evildoers, oppressors, lovers of enjoyment and enemies of Allah, His Prophet and humanity.

Why shouldn't we love all of them? Why shouldn't we behave nicely with all of them? Can we forgo the method of living with amity in the present age? However, those who are in favor of having friendly relations with all must be asked:

In the world which has oppressors and oppressed, the unjust and the victims of injustice, the tyrants and the weak, the equitable and the usurpers, the pure and the dirty; shall we love all of them? Shall we remain pleased with all of them? Shall we help all of them? Can any human logic permit us to do so? Can the living conscience permit this mixing up?

 

Now, on the last paragraph. I want to point to a Quranic verse you are probably familiar with, And do not mix up the truth with falsehood.  Let me point, from the same chapter of that book, to the last two paragraphs in that chapter

 

If instead of acting upon the two principles everyone agrees with every school of thought, every condition is accepted and human society does not get close to useful things and does not keep away from harmful things, the humanity will soon be destroyed.

That is the reason that the Holy Prophet (S) has said: “The strongest support of faith is to love for Allah and to express hatred for the sake of Allah.”

 

Harmful things. I think we can include, among many harmful things which harm the religion, to be bidah, innovations in the religion. This can drive us down the wrong path. It is wrong to consider figures like, lets say Abu Hurairah, whom we know was a liar, or Sayf ibn Umar, the inventor of "Abdullah ibn Saba," as good, or even to be neutral on these figures. The world, and especially the Ummah, needs to be exposed to the lies of these people. We should make it clear that the Shia reject these figures. Whether it be in books, or whether we openly and publicly say lanat ullahi ealayh after their names (with exceptions of course, which I will elaborate on later), the world should know the reality of these men and women.

But why curse, as in say lanat against them. The easy answer is that the Imams did it. Read Ziyarat Ashura. Allahum al'an awwal adh dhalimi. Who is the first of the oppressors. Along with the innumerable hadith, many of which I mentioned, and I plan to mention more. But that response isn't good enough. Why though? WHY did the Imams curse them? Tell me, when do you curse someone? It is when they have done wrongs to you, when you hate a person, you curse them. Clearly, if our Imams would curse these individuals, then we should hate them as well. If someone wronged a family member, would you have a neutral stance on this individual. The Prophet (saw) is higher than your family. Even in Sunni books there is the famous hadith Fatimah is a part of me. So id Fatimah (sa) was harmed by a certain individual, he has harmed the Prophet. Furthermore, the famous hadith Whoever has angered Fatimah has angered me, and whoever angers me has angered Allah. There is an obvious connection between these hadith and the one quoted by Ayatollah's Makarem Shirazi and Sobhani, 

“The strongest support of faith is to love for Allah and to express hatred for the sake of Allah.”

 Express hatred. Cursing (lanat) is a way to express hatred. On top of that, it is a practice of the Ahlulbayt (as), and can be found in the Quran. So why has it been rejected?  One of the main arguments is that it harms Shia/Sunni unity. It can cause bloodshed, so we should practice Taqiyya in this regard. I will touch on that in Part Three Inshallah.

PART 3

Ok, so this chapter will be revolving around arguments made in this debate. I want to start with a verse from the Quran

Quran 33:21

Indeed in the Messenger of Allah you have a great example.

What does that mean? If we are in a situation similar to where the Ma'sumeen AS were, we should do what they did, because they're the best example for us. How is this related to Tabarra? This is somewhat obvious when you look at another aspect of the philosophy behind Tabarra. Think of how the Muslims destroyed the idols of Quraysh. This was symbolic, so people would know the truth about them, that they would know these are no Gods, but manmade tools of corruption. The same could be said about the later "Sanamay Quraish," who corrupted the religion of Islam. We can actually verify how punished they are through a narration mentioned in this lecture quoted from al Khisal Page 399, which mentions the seven most cursed people in hell. These were the heads of corruption from past religions. The narration is pretty long so I'd recommend anyone who wants to know more to watch the lecture, but these individuals continue to corrupt our religion even today! Think of the situation we are in. So much violence happening in the name of Islam, from Al Qaeda, IS and their kinds. I think a good parable, especially considering much of this violence is towards Shia, is after the Battle of Jamal. If you want, in the first debate I mentioned, go to 24:00, so you can verify this hadith. Its from the book of Sulaim ibn Qais RA, who wrote in his book.

