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The Bible, The Quran and Science

Mansur Bakhtiari

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Bismillahir rahmanir raheem

Assalamu alaikom wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

Ok, so while eating halal pepperoni for the first time in Scarborough (not for any good reason, just kind of was there), I spotted something across the road. I didnt even know these existed, it was an Islamic bookstore. I checked the place out for a bit, and decided to by the book "The Bible, The Quran and Science," by Maurice Bucaille. Im reading it right now, but after @Jebreil's lecture on intellectual rigour in the Ummah, I thought we could have a good discussion on the different parts of the book. It'll also help for this to be out there for all non muslims to see the unparalleled eloquence, beauty and preciseness that not even the prose of all the skilled poets of Arabia could match. It might also be helpful to have the views of some SC resident Christians here, especially on topics surrounding the Bible. Inshallah I will find a PDF format so everyone can read the book, and we can have some healthy discussion on the most important parts of the book. Maybe we'll even come away with a full Shia commentary on the book by the time we're done lol. SO, lets get started. Inshallah I'll put up the first topic of discussion later this week.

http://www.islambasics.com/index.php?act=download&BID=4 is the PDF file for the book.



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On 7/3/2017 at 4:08 PM, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

Why so?

Way too simplistic and not Qur'anically correct.

Look at the opening to Sura Rum.  In its own time "near a land close by" and "near the Earth's lowland" are both correct. Though elsewhere in Qur'an a trip to Ta'if was described as a 'long way', --the same with the Night Journey in Bani Israel (#17) -- this Ayat was always mis-understood until after 1946 when it was determined that the Dead Sea basin is the lowest place on Earth.

The Qur'an, inshallah, has a predictive quality about it.

Factoid: this is when Western Chr!stians change the presumed location of Hell from Mt Aetna to the Dead Sea.

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3 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Way too simplistic and not Qur'anically correct.

Look at the opening to Sura Rum.  In its own time "near a land close by" and "near the Earth's lowland" are both correct. Though elsewhere in Qur'an a trip to Ta'if was described as a 'long way', --the same with the Night Journey in Bani Israel (#17) -- this Ayat was always mis-understood until after 1946 when it was determined that the Dead Sea basin is the lowest place on Earth.

Maybe it was made simplistic for non muslims to understand better? I mean, he seems to be targeting mainly the Judeo/Christian world as the first part of his book was on the Bible?

Wait, though on your last part. What does a long or short journey have to do with the dead sea being the lowest place on earth? Sorry, I don't understand.

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Quran reveals that it is internally "consistent". So if Ta'if is a long way and the Tabuk Expedition was "long" in distance (and in time and effort) since it is up by the northern end of the Red Sea, then it is not consistent that the northern edge of the Dead Sea basin is "near".

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Is there a simpler book regarding the same topic? As in showing the light of the Qur'aan to be in compliance with sciences? 

I'd love to know... 

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On 7/3/2017 at 8:36 PM, hasanhh said:

Quran reveals that it is internally "consistent". So if Ta'if is a long way and the Tabuk Expedition was "long" in distance (and in time and effort) since it is up by the northern end of the Red Sea, then it is not consistent that the northern edge of the Dead Sea basin is "near".

I've done a bit of research and couldn't find much, however I believe that it was referred to as a long journey as this was in the year of sorrow, the year when Sayeda Khadija (sa) had passed away. 

http://islamoformation.com/trip-to-taif-saddest-day-in-the-life-of-rasulullahsaw/

According to this website, they also had no animal with them, as the Meccans had taken much of the Muslim's property. 

Taif is two-days walk away from Mecca. His adoptee Zayd(r.a) was accompanying him on that day. They had to walk, due to the “sanctions” of Mecca’s tycoons implied on Muslims, they didn’t have any animal to mount even by then

So obviously by walk it would have been longer.

On 7/9/2017 at 0:41 PM, Fatimiyyeh said:

Is there a simpler book regarding the same topic? As in showing the light of the Qur'aan to be in compliance with sciences? 

I'd love to know... 

https://www.al-islam.org/authenticity-quran-shaykh-muslim-bhanji/scientific-miracle-quran

The scientific miracle of the Quran by Shaykh Muslim Bhanji

http://harunyahya.com/en/Books/870/miracles-of-the-quran-vol1

The miracles of Quran by Harun Yahya

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1 hour ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

I've done a bit of research and couldn't find much, however I believe that it was referred to as a long journey as this was in the year of sorrow, the year when Sayeda Khadija (sa) had passed away. 

http://islamoformation.com/trip-to-taif-saddest-day-in-the-life-of-rasulullahsaw/

According to this website, they also had no animal with them, as the Meccans had taken much of the Muslim's property. 

Taif is two-days walk away from Mecca. His adoptee Zayd(r.a) was accompanying him on that day. They had to walk, due to the “sanctions” of Mecca’s tycoons implied on Muslims, they didn’t have any animal to mount even by then

So obviously by walk it would have been longer.

https://www.al-islam.org/authenticity-quran-shaykh-muslim-bhanji/scientific-miracle-quran

The scientific miracle of the Quran by Shaykh Muslim Bhanji

http://harunyahya.com/en/Books/870/miracles-of-the-quran-vol1

The miracles of Quran by Harun Yahya

Much appreciated.. JazaakAllah

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