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2 hours ago, beardedbaker said:

Can't wait for the day I see Muslims' jaws drop when they see atheists the likes of Commandante Fidel surpass them into Paradise. 

Really looking forward to that day. 

Lol. Atheists in Heaven, is that the latest thing the "new progressive semi-Qur'anist" movement has come up with?

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39 minutes ago, E.L King said:

Yeah I know atheists aren't going to be in Heaven. 

Sure, but how do we know who's an atheist or not? They could be doing taqiyyah....

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It is not for the Prophet and those who have believed to ask forgiveness for the polytheists, even if they were relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are companions of Hellfire.

Al-Tawba, 113

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2 hours ago, E.L King said:

It is not for the Prophet and those who have believed to ask forgiveness for the polytheists, even if they were relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are companions of Hellfire.

Al-Tawba, 113

'after it has become clear to them' is the key part in this verse. :)

And that's in this world. They've still got a chance in barzakh. 

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29 minutes ago, beardedbaker said:

'after it has become clear to them' is the key part in this verse. :)

And that's in this world. They've still got a chance in barzakh. 

Lol. When they do tafsir by opinion ;)

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19 minutes ago, beardedbaker said:

If no expert muffassir did tafsir through his own ijtihad, he remains a muqallid in tafsir. Like 99% of establishment scholars. 

Ra'i of laymen =/= Ijtihad of scholars.

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I haven't read the comments but I have an inkling as to what was expressed.

 

Just for everyone's knowledge:

 

Right now is 2016. Cuba's revolution happened in 1959. It was a very different world.

 

There were many movements at that point in time (particularly in Asia, Africa, and Latin America) which were neither atheistic nor anti-religious whatsoever, which because of the magnetic forces of the time (in other words: because of the political necessity of relying on the USSR for military and economic support), ended up falling under the greater umbrella of what we call "communist" or socialist movements.

 

If we want to see what happens in those cases where such a movement does not lean on the USSR, just look at what happened in Chile with Allende.

 

Moreover, although we obviously have our own ideology, at the same time we must recognize that other people who are in completely different situations, are not even in the position to know about our ideology, let alone make the choice to follow it or not. Do we really expect someone like Fidel to fight his revolution in the name of giving the power to the just, pious faqih? This just doesn't make sense. And if we are going to dismiss people so easily, then why did our Prophet not do the same with the ruler of Abyssinia?

 

We have to think about these things and reflect on them deeply.

 

Cuba before 1959 was, literally and figuratively, a giant brothel. It was prostituting itself both literally and figuratively. It was the place where American corporations acted with impunity and a place where American soldiers could "have a little fun." It was a place where the well-to-do could live a life of luxury unimaginable to most people, while the poor were treated like dogs. Fidel not only uprooted this cancerous foreign influence but also made his country much more just and equitable. These things have value. We respect these things.

 

So to summarize:

 

Was Fidel nominally a communist? Yes. Does that mean he is completely dismissible? No.

 

And when assessing a leader who comes from a totally different context than us, we cannot just measure his beliefs against ours and dismiss him outright. That kind of mentality is what leads to Shias rejecting Bashar al-Assad simply because of his madhab.

 

We know from the example of our Prophets and Imams that it is very important to find common ground with others. There is a lot to like about Fidel. He was brave, just, and did a lot of good for his people. Ideologically, obviously we have differences but at the same time we have to understand that in his time and in his country, there was no other path to take. And quite admirably, he pursued it in his own style. He didn't do everything like the Soviets would do. Who knows, maybe if he were in a later era, he would be praying for the return of Imam Mahdi while sitting next to an uncomfortable Mahmoud Abbas. It's a possibility.

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2 hours ago, beardedbaker said:

Good summary akhi @baradar_jackson

Social justice has no religion. Social justice IS religion. 

Fidel and his companieros' purpose in life was/is to establish social justice at home, and export it abroad, helping fellow revolutionaries. 

They are more religious than 99% of Muslims. 

 

And Fidel wasn't a godless atheist either. Everyone should read the book "Fidel and Religion" which is a series of interviews with him solely on the subject of religion.

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I don't really remember the onset of Castro, but I was 4 during the Bay of Pigs invasion, which was the all American heros going in to free the people from this tyrant. There is a report out now says Castro killed more Cubans in three years than Hitler killed Germans in six. That would be around the 600,000 mark. Interestingly enough the Cuban population grew 500,000 in the first three years of Castro, which is tremendously significant for a country only nearing 7 million, so there's no use listening to American opinion about him. The "never speak of" invasion was a bigger embarrassment than the Vietnam war. 

The people in Florida cheered his death because they saw the worst of a revolution, escaped as refugees, and told horrible stories to their children. Those in Cuba mourned because they lost the leader that "freed" them from an American oppression. During a revolution enemies are killed afar, and up close. No leader during a revolution can afford treason nor distraction. Bad things happen.

I visited cuba a few years back. The people are equally poor, but everybody is fed, everybody gets an education. The standard of living is far below what we know, but they don't. They are, for the most part happy, decently dressed, and friendly. I didn't know what to expect going to a communist country, but didn't see anything that would lead me to believe they weren't as free as the rest of us...with less debt. Matter of fact, the only difference I noticed between Cuba and Mexico was they didn't stamp my passport. (in case I travelled to the US in the future).

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Damn communism , the sister of Zionism, created by the same evil one

Communism is also the reason for the biggest holocaust ever known to mankind. 

( DO watch : The secret behind Communism by Dr David Duke )

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10 hours ago, mosaks19 said:

Damn communism , the sister of Zionism, created by the same evil one

Communism is also the reason for the biggest holocaust ever known to mankind. 

( DO watch : The secret behind Communism by Dr David Duke )

 

This is not an issue of ideology

 

and if it were, I'd be careful referring folks to David Dukkkes

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4 hours ago, baradar_jackson said:

 

This is not an issue of ideology

 

and if it were, I'd be careful referring folks to David Dukkkes

He left the KKK long ago. He isn't racist. 

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