After the Battle of Jamal, he (Imam Ali AS) ended the Taqiyya, and the peoples faces were filled with shock.

This is like the Quranic command, And do not mix the truth with falsehood. We can't use narrations for taqiyya as daleel when it could contradict a Quranic command. All famous scholars, including recent scholars like Ayatollah al Khoei RA, say that you should end the taqiyya when you must expose the truth. And all famous scholars have ended the taqiyya at some point! Shaykh al Mufid RA wrote books exposing Abu Bakr and Umar, so did Allamah Majlisi RA. If you want to verify the words of Allameh Majlisi, you can read his book Haqqul Yaqeen (the certain truth) in english, and it will say on page 591, as I actually mentioned earlier:

In the same way are the indictments of Muawiyah, Talha, Zubair, Ayesha, Hafasa, Bani Umayyah and Bani Abbas Caliphs and all wicked persons, heretics etc. which may also be referred to in Biharul Anwar and books of other reliable authors. 

What if a Sunni got his hands on this book and killed a Shia because of it? Well, he would be a martyr, to put it bluntly. Quranic commands need to be fulfilled, and doing otherwise is a sin in Islam. Even Sayed Khomeini wrote about Aisha, Hafsa and Muawiya a=in a similar way, though I will not mention that on here. What I'm trying to say is that Taqiyya has a time and place, but so does establishing the truth, and that's something we can't ignore. That's all I want to say, just hoping someone who's unsure on this topic like I was can find some proofs from an Islamic viewpoint that's easier than hours of lectures, debates and reading,

Wasalam

 



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5 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Sadly many shias today run from this wajib amal. 

The Tabarra is concept of Islam. Which conveys that curse of Allah on zalimeen, Munafiqeen and kazibeen. And this is  applicable on  universally on all  individual who do injustices be him muslim or non muslim and sunii or Shia. Now traditionally the way we used to practice Tabarra was more harming than benefitting Islam. So the mujtahids rightly corrected this practice. 

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On 7/18/2017 at 1:50 PM, islam25 said:

The Tabarra is concept of Islam. Which conveys that curse of Allah on zalimeen, Munafiqeen and kazibeen. And this is  applicable on  universally on all  individual who do injustices be him muslim or non muslim and sunii or Shia. Now traditionally the way we used to practice Tabarra was more harming than benefitting Islam. So the mujtahids rightly corrected this practice.

Brother mentioned something in his post. I'll respect his words :)

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Before I start, let me say that I don't want a war in the comment section.

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On 7/18/2017 at 2:08 PM, Sirius_Bright said:

Brother mentioned something in his post. I'll respect his words :)

One more thing Tabarra doesn't mean abusing or calling bad names. It's dissociating from the the wrong person. So to do Tabarra we have to dissociate from all wrong and corruption person. 

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I said I didn't want a war, we can discuss the more controversial aspects definitely.

@islam25 some maraji have prohibited cursing, but that's a small number. Ayatollah Sistani actually came out with a statement saying that based on the conduct of Aisha towards the Prophet (saw), we can't help but curse her (google Ayat. Sistani on lanat). So there's a difference in opinion. Even Khomeini wrote against Aisha in some of his book (you can find that in a video titled khomeini response to khamenei on lanat). So it's not black and white really. One could argue that Tabarra is actually a form of showing love to the Ahlulbayt (as) (check out part two which I'm writing at the moment.)

wasalam

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1 hour ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

I said I didn't want a war, we can discuss the more controversial aspects definitely.

@islam25 some maraji have prohibited cursing, but that's a small number. Ayatollah Sistani actually came out with a statement saying that based on the conduct of Aisha towards the Prophet (saw), we can't help but curse her (google Ayat. Sistani on lanat). So there's a difference in opinion. Even Khomeini wrote against Aisha in some of his book (you can find that in a video titled khomeini response to khamenei on lanat). So it's not black and white really. One could argue that Tabarra is actually a form of showing love to the Ahlulbayt (as) (check out part two which I'm writing at the moment.)

wasalam

Tabara is teaching of quran. That is dissociating one from wrongdoers. Now who soever is wrongdoer be him sunii or Shia or non muslim. We have to dissociate from them.

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2 hours ago, islam25 said:

Tabara is teaching of quran. That is dissociating one from wrongdoers. Now who soever is wrongdoer be him sunii or Shia or non muslim. We have to dissociate from them.

Well said

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الكافي 2: 375) عن الامام الصادق (ع) قال: (قال رسول الله(ص): إذا رأيتم أهل الريب والبدع من بعدي فأظهروا البراءة منهم وأكثروا من سبهم والقول فيهم والوقيعة، وباهتوهم كي لا يطمعوا في الفساد في الإسلام ويحذرهم الناس ولا يتعلمون من بدعهم ، يكتب الله لكم بذلك الحسنات ويرفع لكم به الدرجات في الآخرة.

This hadith from kitab al kafi orders us to insult the heads of heresy and doubt, the likes of Abu bakr, omar, othman, aisha and hafsa.

It is a Prophetic order

وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ

إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ

(53:03-04)

Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.

It is not but a revelation revealed,

Rather it is an order from Allah.

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On 7/30/2017 at 4:09 PM, AliMohammed said:

الكافي 2: 375) عن الامام الصادق (ع) قال: (قال رسول الله(ص): إذا رأيتم أهل الريب والبدع من بعدي فأظهروا البراءة منهم وأكثروا من سبهم والقول فيهم والوقيعة، وباهتوهم كي لا يطمعوا في الفساد في الإسلام ويحذرهم الناس ولا يتعلمون من بدعهم ، يكتب الله لكم بذلك الحسنات ويرفع لكم به الدرجات في الآخرة.

This hadith from kitab al kafi orders us to insult the heads of heresy and doubt, the likes of Abu bakr, omar, othman, aisha and hafsa.

It is a Prophetic order

وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ

إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ

(53:03-04)

Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.

It is not but a revelation revealed,

Rather it is an order from Allah.

@islam25

You have to confirm the Authenticity of narration. You just post it's English translation. Because insulting anyone be him non muslim was never teaching of Rasool saw. But yes he would dissociate himself from them. 

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6 hours ago, AliMohammed said:

Are you denying that hadith from al kafi?

You earlier said that you have posted quranic verse. 

Where is that verse. 

Latter we talk on Al kafi too. 

Just post quranic verse. 

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@islam25 @AliMohammed I deleted your conversation because things were getting too heated, and I would prefer not to have my blog post deleted because I caused a huge controversy or something.

I think it's best I lock the comments until I can get part 3-4 up (Inshallah in 24 hours), so we can criticize what I think of lanat and tabarra in full, Inshallah.

wasalam

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On 7/31/2017 at 3:37 PM, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

@islam25 @AliMohammed I deleted your conversation because things were getting too heated, and I would prefer not to have my blog post deleted because I caused a huge controversy or something.

I think it's best I lock the comments until I can get part 3-4 up (Inshallah in 24 hours), so we can criticize what I think of lanat and tabarra in full, Inshallah.

wasalam

You shouldn't delete

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What about bara'ah towards the mushrikeen? Should we do tabarra from them and hate them as Allah and his messenger have declared bara'ah from them and Allah does not like them? 
وَأَذَانٌ مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ إِلَى النَّاسِ يَوْمَ الْحَجِّ الْأَكْبَرِ أَنَّ اللَّهَ بَرِيءٌ مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ ۙ وَرَسُولُهُ ۚ فَإِن تُبْتُمْ فَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ ۖ وَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّكُمْ غَيْرُ مُعْجِزِي اللَّهِ ۗ وَبَشِّرِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِعَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ - 9:3

And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah. And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.
.قُلْ أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَالرَّسُولَ ۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْكَافِرِينَ - 3:32

Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers.

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17 hours ago, Shi3i_jadeed said:

What about bara'ah towards the mushrikeen? Should we do tabarra from them and hate them as Allah and his messenger have declared bara'ah from them and Allah does not like them? 
وَأَذَانٌ مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ إِلَى النَّاسِ يَوْمَ الْحَجِّ الْأَكْبَرِ أَنَّ اللَّهَ بَرِيءٌ مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ ۙ وَرَسُولُهُ ۚ فَإِن تُبْتُمْ فَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ ۖ وَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّكُمْ غَيْرُ مُعْجِزِي اللَّهِ ۗ وَبَشِّرِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِعَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ - 9:3

And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah. And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.
.قُلْ أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَالرَّسُولَ ۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْكَافِرِينَ - 3:32

Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers.

Well, I don't thing this applies to general non believers, just as hatred of Abu Bakr and Umar does not apply to general Sunnis. We're ordered by the Prophet SAW not to be harsh, because you will not be able to guide people to the truth. That's why our knowledgeable scholars like Sayed Ammar Nakshawani and Sayed Muhammad Rizvi say that tabarra/lanat has a time and place. If you want to invite Sunnis to the true path, you shouldn't be harsh with them.We should 100% discuss the more controversial aspects, because people need to see the truth, but we should hate the heads of corruption. For the people who follow them, we should guide them to the straight path.

As for tabarra from the heads of corruption, that applies to all corrupt people, like Firaun, the wife of Lut, Iblees, etc. We will send lanat upon them when we hear their oppression and wrong doing from the Quran, and make sure our actions are far from the sins and injustices they committed. Make sense?

btw, your name is Shi3I Jadeed. You're a convert to Tashayyu?

Wasalam

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1 hour ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

Well, I don't thing this applies to general non believers, just as hatred of Abu Bakr and Umar does not apply to general Sunnis. We're ordered by the Prophet SAW not to be harsh, because you will not be able to guide people to the truth. That's why our knowledgeable scholars like Sayed Ammar Nakshawani and Sayed Muhammad Rizvi say that tabarra/lanat has a time and place. If you want to invite Sunnis to the true path, you shouldn't be harsh with them.We should 100% discuss the more controversial aspects, because people need to see the truth, but we should hate the heads of corruption. For the people who follow them, we should guide them to the straight path.

As for tabarra from the heads of corruption, that applies to all corrupt people, like Firaun, the wife of Lut, Iblees, etc. We will send lanat upon them when we hear their oppression and wrong doing from the Quran, and make sure our actions are far from the sins and injustices they committed. Make sense?

btw, your name is Shi3I Jadeed. You're a convert to Tashayyu?

Wasalam

Yes I agree we should call people with wisdom and the best manners which is the manners of ahlul bayt (as). I was asking that especially in the light of this ayah, 
قَدْ كَانَتْ لَكُمْ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ فِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ إِذْ قَالُوا لِقَوْمِهِمْ إِنَّا بُرَآءُ مِنكُمْ وَمِمَّا تَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ كَفَرْنَا بِكُمْ وَبَدَا بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمُ الْعَدَاوَةُ وَالْبَغْضَاءُ أَبَدًا حَتَّىٰ تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَحْدَهُ إِلَّا قَوْلَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ لِأَبِيهِ لَأَسْتَغْفِرَنَّ لَكَ وَمَا أَمْلِكُ لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِن شَيْءٍ ۖ رَّبَّنَا عَلَيْكَ تَوَكَّلْنَا وَإِلَيْكَ أَنَبْنَا وَإِلَيْكَ الْمَصِيرُ - 60:4
There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, "Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone" except for the saying of Abraham to his father, "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination.

Yes I am a convert to tashayyu from the path of umarayn and bani umayya to the path of rasulullah (sawa) and  ahlul bayt (as). As shia we must expose the enemies of ahlul bayt and expose their wrongdoings, most sunnis are in ignorance of the history of their role models. Actually sunni ulama and knowledgeable sunnis know this which is why they advise people not to look into the history behind the fitnah of the sahaba and not to comment because without a doubt this leads people from the path of the oppressors and their supporters to the path of the prophets and imams that supports the oppressed. This is very easy because their own books of history are filled with misdeeds of the sahaba.

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